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JoeyT

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290. I've outdone myself?

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 09:19 PM

Jan 2013

Someone demands the majority group be allowed to define not only what a minority is, but if it classifies as a minority?

I guess we should let white guys define what racism is, if we're going to let Christians insist atheists don't face oppression.

I notice you didn't actually address my point, other than to pull outrage out of your ass and declare victory. I kind of figured that was going to happen. I even gave you the benefit of the doubt and didn't laugh at you over googling "minority" until you found a definition you thought *might* let you exclude atheists.

I realize it's uncomfortable to acknowledge that your group is privileged, which is why there are a bunch of "How dare you say I'm a privileged white man, I've blah blah blah!!!" threads every time it gets brought up. Refusing to acknowledge privilege doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

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To those bemoaning the presence of the divine in the inauguration [View all] nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 OP

K & R. n/t FSogol Jan 2013 #1

You have to pick your battles Danmel Jan 2013 #2

I am willing to bet it was picked by Shumer nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #6

Speaking as an atheist, your post would have made much more sense djean111 Jan 2013 #3

I do not believe in god my dear nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #8

And I had not protested the inauguaration; djean111 Jan 2013 #32

Yes, but changes in ceremony nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #51

Actually ceremonies are EXACTLY the place many people choose to pick their battles! riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #66

^ ! ^ bvar22 Jan 2013 #96

Excellent points! RKP5637 Jan 2013 #150

+100!! im1013 Jan 2013 #153

+1000 Fumesucker Jan 2013 #181

To me, one counter point to all of the theology is found in Blanco's poem, because that is what patrice Jan 2013 #188

If not now when? I have every right to protest religion in goverment whenever.... Walk away Jan 2013 #228

That about sums it up for me amuse bouche Jan 2013 #243

Exactly. This isn't the time B.S amuse bouche Jan 2013 #247

yes often the symbolic weight is greater than the practical Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #359

'atheists are their own worst enemy'? SCantiGOP Jan 2013 #57

Yes because atheists and other nonbelievers should just shut up on a discussion board doncha know? riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #70

Militant Religious People. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #86

I was countering the declaration in the OP that informed me that I am my own worst enemy. djean111 Jan 2013 #116

I am with you on the you are your own "worst enemy" part of the op. It was wrong. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #120

Growing up non-Christian in the US makes identification of your worst enemies pretty simple Major Nikon Jan 2013 #124

+1 MNBrewer Jan 2013 #281

What's with the hostility toward people having a belief in a higher being? Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #339

I'll get back to you after I see if atheists have ever inflicted wars or crusades or inquisitions djean111 Jan 2013 #383

Obama has gone on a crusade? I missed that. When did that happen? Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #406

First, who decided to narrow the scope down to Obama? djean111 Jan 2013 #408

Minorities who don't know how to be quiet are their own worst enemies Fumesucker Jan 2013 #4

How dare anyone say anything about the insertion of religion into what should be a secular ceremony? riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #14

Poutrageous behavior Fumesucker Jan 2013 #19

And ON A DISCUSSION board no less!1!! How DARE anyone make a critique about the ceremony?! riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #37

Jeeeeez, you guys! Tradition! And stuff! Brickbat Jan 2013 #197

It's Obama's ceremony. He believes in a higher being. R-e-s-p-e-c-t. Period. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #340

No, it is the people's celebration Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #379

presence of the divine? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #5

Yeah, but the order followed the same order nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #9

Thats ceremony NoOneMan Jan 2013 #10

This is tradition nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #12

Im not arguing with you about that NoOneMan Jan 2013 #16

I am sure for some that is exactly what you witnessed nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #21

Un-American you suggest? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #35

At this point in our history taking leave from all that nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #36

So "Americanism" is being a fearful hostage to your nuts? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #41

Well a civil war is not out of the realm of possibility nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #43

If not mentioning "God" would create a war and plunge a country into crisis, NoOneMan Jan 2013 #44

