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farminator3000

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89. yep, that article is kind of an eye-opener
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:27 PM
Jan 2013

surprisingly well written for a 'non' reporter...

i won't get started on the prison-industrial complex, but-

The declining prison population is a sign of a dramatic decrease in Florida’s overall crime rate, which peaked in 1991, but has declined by more than half since then, according to analysis by Florida State University’s College of Criminology and Criminal Justice.

“The primary driver of the drop in crime in Florida over the last 20 years seemed to be the increasing incarceration rate,” said Bill Bales, head of FSU’s Center for Criminology and Public Policy Research. “It doesn’t seem to be economics. It’s not the level of police presence. It’s not demographics.
http://fcir.org/2012/08/03/floridas-prison-population-declines-for-the-first-time-in-28-years/

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the CDC has it's flaws, of course, but i think the NRA has ulterior motives in blocking (and creating) gun laws-
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/15/nras_threats_over_gun_buyback_tied_to_alec_legislation/

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The Tiahrt Amendments, named for their original sponsor, U.S. Representative Todd Tiahrt (R-KS), are provisions attached to federal spending bills that make it harder for law enforcement officers to aggressively pursue criminals who buy and sell illegal guns. Since it was formed in 2006, Mayors Against Illegal Guns has been fighting to reform the Tiahrt Amendments.

In 2007, hundreds of mayors joined with 30 national and state law enforcement organizations to wage a campaign against the Tiahrt restrictions. The campaign's efforts helped to defeat proposals that would have made the restrictions even worse, and also secured certain improvements to the Tiahrt amendments in the FY 2008 appropriations bill. In 2009, mayors and police chiefs successfully pushed revisions to the Tiahrt language in the FY 2010 appropriations bill, which restored full access to crime gun trace data for state and local law enforcement.

Read the May 7, 2009 Statement of the Mayors Against Illegal Guns Co-Chairs on the Tiahrt reforms in the FY 2010 appropriations bill

While the changes made in 2007 and 2009 are a step in the right direction, many of the anti-police provisions in the Amendments remain in place. For example, the Tiahrt provisions still block ATF from requiring gun dealers to conduct inventory checks to detect loss and theft, which law enforcement says is a dangerous back channel source for criminals who are in the market for illegal guns.
http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/federal/tiahrt.shtml

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it is really the gun MAKERS fault more than anything about new safety technology:
But gun-industry and gun-owner groups, including the NRA, are not fond of the idea. The New York Times' Nick Bilton explained why:

“These safety options exist today. This is not Buck Rogers type of stuff," said Robert J. Spitzer, a professor of political science at SUNY Cortland and the author of four books on gun policy.

But gun advocates are staunchly against these technologies, partly because so many guns are bought not in gun shops, but in private sales. “Many guns are bought and sold on the secondary market without background checks, and that kind of sale would be inhibited with fingerprinting-safety technologies in guns,” he said.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/biden-smart-gun-control-technology-violence-task-force-obama-2013-1

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i doubt you could be fired for having a gun in your car, or be required to admit it.
especially if you had a federal permit.

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i think suing gun makers would have discouraged them from making millions of bushmasters in the last 10 years.

this is interesting-
Make guns smart
By Jeremy Shane, Special to CNN
Editor's note: Jeremy Shane, who served in the Justice Department during the George H.W. Bush administration, has led ventures in online media, energy and education.
How might this work? Start with locational "self-awareness." Guns should know where they are and if another gun is nearby. Global positioning systems can meet most of the need, refining a gun's location to the building level, even within buildings. Control of the gun would remain in the hand of the person carrying it, but the ability to fire multiple shots in crowded areas or when no other guns are present would be limited by software that understands where the gun is being used.

Guns should also be designed to sense where they are being aimed. Artificial vision and optical sensing technology can be adapted from military and medical communities. Sensory data can be used by built-in software to disable firing if the gun is pointed at a child or someone holding a child.

