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Playinghardball

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Tue Jan 22, 2013, 02:47 PM Jan 2013

‘Population Bomb’ scientist: ‘Nobody’ has the right to ‘as many children as they want’ [View all]

Stanford professor and author of the Population Bomb recently published a paper in a scientific journal re-emphasizing climate change and population growth pose existential threats to humanity and in an interview with Raw Story said that giving people the right to have as many children as they want is “a bad idea.”

“The only criticism we’ve had on the paper is that it’s too optimistic,” said Paul Ehrlich, Bing professor of population studies at Stanford University and president of the Center for Conservation Biology. “You can’t negotiate with nature.”

The study, published the Proceedings of the Royal Society B journal earlier this month says that climate change is “driven by overpopulation, overconsumption of natural resources and the use of unnecessarily environmentally damaging technologies and socio-economic-political arrangements to service Homo sapiens‘ aggregate consumption.”

“Overall, careful analysis of the prospects does not provide much confidence that technology will save us or that gross domestic product can be disengaged from resource use,” the paper continued. The way to stop this is to “stop treating population growth as a ‘given’ and consider the nutritional, health and social benefits of humanely ending growth well below nine billion and starting a slow decline. This would be a monumental task, considering the momentum of population growth. Monumental, but not impossible if the political will could be generated globally to give full rights, education and opportunities to women, and provide all sexually active human beings with modern contraception and backup abortion.”

“Giving people the right to have as many people as many children that they want is, I think, a bad idea,” Ehrlich told Raw Story. “It’s not giving people the right to have as many children as they want, it’s giving people the right to control their reproduction so that they don’t have so many children that their children’s and grandchildren’s lives are in danger.”

“Nobody, in my view, has the right to have 12 children or even three unless the second pregnancy is twins,” Ehrlich continued. “That may be a hard-nosed view, but if you look at the entire situation, it’s crystal clear if we keep the populations of the rich growing, then the poor aren’t going to have a chance, and eventually, the descendants of the rich aren’t going to have a chance either.”


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/22/population-bomb-scientist-nobody-has-the-right-to-as-many-children-as-they-want/

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I absolutely agree. And, it seems that much of the tradition of baby making... NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #1
+1 get the red out Jan 2013 #6
I have thought that it was all about church coffers. LiberalAndProud Jan 2013 #8
I think much more of the pressure comes from a lack of education and entrenched poverty LanternWaste Jan 2013 #48
The Quiverfull Movement should be considered a Terrorist Org Taverner Jan 2013 #52
And what would he have happen to someone who has "too many" children? bluestateguy Jan 2013 #2
Well, the children's children of these people could be punished with starvation, no resources... ck4829 Jan 2013 #3
Damn it! Phlem Jan 2013 #19
OK, what do you think should be done then? ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #36
Education and free contraceptives ck4829 Jan 2013 #37
I support those two things. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #44
No one is asking to force sterilization Taverner Jan 2013 #51
“Nobody, in my view, has the right to have 12 children or even three unless the second pregnancy..." ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #56
The Duggars are clearly selfish and using their religion to excuse that Taverner Jan 2013 #61
There will come a point where we will all starve due to overpopulation. randome Jan 2013 #5
The answer is not hard to figure out: birth control. In other words, having fewer babies. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #23
Birth control is the #1 answer along with family planning... sheshe2 Jan 2013 #27
TAX the crap out of them! kooljerk666 Jan 2013 #10
Get a clue librabear Jan 2013 #15
World population has gotten to the point beyond choice, now it's become a full-on responsibility to Dont call me Shirley Jan 2013 #18
just remember dhol82 Jan 2013 #32
That's what the rich don't get. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #4
Garrett Hardin has been right all along.... mike_c Jan 2013 #7
Very informative reading! Wind Dancer Jan 2013 #58
lol, just saw the typo in the title.... mike_c Jan 2013 #62
The first place to point the finger Aerows Jan 2013 #9
I'd go with poverty and lack of education first. Xithras Jan 2013 #13
of course your both right. Phlem Jan 2013 #20
Many poor countries have lots of children for the same reason... TreasonousBastard Jan 2013 #38
Make excessive breeding undesirable through media/social pressure. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #11
"All of them?" No. Unitarians and traditional Protestant groups like JDPriestly Jan 2013 #24
Virtually all modern environmental problems are the result of overpopulation. Xithras Jan 2013 #12
me and some groovy cats and chicks had a rap session about ecology and the population bomb datasuspect Jan 2013 #14
SCHEDULING DATASUSPECT FOR ASS KICKING Skittles Jan 2013 #34
Bob Barker will HappyMe Jan 2013 #16
I don't know about actually setting the number, although China has, but if you care about the world' judesedit Jan 2013 #17
Civil Sustainability Requires Population Control triplepoint Jan 2013 #21
Bookmarking this post for your response. Thanks for the videos. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #25
Why do people still listen to this guy? Loudestlib Jan 2013 #22
+1 leftstreet Jan 2013 #29
The Romney's are a perfect example... sheshe2 Jan 2013 #26
Paul Ehrlich has been adieu Jan 2013 #28
If you don't approve of families with more than 2 children, then don't have more than 2 children! Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #30
Fortunately I think the population bomb is diffusing itself already... Silent3 Jan 2013 #46
Had I been older and wiser, I probably would have only had one child Marrah_G Jan 2013 #31
Did my duty PasadenaTrudy Jan 2013 #33
stuff too many goldfish into a goldfish bowl and see what happens. bubbayugga Jan 2013 #35
Of course people have that right. That's the problem Recursion Jan 2013 #39
Voluntary 2 kid limit, Or at least end the tax credits for kids. grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #40
There are some misguided comments possiblylogical Jan 2013 #41
If you bring people out of poverty they will have less children. CJCRANE Jan 2013 #42
True. possiblylogical Jan 2013 #47
could I sell someone my right to have one or two children? dsc Jan 2013 #43
Excellent idea! bunnies Jan 2013 #59
It would be nice dsc Jan 2013 #60
This is non-issue in the industrialized world joeglow3 Jan 2013 #45
using imaginary rights to argue against inevitable and natural consequences is simply not relevant. LanternWaste Jan 2013 #49
AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN!!!!!! A FUCKING MEN!!!!! Taverner Jan 2013 #50
How many wrong predictions does Ehrlich have to make before people start ignoring him ? n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #53
I remember screaming about this when there were half as many people as today Coyotl Jan 2013 #54
At some point I could see repubs getting behind this idea onenote Jan 2013 #55
Sorry - gotta disagree. EVERYONE has the RIGHT to have as many children as they want. pnwest Jan 2013 #57
I don't mind people having a lot of children, as long as they can afford to take care of them. Luciferous Jan 2013 #63
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