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AtheistCrusader

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85. Pardon me for knowing how internet firearms transfers work.

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 02:22 PM

Jan 2013

If it crosses state lines, yes, it must go through an FFL, or someone is breaking the law. Stevie Wonder's apparent point is that it is not illegal for him to purchase a firearm. So, this is completely uninteresting to this thread. Yes, it is possible someone could buy a gun online illegally without it going through an FFL, just like it is possible to buy a gun, in some cases, from a dealer without a proper background check. In both cases, a law was broken. Actually, several. Some of them felonies.

The BATFE does monitor online sales for this reason, and monitoring them is pretty easy to do. (keeping tabs on gunbroker and whatnot)

A lot of that 75% comes from smaller dealers, either used directly by the purchaser in a new crime, or transferred to a criminal by the purchaser. It can also be lost or stolen. Guns do get stolen. They are small, high value, and easy to move, so they are priority targets right up there with jewelry and electronics.

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Stevie Wonder says he will go buy a gun to show the ridiculousness of the laws!! [View all] okaawhatever Jan 2013 OP

I had to rec this just for Stevie's music. He made my early years just a bit more bearable. Systematic Chaos Jan 2013 #1

Please let there be video of Stevie making his purchase! muntrv Jan 2013 #2

It would be a long video - At least 20 minutes for actually buying the gun plus another segment... slackmaster Jan 2013 #15

Not at a gun show. nt awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #18

No, because he lives in California it would be exactly the same at a gun show. slackmaster Jan 2013 #20

How about next door in Nevada?... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #24

A California resident cannot legally buy a gun in any other state... slackmaster Jan 2013 #26

I didn't know that... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #27

I think the laws in California are stricter than they need to be. Some of them seem to be there... slackmaster Jan 2013 #30

I think we all can agree, though... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #32

Yes, in fact I do agree on background checks on all sales. The present system doesn't allow it. slackmaster Jan 2013 #33

Make it a requirement for gun dealers... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #42

It is already the law for gun dealers to run checks, whether it's at a gun show or elsewhere Kennah Jan 2013 #111

What I mean is that... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #131

I'm good with that Kennah Jan 2013 #142

That is probably a better idea... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #143

This message was self-deleted by its author williamc1967txlib Jan 2013 #55

nobody has to even show an ID in AZ, so...a cali resident can go next door or to craigslist farminator3000 Jan 2013 #61

Why would he go all the way to Idaho or Arizona to make an illegal purchase, when he could easily... slackmaster Jan 2013 #62

you should have said 'a cali resident can buy a gun in MANY other states' farminator3000 Jan 2013 #63

Because the point is what can and cannot be done LEGALLY, which is the real topic of this thread. slackmaster Jan 2013 #64

yes, the point is what can be done legally is bad enough to allow 40% of sales illegally farminator3000 Jan 2013 #65

The context of the discussion is what can be done legally in California by a California resident. slackmaster Jan 2013 #66

the point is it would only be slightly harder for him in CA than VA farminator3000 Jan 2013 #67

Buying a firearm in California is more than twice as much hassle as it is in Virginia. slackmaster Jan 2013 #81

twice as much as zero is still zero farminator3000 Jan 2013 #118

You are very persistent in conflating legal transactions with unlawful ones slackmaster Jan 2013 #121

you're good at ignoring everything i post farminator3000 Jan 2013 #122

That last sets my teeth on edge. Benton D Struckcheon Jan 2013 #134

I think anyone who thinks the police must necessarily be better armed than the general public... slackmaster Jan 2013 #136

No, it's just common sense. Benton D Struckcheon Jan 2013 #140

Wonder what the response would be if he shows up at a shooting range? LeftInTX Jan 2013 #3

Hehe. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #25

Someone would probably help him. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #68

Target shooting for blind people is a Paralympic event hack89 Jan 2013 #4

Well dang, now it's not nearly as funny, but I think it's awesome theres a okaawhatever Jan 2013 #5