You realize Fort Sumpter was not the beginning of the civil war nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #48

I don't think you get what I am saying NoOneMan Jan 2013 #50

A few people wrote similar lines nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #53

And on the other end of the neo-liberal slippery slope, NoOneMan Jan 2013 #58

For starters, that word (neoliberal) does not mean what you think nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #115

As far as I was aware, NoOneMan Jan 2013 #147

Yes, they are center right nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #151

You do realize you are in the minority don't you? zeemike Jan 2013 #179

How do you know what I am? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #184

Well that is how democracy works zeemike Jan 2013 #240

Democracy is God's name is mentioned or people start killing people? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #250

I said that? zeemike Jan 2013 #260

That is what the majority of this subthread is about NoOneMan Jan 2013 #267

The thread you are replying on was started by someone kicking the minority Fumesucker Jan 2013 #206

Well you missed my point then. zeemike Jan 2013 #232

It was a few comments on a discussion board, that's what we do here, we discuss things Fumesucker Jan 2013 #237

Well I admit I am not as aware of all of the drama going on zeemike Jan 2013 #248

You've been here long enough to have a clue how this place works Fumesucker Jan 2013 #253

Oh yes I know....I have gotten into it before. zeemike Jan 2013 #264

Kind of the flip side of the real world isn't it? Fumesucker Jan 2013 #272

Is that what it is like out there? zeemike Jan 2013 #309

Here's how it feels for me Fumesucker Jan 2013 #313

While I'll grant you that most of America is religious... MessiahRp Jan 2013 #317

Well I would agree with that. zeemike Jan 2013 #333

In the wake of the first bombs falling on Afghanistan in November 2001, I was heartened coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #215

She meant "reference to the divine", I'm sure. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #13

Words have meanings... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #20

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #94

No, I don't know her and I'm not a mind-reader yet NoOneMan Jan 2013 #113

WOW. An almost perfect re-statement of post #70 ^, bvar22 Jan 2013 #111

I have had bowel movements that were religious experiences. nt. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #67

Every bowel movement can be the most religious experience NoOneMan Jan 2013 #73

Some need a reason to feel sour and bitter today. MineralMan Jan 2013 #7

Well said. Skidmore Jan 2013 #127

K&R !!! RKP5637 Jan 2013 #155

Possibly your best post ever. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #11

kestral, enlightenment Jan 2013 #28

Disappointed to see I consider christofascists and rabid atheists as essentially the same? kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #76

so you are ok with prayer in school too, right? Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #92

I didn't say it deprived me of anything. enlightenment Jan 2013 #121

I don't think the benediction took away anyone's rights, alp227 Jan 2013 #148

Well, at least you used the traditional adjective, rabid Fumesucker Jan 2013 #218

Oh, and please direct me to your prior posts where you complained about the benedictions in kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #77

I can't - enlightenment Jan 2013 #123

Tradition! JoeyT Jan 2013 #159

Oh I disagree amuse bouche Jan 2013 #249

Totally agree. nt Raine Jan 2013 #15

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #17

Comprehensively epic win. WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #18

Replace "atheist" with black. jeff47 Jan 2013 #45

yes but it was epic and a win! Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #72

Thank you. nt Pale Blue Dot Jan 2013 #178

stupid, there are/were laws preventing gays, women, blacks etc from getting rights JI7 Jan 2013 #235

If you ignore facts, history and common sense it's all perfectly reasonable. Number23 Jan 2013 #242

Yes, there are still laws out there preventing atheists from holding office riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #255

so why not post about those laws and ask something be done about them JI7 Jan 2013 #258

Here's a link to a list of states that have those laws riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #265

that article said the ATheist will take office regardless of the bigoted state laws JI7 Jan 2013 #268

Post #235, you asked "are there laws which ban an atheist from holding office ?" riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #275

this started off because of comparisons to blacks, gays, women being denied rights JI7 Jan 2013 #279

This link right here is 50 times more powerful than all of the emotional froth Number23 Jan 2013 #289

