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Igel

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82. Wouldn't that mean hip-hop is pop?

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:27 PM

Jan 2013

My subject line strikes me as anomalous. Not all music that is popular, as opposed to fine arts, is "pop."

Argument from ignorance is a fallacy. But so is the etymological fallacy.

It's rather like "alternative rock." Once it was mainstream, it wasn't alternative. Kept the name. Just consider the phrase "alternative rock" to be lexicalized and the problem's solved.

In the case of the truncated "pop", the semantic range was markedly narrowed. Rather like "Democratic" with a capital D doesn't mean "one who advocates a democratic form of government" but "of or pertaining to the Democratic Party in the United States of America."

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If I were Prez I would do away with brass bands and Sousa. [View all] Whovian Jan 2013 OP

And risk as civil war?!? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #1

I find both your taste regrettable and your claim ridiculous. Your preference would be...? WinkyDink Jan 2013 #2

LOL. Sorry, Brass bands have one intention: Be loud. Whovian Jan 2013 #8

Did you play a brass instrument? I did: the trombone. And I played Sousa. And no, the sole intent WinkyDink Jan 2013 #13

Trumpet here. MadrasT Jan 2013 #30

You have my envy! I love the trumpet above all! "Cherry Pink and WinkyDink Jan 2013 #41

Not a brass player sdfernando Jan 2013 #52

um......nope...... dhill926 Jan 2013 #37

I'd say an electric guitar amplified is pretty fucking loud, wouldn't you? KittyWampus Jan 2013 #45

A double-stack Marshall cranked up to ELEVENTY!!!!!!!!!! Bake Jan 2013 #58

Try this on for size! erinlough Jan 2013 #70

Er. one needs to be "loud" to be heard in an open-air setting stopbush Jan 2013 #87

You are offensive to every one of us ... dballance Jan 2013 #92

More than regrettable 1983law Jan 2013 #16

I don't mind it. HappyMe Jan 2013 #3

90%? Really? The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #4

Do The Stroll? RKP5637 Jan 2013 #14

OMG, AWESOME! "Strolllllllll-in, strol-ol-ol-ol-ol-in,...."! WinkyDink Jan 2013 #24

So tell me, You sit around listening to band music in your leisure time? Whovian Jan 2013 #15

Look, you need to get off the ego trip of "we" and "90%." Not many people WinkyDink Jan 2013 #27

1st and 2nd Suites For Military Band, by Gustav Holst. Paladin Jan 2013 #34

I do listen to big band music. Oh, and there's some great dj's mixing with it too. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #47

I love it. Love tradition. TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #5

me too sad-cafe Jan 2013 #12

Where did the 90% estimate come from? RKP5637 Jan 2013 #6

Because in 60 years I have never heard "Cool! There's a Sousa Fest Nearby!" Whovian Jan 2013 #17

Yep! Quite true! Have to go waaaayyyy back before you and I were here! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #19

I'm 63, and this is a crock. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #39

I'm beyond that age. When Sousa was alive I believe there were many very popular RKP5637 Jan 2013 #46

Yet I've known plenty of people who like it in that context... NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #21

Fallacy. bayareamike Jan 2013 #35

You live in a narrowed world, one which doesn't grasp our musical heritage. Where I live, WinkyDink Jan 2013 #38

K&R !!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #48

Does a concert qualify? Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #51

I respectfully disagree Siwsan Jan 2013 #7

its good marching music, hollysmom Jan 2013 #9

Doesn't suck as much as Kelly Clarkson or Beyonce. alarimer Jan 2013 #10

You do know what the work "pop" is an abbreviation of, don't you? Bucky Jan 2013 #49

poop? bettyellen Jan 2013 #55

*mirror* Bucky Jan 2013 #60

I'm rubber, see..... bettyellen Jan 2013 #61

. Bucky Jan 2013 #67

HA! bettyellen Jan 2013 #83

Wouldn't that mean hip-hop is pop? Igel Jan 2013 #82

+1,000 duffyduff Jan 2013 #75

I didn't mind Beyonce so much Clarkson screeching at the top of her lungs...... tpsbmam Jan 2013 #81

It's tradition. I respect it. dmr Jan 2013 #11

Dependent on measure dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #18

wow. YOU speak for 90% of the American Public? Amazing. cali Jan 2013 #20

Tell that to the The Palm Springs High School marching band Brother Buzz Jan 2013 #22

How can you have a parade without marching bands?? narnian60 Jan 2013 #23

Same could be said for the Shriners Brother Buzz Jan 2013 #42

I love Sousa music! LeftofObama Jan 2013 #25

Sousa's "Stars and Stripes Forever" is my favorite patriotic song. kwassa Jan 2013 #26

Yep. I like the King Cotton March and the Liberty Bell the best. n/t duffyduff Jan 2013 #74

The Liberty Bell Art_from_Ark Jan 2013 #79

I know! kentauros Jan 2013 #28

Well, okay jberryhill Jan 2013 #29

I love Sousa and brass bands.... gblady Jan 2013 #31

I love the tradition of it. bayareamike Jan 2013 #32

Noooooooooooo!!! MadrasT Jan 2013 #33

Wow. I guess I stand corrected. Whovian Jan 2013 #36

it's war music, you lose :-) nt msongs Jan 2013 #40

Souza wrote marches. Igel Jan 2013 #85

I would much prefer the music of John Baptiste Philouza: Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2013 #43

Aww, I love Sousa! It's so perfect for our American Inaugural. CTyankee Jan 2013 #44

I think when you celebrate democracy, you have to celebrate all the parts of it Bucky Jan 2013 #50

My husband is from Wisconsin! We have a vacation home there, in Door County, which we CTyankee Jan 2013 #71

Thank god the president isn't you. I like John Philip Souza music. Great marching southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #53

Whew... boy did you peg this wrong... ReRe Jan 2013 #54

But I'm one of the rare who loves Bagpipes! Whovian Jan 2013 #56

I know a lot of people who love bagpipes, accordians too. bettyellen Jan 2013 #63

Some people even like -- gasp -- BANJOS!!!!! Bake Jan 2013 #76

Hey... I love bagpipes too! ReRe Jan 2013 #69

Bagpipes are one of my favorite musical instruments n/t duffyduff Jan 2013 #73

I love it. The 90% is your wishfull thinking. demosincebirth Jan 2013 #57

And this would be just one of many reasons that you would never be President, I think. onenote Jan 2013 #59

Is today the day you decided to just be miserable? GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #62

Oh boy another person with no musical whistler162 Jan 2013 #64

You must not go to many football games. Bake Jan 2013 #65

What next? Bagpipes? Hekate Jan 2013 #66

I love the marches. ellie Jan 2013 #68

Speak for yourself duffyduff Jan 2013 #72

Sousa was head of the Marine Band LeftInTX Jan 2013 #77

i rather enjoyed tuning in to the inauguration and hearing the Monty Python theme 0rganism Jan 2013 #78

OMG noooooooo!! Boooo!! grasswire Jan 2013 #80

I could play Sousa marches all day. pangaia Jan 2013 #84

Too bad for you. As a musician myself, I find Sousa to be great. stopbush Jan 2013 #86

90% SayWut Jan 2013 #88

I thought Sousa was in the Preamble Canuckistanian Jan 2013 #89

You are so wrong... Sancho Jan 2013 #90

Please do not speak for me because dballance Jan 2013 #91