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jeff47

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27. Again, there are two parts of what I said
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:47 PM
Jan 2013

The first part is his statements at the time don't match. But even if you ignore those because you don't trust the witnesses, there's the second problem: He didn't leak anything showing any new 'bad' behavior.

If his goal was to show bad behavior, you'd think he'd have actually leaked something that showed bad behavior. Instead, we find out that we know Castro's favorite ice cream.

Do you realize how many foreign countries we have sold those things to? Get real.

We don't have to sell our optics with the rest of the helicopter. For example, we've sold lots of F-15s and F-16s. We have sold zero computers for F-15 and F-16s....or at least 0 of the version we use.

And again, I don't know if anything in Apache optics is classified. It's an example of the additional information that was leaked by Manning that most people won't immediately see. The fact that we hear "bang", some time passes, and then we see bullets hit means we know just how far that helicopter was looking, and just what they can resolve at that distance. It's not obvious to most viewers that the video leaks this information.

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Care to give examples? ecstatic Jan 2013 #1
Never heard of this "Manning" fellow? jeff47 Jan 2013 #5
It is hard to see Private Manning . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #16
Unfortunately, his motivation was edited after the fact. jeff47 Jan 2013 #21
If you mean . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #24
Again, there are two parts of what I said jeff47 Jan 2013 #27
I saw twelve innocent human beings . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #29
And that wasn't new. jeff47 Jan 2013 #37
"Here's the thing: People die in wars." micraphone Jan 2013 #45
War is extra-judicial. jeff47 Jan 2013 #50
Who's side in this class war are you on? nm rhett o rick Jan 2013 #53
Oh crap. You ran out of talking points. jeff47 Jan 2013 #55
Try to convince you that Manning's threat to the status-quo rhett o rick Jan 2013 #58
So...you stand with the guy who released....nothing? jeff47 Jan 2013 #60
You say... ljm2002 Jan 2013 #61
Leaking isn't declassification jeff47 Jan 2013 #63
"Leaking isn't declassification"... ljm2002 Jan 2013 #65
It's short and accurate jeff47 Jan 2013 #67
Just a few counterpoints to some of yours LiberalLovinLug Jan 2013 #71
You're having a lot of trouble wrapping your head around the fact that this incident was legal. jeff47 Jan 2013 #73
Manning hasn't been convicted or sentenced BainsBane Jan 2013 #56
Depends who you ask. jeff47 Jan 2013 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author ecstatic Jan 2013 #59
Jeremy Hammond and possibly Barrett Brown. Swartz and Manning already having been mentioned. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #39
Aaron Swartz marble falls Jan 2013 #52
Yes. alarimer Jan 2013 #2
Don't forget the guys who brought down the global economy not getting arrested, while Squinch Jan 2013 #3
Hear! Hear! another_liberal Jan 2013 #19
Not to mention all of the people who lost their homes to foreclosure based on the.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #32
Anonymous has a very keen sense of justice Skittles Jan 2013 #4
+ a zillion roguevalley Jan 2013 #11
Hell... they hound some of them to fucking death! ReRe Jan 2013 #6
I agree fully that punishments should be reasonable and equitable. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #7
I will never side against people speaking truth to power. tblue Jan 2013 #8
I'm with you. mbperrin Jan 2013 #9
me three Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #15
plus a gazillion. There is a story on the home page about church men hiding child rape roguevalley Jan 2013 #10
The system is broken, really broken. Neither party seems to want to fix it. DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #12
It's not broken. It works very well. Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #13
Look at the list below. Are these not issues for you too? DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #14
I think jackpine meant that the system serves only truth2power Jan 2013 #17
Hmmm...some of that list is pure BS EX500rider Jan 2013 #26
Wow. That is shocking. smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #35
I stand by what I said. Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #48
I'm pretty sure that I was agreeing with you. DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #66
I just wanted to make the point that the apparent "failures" Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #68
You're preaching to the choir, but pointing these things out or even speaking of them DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #69
Why link the two . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #18
Whoosh! Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #20
"Sayin' it. . ." another_liberal Jan 2013 #22
Two for two. The link was not between internet activists and rapists. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #23
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #25
Batting 1.000. Both of my parents were psychologists and my girlfriend wrote on Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #28
Yep . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #31
What game are YOU playing and how have you managed to survive this long? nt. OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #33
No games here . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #34
The tweet didn't make that link. Everybody but you understands that. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #40
It's not a "link"; it's a "comparison" King_Klonopin Jan 2013 #47
You need to brush up on your reading comprehension. Marrah_G Jan 2013 #51
Yes. Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2013 #30
Not only that RoccoR5955 Jan 2013 #36
State kidnapping, like state murder, is popular in the US. Vattel Jan 2013 #38
A very dirty GOP world if we don't stop them asap. Thank you for everything you do for us, Anon judesedit Jan 2013 #41
Uh the DOJ is under the President's purview. If he wanted things to truedelphi Jan 2013 #44
Answer to question about "what kind of world are we leaving for our kids?" truedelphi Jan 2013 #42
When a dope smoker is getting a longer sentence than a drunk driver who kills - that's cray-cray! VPStoltz Jan 2013 #43
Why yes. Yes I do. meegbear Jan 2013 #46
Love them mtasselin Jan 2013 #49
When people dispensing state legalized medical marijuana get sentenced rhett o rick Jan 2013 #54
Justice is dead in America. 99Forever Jan 2013 #62
A million "moon" march is needed! mntleo2 Jan 2013 #64
Absolutely. Thank God for Anonymous and friends. We'd really be screwed without them. judesedit Jan 2013 #70
Be careful Anonymous. They are trying to find you big-time I am sure. Thanks for all of us. judesedit Jan 2013 #72
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