I believe there's links to Wiki as well. I simply pulled up the first one that caught my eye that riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #291

Yes, there are laws which ban an atheist from holding office. jeff47 Jan 2013 #266

i don't understand the point of your 2nd paragraph JI7 Jan 2013 #271

Post #235, you asked "are there laws which ban an atheist from holding office ?" riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #277

are you saying the 2nd paragraph prevents atheists from holding office ? JI7 Jan 2013 #280

I will wait for Jeff to explain his post. I simply was addressing the goalpost moving nt riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #295

there was no moving of the goalpost since the original point still stands and the arguments are JI7 Jan 2013 #307

That's probably because you seem to think freedom of religion isn't a right. jeff47 Jan 2013 #298

so you don't think same sex marriage is a right ? what does it matter if/when it was included JI7 Jan 2013 #304

You aren't this dumb. jeff47 Jan 2013 #321

i'm not ignoring anything. and i don't support the 2nd amendment JI7 Jan 2013 #323

.....why are you bringing up the second amendment? jeff47 Jan 2013 #330

i'm not ignoring any right, you aren't forced to pray at the inauguration , you don't have to take JI7 Jan 2013 #341

Actually, you were jeff47 Jan 2013 #351

there is no place where i said we didn't have freedom of religion, i'm an atheist JI7 Jan 2013 #353

Very good post. HappyMe Jan 2013 #22

To those bemoaning gun violence... cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #23

Hi to you too!!!! nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #25

I know nothing of the sort. cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #39

Whatever dude nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #42

I love when people try to deny what they just wrote. cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #47

Once again, proceed. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #49

Brilliantly put. trotsky Jan 2013 #63

If I could "Rec" this I would. GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #107

+1 n/t zappaman Jan 2013 #241

Yep amuse bouche Jan 2013 #251

pretty much nailed it to the wall Kali Jan 2013 #372

Well said. GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #88

Yeah, the seats at the back of the bus still go to the same place! jeff47 Jan 2013 #24

I find it highly ironic that the main argument for religion in the inauguration forestpath Jan 2013 #26

It isn't Major Nikon Jan 2013 #128

No kidding amuse bouche Jan 2013 #256

There are people in our 'big tent' whining about this? The Straight Story Jan 2013 #27

So....forced prayer is designed to expand our "big tent"? jeff47 Jan 2013 #56

Someone forced you to pray? Who?? The Straight Story Jan 2013 #60

If this were a school assembly would you get why it was wrong? Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #74

Phew! Good thing you dodged the hard part with a quibble on terminology!! jeff47 Jan 2013 #145

Accurate points, on the other hand... davidthegnome Jan 2013 #29

If history is condescension, so be it nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #30

As a strident atheist alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #31

I agree. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #34

And plenty of strident feminists jeff47 Jan 2013 #40

News Flash! LiberalElite Jan 2013 #64

So true - Thank you. GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #110

that`s best explanation i have read today madrchsod Jan 2013 #82

It's just so mid-century leftstreet Jan 2013 #33

I don't subscribe to, nor believe in any religion, and I agree with you. Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2013 #38

I am not religious at all ellie Jan 2013 #46

I didn't listen to them closely, but I thought they seemed pretty neutral, anyway, I thought similar, RKP5637 Jan 2013 #166

"When the Tao is absent, ritual arises." Lao-Tse Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2013 #52

I quit listening to fairy tales long ago so will never believe in a sky daddy but libtodeath Jan 2013 #54

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #55

Who's picking a fight? Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #134

Perhaps I read a different DU nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #149

As an Atheist I didn't mind... Taverner Jan 2013 #59

Separation of Church and State isn't "bemoaning" just1voice Jan 2013 #61

The President is allowed to publicly recognize his faith. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #93

Only if you view an inauguration as a private event. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #95

No it is not. Obama can state his Christian beliefs freely. nt. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #104