Blind people play many sports that might surprise you. I knew a blind guy who slaughtered on the Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #56

And believe it or not, some states allow the blind to hunt. n/t RebelOne Jan 2013 #80

if you read stats on how most people use guns in the home, he can't be any worse. yurbud Jan 2013 #6

Reminds me of this Ray Charles joke: yurbud Jan 2013 #7

Ray can shoot! aikoaiko Jan 2013 #10

wow--I can't believe I set that up for you. yurbud Jan 2013 #11

And for those who don't know... the devil Jan 2013 #49

It is hard not to love. yurbud Jan 2013 #54

This scene was the first thing that I though of when I saw the post. EOM BigAnth Jan 2013 #115

Kay and Are! MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Jan 2013 #9

As long as he's not a member of a prohibited class of people, he has every right to buy one slackmaster Jan 2013 #12

Or he could just go to Arizona and buy one of the street from anyone. He can buy a Barrett 50 cal okaawhatever Jan 2013 #19

He could not do that legally slackmaster Jan 2013 #21

california has nothing to do with it, really farminator3000 Jan 2013 #73

There are blind people who target shoot obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #75

yes, but they don't usually walk into wal marts and buy guns farminator3000 Jan 2013 #78

But they legally can obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #137

they only can since the year 2000 (bottom link) farminator3000 Jan 2013 #139

Nonsense. slackmaster Jan 2013 #79

you are inventing a subject that has nothing to do with the OP farminator3000 Jan 2013 #86

You're jumping all over the place here. In your last post in this sub-thread you wrote about buying slackmaster Jan 2013 #87

you are the one stuck in CA, which has no bearing whatsover farminator3000 Jan 2013 #94

Not at a Wal Mart, and not legally slackmaster Jan 2013 #95

and again, look at the chart farminator3000 Jan 2013 #100

People break laws, so your solution is more laws? slackmaster Jan 2013 #103

worked for drunk driving and smoking, didn't it? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #107

He may have SAID he can buy a gun easily, but he hasn't DEMONSTRATED that he can do so. slackmaster Jan 2013 #110

no, i demonsrated how easy it is for him to buy one, and you refuse to admit it farminator3000 Jan 2013 #112

You showed how a person might acquire a firearm ILLEGALLY. slackmaster Jan 2013 #113

and 40% of guns are bought illegally. in reality. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #116

Hey slackmaster. DevonRex Jan 2013 #88

A real gun safe is far superior to any kind of movable trigger lock slackmaster Jan 2013 #89

Thanks. DevonRex Jan 2013 #93

Trigger locks actually suck obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #138

He can probably get a concealed-carry permit, too krispos42 Jan 2013 #13

I doubt that he could pass the California shooting test with his vision slackmaster Jan 2013 #14

I think I would be legally blind without my glasses or contacts krispos42 Jan 2013 #36

I am legally blind in one eye with or without correction. The other corrects to 20/20. slackmaster Jan 2013 #38

I'm 36, and I've had bad eyes since middle school krispos42 Jan 2013 #45

He could get them online, too. freshwest Jan 2013 #16

Yes, but that doesn't relieve him of any of the obstacles I describe in reply #12 slackmaster Jan 2013 #17

It sounds like a good first step then is for all states to adopt CA laws. pnwmom Jan 2013 #39

Slim to none in most states. Ditto on getting CA-style laws passed in Congress. slackmaster Jan 2013 #43

Zero in Washington. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #70

No different than if he went to a local gun store. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #69

it is completely different farminator3000 Jan 2013 #74

Internet sellers will not ship a firearm to a non-licensee in another state slackmaster Jan 2013 #82

see #90 farminator3000 Jan 2013 #91

There's nothing wrong with the law, then. slackmaster Jan 2013 #92

'enforcement problem' is stock NRA doo-doo farminator3000 Jan 2013 #96

Please don't falsely attribute words to me slackmaster Jan 2013 #98

well what does this mean, then farminator3000 Jan 2013 #104

thank you Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #102

Pardon me for knowing how internet firearms transfers work. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #85

that sounds like how you WISH they'd work. or you're just wrong farminator3000 Jan 2013 #90