Building software into guns need not affect gun owners' desire to protect their homes. Trigger control software could be relaxed when the gun is at home or in a car, while other safety features stay on to prevent accidental discharges. Guns used by the police would be exempt from such controls.

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nothing is perfect, but this is a good idea, too-

This laser engraving is etched on both the projectile and the inside of the cartridge casing. Each code will be common to a single box of cartridges and unique from all other ammunition sold. The unique ACS codes will be tracked and records maintained to identify individual ammunition purchases. The ACS technology will provide a method for law enforcement personnel to trace ammunition purchases and link bullets and cartridge cases found at crime scenes to the initial retail ammunition purchaser. This system will not necessarily prove who pulled the trigger, but it will provide law enforcement with a valuable lead and a starting point to quickly begin their investigations. The design of the ACS laser engraving system will allow law enforcement personnel to identify the bullet code in cases where as little as 20% of the bullet base remains intact after recovery. Since bullets are designed to keep the base solid and in its original configuration, the likelihood of ACS codes remaining legible after recovery is very high. Law enforcement testing has already shown a 99% success rate in identifying the ACS code after bullet recovery.
http://www.ammocoding.com/



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"Guns don't kill people" has been around since the invention of guns. Initech Jan 2013 #1
As Charlton Heston said: SCantiGOP Jan 2013 #37
Well, Chuck finally got those "cold, dead hands" he kept blathering about! 11 Bravo Jan 2013 #51
Neither does just about anything else jberryhill Jan 2013 #2
thank you n/t DemocratsForProgress Jan 2013 #10
Which is why ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #15
Oh, but we do. Heidi Jan 2013 #20
So to follow the analogy all the way ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #23
It's not an analogy. It's a rebuttal to your assertion that those items aren't regulated. (nt) Heidi Jan 2013 #30
It was jberryhill's analogy ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #31
"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have baseball bats." or "only have baseball bats...." vanbean Jan 2013 #3
Or maybe steak knives or rocks? Whovian Jan 2013 #4
Or a board with a nail in it! SwankyXomb Jan 2013 #6
Is there any other device that is designed specifically to kill people? loyalsister Jan 2013 #5
Interesting question. ... spin Jan 2013 #8
What? Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #9
The question was ... spin Jan 2013 #13
One difference between a gun and a sword is the ability to run away from a sword. A Simple Game Jan 2013 #17
Most criminals can't hit the broad side of a barn with a gun. ... spin Jan 2013 #69
I was looking for something manufactured in today's world. loyalsister Jan 2013 #71
Swords are still manufactured in today's world. ... spin Jan 2013 #83
LOL loyalsister Jan 2013 #84
You keep refining your question. ... spin Jan 2013 #85
It's true.. I have been loyalsister Jan 2013 #87
I've enjoyed target shooting handguns for over 40 years ... spin Jan 2013 #88
Disco Music? jberryhill Jan 2013 #11
ha! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #22
weapons of war? more accurate, but sounds a little dramatic... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #80
Guns don't kill people, Gun Owners® kill people LeftInTX Jan 2013 #7
It will probably get worse. StarryNite Jan 2013 #12
I agree. That scares me and I am a gun owner who has enjoyed target shooting ... spin Jan 2013 #16
Great post. Thanks. Whovian Jan 2013 #18
nice to hear a responsible voice! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #24
Your first link was to an unusually fair and honest report on Florida gun owners. ... spin Jan 2013 #82
yep, that article is kind of an eye-opener farminator3000 Jan 2013 #89
Thanks for your words of wisdom, we have to stop the assaults on our citizens Thinkingabout Jan 2013 #54
The past 30 years would argue otherwise hack89 Jan 2013 #19
they'd also argue it has NOTHING to do with more guns farminator3000 Jan 2013 #25
So when you have some actual facts let me know. hack89 Jan 2013 #27
a think a general overview is enough to back up the FACT farminator3000 Jan 2013 #29