I know why it exists. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #117

Are we allowed to have personal opinions on DU? LiberalElite Jan 2013 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author DearHeart Jan 2013 #371

You're supposed to run them by nadinbrzezinski first Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #402

Excellent post, agree 100%. MicaelS Jan 2013 #65

K&R Carolina Jan 2013 #68

it is obama`s vision of america based on his belief madrchsod Jan 2013 #69

There's more than one variety of delicate flower out there, the meare presence of different flowers patrice Jan 2013 #71

Times change, people evolve, and a shout-out to ignorance is no longer needed or appropriate Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #75

... and disrespect will earn you nothing but association with others who are disrespectful too. & patrice Jan 2013 #81

Should I also pretend Palin is not ignorant, or is that a truth it is okay to say? Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #142

Is Palin at the inauguration today? Weren't you referring to thousands of people who like to pray patrice Jan 2013 #180

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #78

Not sure why your bold part matters. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #97

it clearly lays out the rule: no prayers in government functions. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #103

What you are saying is not accurate. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #106

Are you claiming private/parochial schools are government functions? (nt) jeff47 Jan 2013 #203

Don't think your reply was meant for me. Nt NCTraveler Jan 2013 #327

No, it was. jeff47 Jan 2013 #329

The poster was wrong. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #331

Except your quote says it's only legal at private or parochial schools. jeff47 Jan 2013 #336

I am not sure why, but I am still not following you. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #380

I'm an Atheist.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #79

I'll go with the tradition stuff but not your last sentence. GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #80

Tradition. Good word, that summed up my feelings in one word. I let the religious RKP5637 Jan 2013 #83

Divine was there??? whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #84

Now that would truly be a miracle! n/t zappaman Jan 2013 #90

Not the correct Devine. rhett o rick Jan 2013 #183

Lol! n/t whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #214

Bible...Schmible PossumSqueezins Jan 2013 #85

Got me! bvar22 Jan 2013 #101

^^^____^^^^ winah nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #118

I liked the inauguration. riverbendviewgal Jan 2013 #87

the presence of the divine in the inauguration AlbertCat Jan 2013 #89

In plain English, so you get it. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #125

Is that plain enough to you? AlbertCat Jan 2013 #222

Have fun stormin' that castle nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #224

Have fun stormin' that castle AlbertCat Jan 2013 #226

Hi...see you are annoyed nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #229

"You can trash the thread, easy peachy..." zappaman Jan 2013 #244

troll AlbertCat Jan 2013 #363

Now this is what I call a funny nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #365

Nancy Reagan's astrologer directed the country marions ghost Jan 2013 #407

A re-post of some anti-Atheist chain mail screed, MindPilot Jan 2013 #91

False equivalency: Blacks and gays have no choice in the matter, they are born that way Fumesucker Jan 2013 #98

^^^Nice! MindPilot Jan 2013 #105

Those facts don't change anything stupidicus Jan 2013 #99

You have watched an inauguration, it followed the normal pattern. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #126

which again, is meaningless stupidicus Jan 2013 #187

While DUers don't like to admit it, telling atheists to shut up is more common than you'd think riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #190

that sums it up nicely stupidicus Jan 2013 #274

Which is nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #191

I agree, rightwingnuts don't have a monopoly on the ability to exaggerate stupidicus Jan 2013 #294

Good bye nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #296

thanks for tacitly conceding the validity of my observations and accompanying remarks stupidicus Jan 2013 #300

Belated welcome to DU! riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #311

thanks stupidicus Jan 2013 #342

Welcome to the best "iggy" list on DU zappaman Jan 2013 #370

The solution was to turn the volume off...... DainBramaged Jan 2013 #100

I don't have a problem with including the divine. LWolf Jan 2013 #102

Well, the battle hymn is a patriotic song nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #129

Archbishop Demetrios delivered the Benediction after the Luncheon... nenagh Jan 2013 #139

Please Understand, the West Has Lost the Mystery of the Metaphor mckara Jan 2013 #108

