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hfojvt

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76. admittedly, it has been almost a quarter century
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:38 PM
Jan 2013

since I studied Keynes in graduate school.

And as a young socialist, I did not put a lot of stock in Keynes anyway.

But wiki makes no mention of tax cuts as fiscal policy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics#Active_fiscal_policy

you know who consistently argued that tax cuts stimulate the economy?

George W. Bush

"My tax relief plan is a fair one, lowering the rate for all taxpayers. The typical family of four with two children will get $1,600 in tax relief. And the greatest benefits, the largest percentage reductions, will go to those who need them most. My plan is pro-growth. It gives our economy a jump-start by leaving more money in the hands of those who have earned it." Feb 17, 2001

"The tax relief is for everyone who pays income taxes -- and it will help our economy immediately: 92 million Americans will keep, this year, an average of almost $1,000 more of their own money. A family of four with an income of $40,000 would see their federal income taxes fall from $1,178 to $45 per year. (Applause.) Our plan will improve the bottom line for more than 23 million small businesses." Jan. 28, 2003

"We need tax relief that creates the greatest number of jobs. (Applause.) The goal is to create a million new jobs by the end of next year. I've submitted a good, strong plan that will help meet that goal. The United States Congress must not only listen to your voice, but must listen to the voice of somebody looking for work. We need aggressive action out of the United States Congress now." May 6, 2003


Who also kept saying that his tax cuts favored the middle class?

George W. Bush

"The President's tax plan provides relief for every income taxpayer; however, it gives the lowest income families the greatest percentage reduction. Indeed, higher income individuals will pay a higher share of income taxes after this plan takes effect. (See Chart 2–2.)" Feb. 28, 2001

Just like Obama, they NEVER publicly admit that their tax cuts favor the rich.

"My plan dramatically reduces the marginal rate on many low-income earners, rewarding overtime or a hard-won raise, encouraging Americans on their path to the middle class." Feb 8, 2001

"When you hear the debate about this kind of class warfare, rhetoric about, oh, this is for the rich, only for the rich -- I want you to think about the Joe Kempers of the world. I certainly will. A fellow who worked for our government, and now a fellow who we trust with that $3,500, because it's his money. And when he invests it, it's going to have a positive effect. All the Joe Kempers of the world taking that extra money and investing it will mean somebody else is likely to find a job, and that's important for our fellow Americans to understand." Feb 12, 2003

"Oh, you'll hear the talk about how this plan only helps the rich people. That's just typical Washington, D.C. political rhetoric, is what that is. That's just empty rhetoric. This plan for a family of four making $40,000 a year would see their tax bill go from $1,178 a year, to $45 a year." May 12, 2003


Oh, and when Obama made most of the Bush tax cuts permanent, doing so massively favored the wealthy, as I have mentioned before. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022130101