So you can actually demonstrate a steady increase in gun deaths? hack89 Jan 2013 #33
i can state as a fact that they are way too high and have gone up since the AWB was lifted farminator3000 Jan 2013 #34
So murders down drastically with rate cut in half. hack89 Jan 2013 #35
if you want to call 280 less murders a "drastic" reduction, go ahead, but that makes no sense farminator3000 Jan 2013 #39
How much did the population increase in that 20 years? There is a reason we focus on rates. hack89 Jan 2013 #40
they were flying off the shelf because weirdos were hoarding them farminator3000 Jan 2013 #45
So more assualt weapons did not actually lead to more killings? hack89 Jan 2013 #48
There was a drop in firearm murders of 1450 from 2006 to 2010 alone hack89 Jan 2013 #41
like i keep telling you, that is because of DOCTORS not MORe GUNZ farminator3000 Jan 2013 #46
Besides the FBI saying that aggravated assaults are down? nt hack89 Jan 2013 #50
did they happen to tell you why? maybe call them up and ask. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #53
Does it matter - as long as fewer people are being shot hack89 Jan 2013 #56
more people are being shot is what matters, obviously. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #58
Not if aggravated assaults are down. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #61
so 160,000 assaults sounds about right to you? you're good with 438.4 assaults A DAY? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #67
We have reduced the rate of aggravated assaults by 60% hack89 Jan 2013 #70
aggravated assault means all of them, not just ones with guns. you keep cherry picking farminator3000 Jan 2013 #72
"the lowest rate since 2004" hack89 Jan 2013 #74
great, getting shot is okay as long as the doctors can save you farminator3000 Jan 2013 #76
I live in a very safe town - danger has nothing to do with why I own guns hack89 Jan 2013 #77
then why are you so stubborn that guns make you safer? how would you even know? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #79
I am not safer because of guns hack89 Jan 2013 #81
If you figure there was 1 gun used in each death, 32,163 firearms used out of 270,000,000 isnt that xoom Jan 2013 #86
i bet medical tech is key arely staircase Jan 2013 #28
The flaw in that analysis is that aggravated assaults are not up hack89 Jan 2013 #36
that would not be consistent with my thesis (based on a hunch), no. arely staircase Jan 2013 #38
why would someone believe you when you don't post a number or link? you are not an expert farminator3000 Jan 2013 #43
I have posted the FBI crime reports many times hack89 Jan 2013 #44
and proved zilcho farminator3000 Jan 2013 #47
Besides aggravated assaults going down, you mean. hack89 Jan 2013 #49
so aggravated assaults are going down because less a-holes have guns farminator3000 Jan 2013 #52
But fewer aggravated assaults mean fewer people being shot. hack89 Jan 2013 #55
no, suicide and murder are up, so not really at all. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #57
Murder is down hack89 Jan 2013 #60
stop nitpicking annual death total=up. rate ~ the same. amount of guns=way too many farminator3000 Jan 2013 #62
Those numbers are not homicide deaths. hack89 Jan 2013 #64
again with the 1993 thing farminator3000 Jan 2013 #66
I just showed you a decline every year from 2006 to 2010 hack89 Jan 2013 #68
yes, for the 12th time, homicides are down because of DOCTORS farminator3000 Jan 2013 #73
You just showed me that aggravated assaults with guns are the lowest in years hack89 Jan 2013 #75
no, you just read bad. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #78
It was invented back before they were nuts. JoeyT Jan 2013 #14
i think 'the ONLY thing that stops a bad guy' is even dumber. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #21
I wouldn't mind that phrase if they also offered a solution to people who kill people with guns Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #26
Guns don't kill people, crazy gun owners kill people. goblue316 Jan 2013 #32
I have exercised my fingers many times and no one died from it. Also never saw report reading Thinkingabout Jan 2013 #65
I understand that "guns don't kill people" was originally used as a safety mantra taught by okaawhatever Jan 2013 #42
As far as I'm concerned wryter2000 Jan 2013 #59
Why do these guns keep killing people....why? ileus Jan 2013 #63
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