Sounds a lot like certain "arguments" against gun control phantom power Jan 2013 #109

I love the second same false equivalency in the morning. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #131

The perpetuation of belief in myth is killing us broadcaster75201 Jan 2013 #112

This s not the place for the battle. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #122

The battle should be fought on every front Major Nikon Jan 2013 #133

Good luck in changing a tradition nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #137

I just see that as an anti-progressive argument Major Nikon Jan 2013 #338

He had the usual in any inaugural nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #343

I'm not telling you we should get rid of anything Major Nikon Jan 2013 #344

I think it has nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #345

And yet nothing in the mainstream Major Nikon Jan 2013 #350

The media rarely speaks of this. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #352

Actually I'd prefer a more European attitude Major Nikon Jan 2013 #357

Then wait a generation nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #360

Funny how mankind has grown just fine Union Scribe Jan 2013 #346

"in its entire history it has never, ever been free of the beliefs you so loathe"? greyl Jan 2013 #361

Feel free to name any place or point in human history Union Scribe Jan 2013 #373

I just roll my eyes amuse bouche Jan 2013 #114

I for one find comfort in rolling my eyes at my nation's leaders Fumesucker Jan 2013 #119

I love this president. I camapigned for him amuse bouche Jan 2013 #194

So we should not raise a voice in protest at the over-the-top religious crap because Amerika has People b4 profits Jan 2013 #130

It had no more or less prayer nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #135

"Oh and" yes, atheists are and can be their own worst enemies. Serious." Not a Fan Jan 2013 #132

Welcome to DU nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #143

Welcome Not a Fan Jan 2013 #207

Welcome lurker nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #209

As an Athiest, frankly, I could care less. nt Javaman Jan 2013 #136

Agreed, wrong place for that battle. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #138

Is there some point ot this collection of logical fallacies? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #140

Yes. The point is to marginalize non-believers. MindPilot Jan 2013 #158

Could have left this part out. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #141

I'm not religious and I totally agree with you. CanonRay Jan 2013 #144

Congratulations Nadine, you have the most popular divisive thread of this inaugural afternoon Fumesucker Jan 2013 #146

SCORE! After all, that was her goal. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #189

Oh good. Another "Shut it, stupid minorities!" post. JoeyT Jan 2013 #152

Speak as much as you want nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #154

Yes, except people make the exact same arguments you did against both of those. JoeyT Jan 2013 #160

Start where you will make the most difference nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #163

Yes, an atheist that makes the exact same arguments as Christians JoeyT Jan 2013 #174

Funny, prayer does not belong in public schools nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #175

Traditionally it was legal to murder one of my race. JoeyT Jan 2013 #195

And my point is that this battle is not picked nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #196

When, exactly, should this battle be picked? jeff47 Jan 2013 #198

In post 51, Nadin tells us that ceremonies are NOT the place to pick a battle. At least now atheists riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #185

There are hundreds of pending lawsuits over prayer at the municipal level. MindPilot Jan 2013 #173

Well said! Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #156

Atheists are minorities? Number23 Jan 2013 #201

Do you have another term for 20% of the population? (nt) jeff47 Jan 2013 #208

How about calling them "20% of the population"? Number23 Jan 2013 #211

Minority has no skin color requirement. jeff47 Jan 2013 #217

Skin color is only one component of being a minority Number23 Jan 2013 #219

You don't think it applies when all 5 of your quoted criteria apply? jeff47 Jan 2013 #234

Wow. Truly a case of someone seeing what they want to see Number23 Jan 2013 #238

Perhaps when you manage to figure out that your first sentence is completely contradictory jeff47 Jan 2013 #262

The three of you doing the "atheists are minorities" argument are something Number23 Jan 2013 #284

If that was true, you wouldn't have so much trouble answering the question jeff47 Jan 2013 #315