What are you even talking about? AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #101

your completely false statement that buying a gun on the internet is the same as at a store farminator3000 Jan 2013 #117

Uh, you didn't post one goddamn thing that is contrary to my statement. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #120

yes, i did, you didn't look hard enough. or at all? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #123

Have you looked in your local newspaper? It's called the Classified Ads. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #124

great. so the BATF should start buying every gun in every ad in the country and melting them farminator3000 Jan 2013 #128

That's illegal. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #130

someone should arrest these cops then-Police destroy guns bought in buyback program farminator3000 Jan 2013 #132

If they broke the law, well, sucks for them. They should be prosecuted. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #133

why would a bunch of cops announce in the newspaper they were breaking a law??? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #135

I have the same issue with Gun Buybacks by the police in general. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #144

they have potential farminator3000 Jan 2013 #145

That Arizona buyback is highly unusual. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #146

getting less unusual, i hope... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #147

Precisely the point. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #22

I need a link! Hot shit! nt babylonsister Jan 2013 #23

LOL Anyone remember this? proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #28

So now people with physical disabilities can't own guns? I don't think he sees the real issue, here. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #29

He collects cars. Oprah Winfrey gave him a Rolls Royce in about 2004. slackmaster Jan 2013 #31

So then there's no problem with him collecting guns. Someone else can shoot them. nt OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #41

I agree completely. slackmaster Jan 2013 #44

I agree Jarhead1775 Jan 2013 #48

Or someone can assist him. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #71

Buy it, sure, use it is a different story snooper2 Jan 2013 #59

no, you are trying to deflect from the issue he is raising farminator3000 Jan 2013 #77

A California resident cannot buy a gun any time they want, almost anywhere, LEGALLY. slackmaster Jan 2013 #83

again, see#116 farminator3000 Jan 2013 #119

I obviously understand reply #113 a whole lot better than you do slackmaster Jan 2013 #125

#116. whatever. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #129

Anybody can get heroin too. Ashgrey77 Jan 2013 #127

No, not always actually. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #126

Wow I love him! stuntcat Jan 2013 #34

It's that vision thing people have, it happens in one's own mind nolabels Jan 2013 #35

I love that guy! another_liberal Jan 2013 #37

It will be very educational for a lot of people, if he documents his experience honestly. slackmaster Jan 2013 #40

Yes, it will. another_liberal Jan 2013 #47

Once upon a time, he was "Little Stevie Wonder" Samantha Jan 2013 #46

Lol! grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #50

Is he saying that he shouldn't own a gun? xoom Jan 2013 #51

I'm assuming that is his position. nt okaawhatever Jan 2013 #52

I believe he's going to find that the laws are indeed ridiculous, but not for the reasons he thinks. slackmaster Jan 2013 #58

I'm impressed by the number of people yucking it up on the confirmation bias in this thread AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #72

The time Little Stevie Wonder spent with Don Rickles is paying off Brother Buzz Jan 2013 #53

Stevie was the first person who organized me into something political who was outside my family. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #57

Here's the interview with Piers Morgan. slackmaster Jan 2013 #60

Right after he gets his new car. DeSwiss Jan 2013 #76

Guns For The Sight-Impaired Is A Perennial Gun Militant Cause. Paladin Jan 2013 #84

Einstein was right. valerief Jan 2013 #106

Woo hoo, love you, Stevie! Great idea. nt valerief Jan 2013 #97

He won't go through with it. slackmaster Jan 2013 #99

Sounds like Ray Charles when he crashed his Corvette duffyduff Jan 2013 #105

Is there a blind celebrity in a red state? ecstatic Jan 2013 #108

He'll just have to get a laser site.... Historic NY Jan 2013 #109

In Kansas, the Republican controlled legislature deliberately removed the tblue37 Jan 2013 #114

He should do target practice with Ted Nugent Generic Brad Jan 2013 #141