I loved the speech. Pisces Jan 2013 #1
The "takers" part stood out for me Renew Deal Jan 2013 #2
For me, too! panAmerican Jan 2013 #4
I soooo loved the last 2 sentences of this portion you posted. goblue316 Jan 2013 #24
Yes!!!!! tavalon Jan 2013 #94
far as I am concerned, his best speech ever! rurallib Jan 2013 #3
Absolutel brilliant speech Siwsan Jan 2013 #5
music to my ears: kpete Jan 2013 #8
I loved all but the foreshadowing upi402 Jan 2013 #6
He said reduce "health care" costs ecstatic Jan 2013 #14
Exactly, ecstatic.. no need to get Cha Jan 2013 #46
Certainly works for me. Always has. Hekate Jan 2013 #84
Heard the speech before, now I'd like action Myrina Jan 2013 #7
+1 forestpath Jan 2013 #10
Then ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #11
Only Obama can pick a Chief Justice who will prosecute corporate criminals. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #55
The Chief Justices doesn't prosecute cases ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #64
Sorry. I meant to say Attorney General. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #79
I figured that's what you meant ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #80
The evidence is there. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #92
When citizens in Occupy got involved virgo7 Jan 2013 #15
Hush now. tblue Jan 2013 #38
Are you not grasping parallels between today's protests and past (Seneca Falls, Selma, Stonewall? proverbialwisdom Jan 2013 #77
Today's protests? tblue Jan 2013 #87
"Outworn programs"? What does that mean? forestpath Jan 2013 #9
I suspect ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #12
Try reading the ENTIRE quote Glitterati Jan 2013 #18
I did read it. Your condescending defensiveness speaks for itself. forestpath Jan 2013 #19
Not the least bit defensive Glitterati Jan 2013 #23
It's funny how you told another poster this is a day to unite - when you forestpath Jan 2013 #25
What's that old saying...... Glitterati Jan 2013 #26
In other words, you couldn't answer my question so you resort to lame insults. forestpath Jan 2013 #27
There was no question Glitterati Jan 2013 #28
Funny, since you jumped all over me when I asked it. forestpath Jan 2013 #34
Asked and answered Glitterati Jan 2013 #35
All you did was take the opportunity to condescend. Another poster managed to answer me forestpath Jan 2013 #40
Excuse me.......all I did was paste a quote! Glitterati Jan 2013 #42
Oh, please. You posted personally to me in the same message, don't know why you'd deny it. forestpath Jan 2013 #43
Oh, jeeeezzzz! Glitterati Jan 2013 #44
'work harder' 'reach higher' = bootstrap stuff n/t leftstreet Jan 2013 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Son of Gob Jan 2013 #65
I'm sorry you ran into a nasty exchange when asking your question. Melinda Jan 2013 #32
Well said Melinda, thanks. xtraxritical Jan 2013 #53
Aww, thank you for the affirmation, xtracritical. I appreciate it very much. :-) Melinda Jan 2013 #72
I'm butting in here; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #66
You may very well be right. But just think how much more enjoyable DU could be if every question... Melinda Jan 2013 #71
I completely agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #73
Very good point! I completely agree. Politicub Jan 2013 #13
not really hfojvt Jan 2013 #16
^^THIS^^ Dawgs Jan 2013 #17
+1 forestpath Jan 2013 #20
This was an inaugural speech Glitterati Jan 2013 #21
that's all well and good hfojvt Jan 2013 #30
We will have to disagree Glitterati Jan 2013 #33
it might have been hfojvt Jan 2013 #39
I thought he made himself very clear Glitterati Jan 2013 #41
yes goblue316 Jan 2013 #31
It was an Inaugural speech, not a State of the Union address. pinto Jan 2013 #29
The 'State of the Union' speech will be next month on February 12th Tx4obama Jan 2013 #49
I am betting that speech will include something hfojvt Jan 2013 #54
Tax cuts for the "middle class" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #69
no, Keynesian economics involves government spending hfojvt Jan 2013 #74
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #75
admittedly, it has been almost a quarter century hfojvt Jan 2013 #76
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #78
of course they are stimulative hfojvt Jan 2013 #82
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #86
the difference is about a dimes worth hfojvt Jan 2013 #88
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #91
you seem to be missing some reading comprehension here hfojvt Jan 2013 #96
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #97
Yup RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #62
Actually the tax code is more progressive Son of Gob Jan 2013 #67
mouth frothing hatred hfojvt Jan 2013 #70
"Work harder"? Brickbat Jan 2013 #22
yeah that phrase stuck out too hfojvt Jan 2013 #37
"Learn more"? Son of Gob Jan 2013 #68
Some of that is very good: LWolf Jan 2013 #45
Whatever the President may want to do he still has this lame obstructionist RepubliCON Congress xtraxritical Jan 2013 #57
Of course. LWolf Jan 2013 #60
Thanks for the transcript. I teared up so many times I missed some of it. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #47
"...Seneca Falls, and Selma, and Stonewall..." Tx4obama Jan 2013 #48
I've waited a long time for a speech like this. santamargarita Jan 2013 #50
Yes, Thank you for posting.. absyntheminded Jan 2013 #51
The speech was great adieu Jan 2013 #52
President Obama is still working with an obstructionist Congress. xtraxritical Jan 2013 #58
Yes, I understand adieu Jan 2013 #59
There is no doubt that Obama gives great speeches, MadHound Jan 2013 #56
K&R ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #61
What A Beautiful Mosaic DallasNE Jan 2013 #63
K&R B Calm Jan 2013 #81
And we are loving it Hekate Jan 2013 #83
Spam deleted by cyberswede (MIR Team) sage advice Jan 2013 #85
Let 's get busy! Phentex Jan 2013 #89
It was a great speech. And not the thread to be shitting all over it. Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #90
Wow, we're citizens again! tavalon Jan 2013 #93
It's not a speech that people need Cal Carpenter Jan 2013 #95
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