Your own definition betrays your reasoning Major Nikon Jan 2013 #362

"suggests" Number23 Jan 2013 #369

Which "suggests" your opinion is very poorly supported Major Nikon Jan 2013 #376

If you believe that one, yes ONE, study conducted in 2006 Number23 Jan 2013 #377

I'm already convinced Major Nikon Jan 2013 #378

I posted the link because of the five criteria that is used in academic circles to define Number23 Jan 2013 #387

All five applied Major Nikon Jan 2013 #388

One, possibly two of the criteria applied Number23 Jan 2013 #390

That's your opinion which you have not supported with anything other than subterfuge Major Nikon Jan 2013 #392

So atheism is now a culture, not a belief Number23 Jan 2013 #393

It seems the more you get backed into a corner, the snarkier you get Major Nikon Jan 2013 #395

So bored with this. The five criteria say it all Number23 Jan 2013 #396

So what exactly is your argument? Major Nikon Jan 2013 #398

You don't even know what strawmen or subterfuge are Number23 Jan 2013 #404

You still haven't made an argument Major Nikon Jan 2013 #405

Physical OR cultural traits. Secularism is a cultural trait. Definition applies. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #236

The Civil Rights Act doesn't define what is and is not a minority Number23 Jan 2013 #239

What percentage of the population are atheists? JoeyT Jan 2013 #216

Being a minority is not only about being a small member or group of a population Number23 Jan 2013 #221

Which of those don't atheists meet? JoeyT Jan 2013 #254

Wow. You've outdone yourself Number23 Jan 2013 #270

I've outdone myself? JoeyT Jan 2013 #290

I don't need to Google what a minority is. I AM a minority Number23 Jan 2013 #292

You are the one shouting, that normally indicated "hysteria" Fumesucker Jan 2013 #302

You again? You should rename yourself The Interjector Number23 Jan 2013 #306

Online typing caps is considered shouting, I'm sure you know that by now Fumesucker Jan 2013 #308

Atheist white man? JoeyT Jan 2013 #303

You started the argument. My first entry was to ask you were atheists minorities Number23 Jan 2013 #310

We likely disagree less than it would seem. JoeyT Jan 2013 #318

Too bad cooler heads couldn't have prevailed in the beginning because I'm pretty much done now Number23 Jan 2013 #320

Gods are mans worst invention bowens43 Jan 2013 #157

But the Inaugural is not the place to fight that fight nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #161

The battle has to be won on the ground before it can go to Washington Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #170

You risk the child who cried wolf syndrome. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #172

That's a lot of adverbs on adjectives, subject changes, and condescension you're gonna get. Festivito Jan 2013 #162

My apologies my good sir, for I wrote English nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #164

Enjoy that nice straw man BlueStreak Jan 2013 #165

Alas my good sir nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #167

this atheist agrees with you Duppers Jan 2013 #168

I'm a non-believer, and I don't mind. JohnnyRingo Jan 2013 #169

Yup, it's about some. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #171

This is officially a secular country. alarimer Jan 2013 #176

A few nations have fought civil wars over that point. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #177

To those lamely justifying turning the inauguration into a fucking church service longship Jan 2013 #182

Well, this had no more or less God than nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #186

Jesus! (So to speak) longship Jan 2013 #192

The Mexican model works too nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #193

I am really sorry, Nadine. longship Jan 2013 #199

You want to change it nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #202

Small steps, my dear friend. longship Jan 2013 #212

Why up thread I gave the example of Rosa Parks. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #223

^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^ +1000000000000000 Coyotl Jan 2013 #288

Just a note of fact: The Oath orginally did not contain "SO HELP ME GOD" that was an add on by diabeticman Jan 2013 #200

Oh that's all historical and stuff... riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #204

It's been there ever since, right? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #205

Actually, no. It's still not there. jeff47 Jan 2013 #210

Uh, NO, its NOT in the Constitution! riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #213

Same sort of logic used to justify the right wing's stance on gay marriage, etc. RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #220

I recommend you read how that battle has been fought nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #225

A comment on a discussion board is a "frontal attack"? Fumesucker Jan 2013 #233

Really. Atheists are treated to some of the shittiest push back, even on DU. This is a discussion bd riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #259

I agree. It's ridiculous over-reaction. Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #276

I wonder why that is. Union Scribe Jan 2013 #349

Nobody's been told they're idiots for their beliefs, except atheists who've expressed an OPINION riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #386

I have no problem with the presence of the Divine at the inauguration. Kalidurga Jan 2013 #227

^^^__^^^ next thread winah. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #230

I would say, " get over it!" demosincebirth Jan 2013 #231

Well, the imagined presence of the divine. nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #245

Just know this is not the place for that fight nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #246

Not fighting. Just telling the truth. nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #252

Says who...the divine? amuse bouche Jan 2013 #257

What divine? Sorry if the usage of language more in step nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #261

Like the NRA amuse bouche Jan 2013 #263

Oh you misunderstand. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #269

No I didn't misunderstand. amuse bouche Jan 2013 #282

I suggest you trash the thread nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #285

Lol amuse bouche Jan 2013 #312

Funny how it never, ever is the place for that fight. Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #273

That *WAS* a good place nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #283

just...... whatever dude. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #278

That delusion "presence of the divine" will give way to reason with maturity Coyotl Jan 2013 #286

Fight it where you can have an effect nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #287

I find it endearing Laochtine Jan 2013 #293

No matter what "battle" atheists pick, it's never the right battle. Evoman Jan 2013 #297

I have no issues on battles nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #299

Frontal attacks don't work? Strategic? Evoman Jan 2013 #305

Oh dear amuse bouche Jan 2013 #314

Yup, why the civil right movement nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #322

Honestly, I could care less about your inaugurals. Evoman Jan 2013 #324

So why post about it? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #325

Geez, no need to get offended. My response is not infantile. Evoman Jan 2013 #337

Yup amuse bouche Jan 2013 #328

Lol Union Scribe Jan 2013 #347

Well, what would you do if you were atheist and felt excluded and marginalized? Evoman Jan 2013 #356

Everyone is excluded from something. Union Scribe Jan 2013 #358

A good response to prejudice is to just accept it? Evoman Jan 2013 #364

Yes, that's exactly what I said. Union Scribe Jan 2013 #374

Are you saying that that's what I'm doing? Evoman Jan 2013 #375

man, evoman, that was *right on* Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #367

If a public school forced students to recite the Lords Prayer, knock yourself out. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #368

Ah, yes... it's tradition, so we shouldn't even discuss it kdmorris Jan 2013 #301

It's hilarious amuse bouche Jan 2013 #316

And shut up kdmorris Jan 2013 #319

Well that goes without saying amuse bouche Jan 2013 #326

Yep. Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #401

I find some atheists just as annoying as religious fanatics cherish44 Jan 2013 #332

And yet here you are clicking on a thread about religion Fumesucker Jan 2013 #334

I tried to start a thread about my cat's tapeworm and it sunk like a stone cherish44 Jan 2013 #381

I think threads like this are ample enough proof of what you say. nt Union Scribe Jan 2013 #348

so do i , and i'm an atheist JI7 Jan 2013 #355

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #366

It's like you've never seen "Fiddler on the Roof" or something. Brickbat Jan 2013 #335

"the presence of the divine in the inauguration" presumes that religious activities are ladjf Jan 2013 #354

We have separation of state because we have freedom of religion. They go hand in hand. appleannie1 Jan 2013 #382

I'm not the least bit religious, but level of twisting of knickers SpartanDem Jan 2013 #384

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #385

"Mexico, fought a few bloody civil wars over it" Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #389

Well, you could try reading nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #391

Burn Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #399

Well, good bye. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #400

God bye to you too Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #403

Here we are again, the majority telling the minority to fuck off, you can't change it anyway. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #394

Ah, but the "divine" probably wasn't present and maybe doesn't even exist. redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #397

Has anyone suggested bringing suit against the administration sylvi Jan 2013 #409