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OwnedByCats

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84. Well said

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 03:25 PM

Jan 2013

I happen to believe in a higher power as a choice for myself and I do not expect others to believe what I do. But it's hard for me to understand the outrage because if I happen to be at a ceremony that does not mention God at all, it doesn't offend me. Tolerance is important in a diverse society. I understand the whole "seperation of church and state", but my ancestors came to America from the UK so they could practice whatever religion they wanted without persecution - and when I say persecution, I mean people were killed for their religious beliefs. The monarchy would decide to force their people to begin believing in a different religion from the one they've known - or suffer greatly if they refused. The vision for America was to get away from all that, people could worship freely, or not worship anything.

People were killed back then. Getting upset over a few religious words at an inauguration (or no religious mention if it ever happens in the future) seems awfully silly to me.

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Insulting Invocation [View all] garthranzz Jan 2013 OP

I missed it - what actually was said that was offensive? nt el_bryanto Jan 2013 #1

Religion was acknowledged at the Inauguration of a Christian President. Surely we all should be ... 11 Bravo Jan 2013 #79

Well, we knew some folks would find some stain or other alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #2

So it's ok for a religious invocation garthranzz Jan 2013 #4

Maybe you missed the following passage..... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #36

Why do you think that there are no "holy and right" Moslems, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews or atheists? onenote Jan 2013 #77

I think that's kind of funny. MADem Jan 2013 #99

How do YOU enjoy amuse bouche Jan 2013 #13

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!11`1 jpak Jan 2013 #3

Specific quotes? The minister is from a gay-affirming church, btw Hekate Jan 2013 #5

Read carefully, please garthranzz Jan 2013 #17

The invocation was from a woman. That woman is NOT a minister. MADem Jan 2013 #100

So you amuse bouche Jan 2013 #26

The 'invocation' was given by Myrlie Evers-Williams, not a minister. Tx4obama Jan 2013 #89

I think I amended myself in a later post Hekate Jan 2013 #90

I agree amuse bouche Jan 2013 #6

As a non-believer, I didn't feel that way at all. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #7

Well I guess it wasn't so bad because we all are still here today. You need to relax. No matter southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #8

let's just say I'm glad I didn't watch one moment quinnox Jan 2013 #9

Could you please quote what was so offensive? dballance Jan 2013 #10

For me amuse bouche Jan 2013 #18

I Can't Find That Phrase in any Transcript dballance Jan 2013 #29

"What inaugural were you watching?" amuse bouche Jan 2013 #33

You are acting like a troll and just trying to stir stuff - you are hopeless /eom dballance Jan 2013 #47

That's right amuse bouche Jan 2013 #55

I don't see any point at which we disagreed. You presented BS evidence and I pointed it out. dballance Jan 2013 #59

Oh well then amuse bouche Jan 2013 #66

Except that WAS NEVER SAID. So, what's creepy is saying it was said. DevonRex Jan 2013 #71

Consider yourself left out. Bake Jan 2013 #86

Is this the invocation you're talking about? lynne Jan 2013 #11

Funny, when I pulled the transcript those words were missing. peace13 Jan 2013 #22

I, too, see that as an inclusive reference - lynne Jan 2013 #27

Oh right, this Christian woman and icon of the Civil Rights movement hath offended by including... Hekate Jan 2013 #25

+1 freshwest Jan 2013 #109

The one by Myrlie Evers-Williams? sadbear Jan 2013 #12

I'm not a religious person at all and saw nothing offensive about it. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #14

Chuck Schumer, a Jew, didn't find it offensive frazzled Jan 2013 #43

I've had similar conversations with Jewish friends over the years. I've always wondered if they were Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #48

As a Jew (though a fairly lapsed one, in terms of formal involvement) ... frazzled Jan 2013 #57

I am 100% congruent with your experiences/feelings PCIntern Jan 2013 #73

Thank you for sharing this. Very interesting and enlightening. :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #74

As a Jew, my take on things like this is and has been as follows: onenote Jan 2013 #76

I'm betting no one mentioned to you that Christ was a Jew...that might have made the whole exercise MADem Jan 2013 #102

Of course I knew that frazzled Jan 2013 #105

I suppose one way to look at it might be in an "Anastasia" fashion... MADem Jan 2013 #106

Christmas trees are popular in Japan, too. It's all about the Santa hats! And the GIFTS! nt MADem Jan 2013 #101

Yeah, I noticed that. :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #107

I am a spiritualist/atheist .. and I did not find anything offensive. srican69 Jan 2013 #15

How about you enjoy your pills amuse bouche Jan 2013 #20

listen .. its vital that we all develop tolerance before we can ask that from others... srican69 Jan 2013 #31

I agree. If we are asking believers to be more tolerant of people who don't believe... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #50

That's your opinion amuse bouche Jan 2013 #54

That may then be the fundamental problem... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #72

My opinion is that you make a terrible representative of progressive thought. onenote Jan 2013 #78

Don't give a crap amuse bouche Jan 2013 #80

Thus proving that you are no progressive. onenote Jan 2013 #82

You are the non progressive amuse bouche Jan 2013 #83

If promoting Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., the Berrigans, the Kennedys, etc. makes me a bigot, onenote Jan 2013 #85

Well said OwnedByCats Jan 2013 #84

Myrlie was a personal pick of POTUS, too. She is not a minister, she's a citizen. I guess citizens MADem Jan 2013 #103

Here are the words...where does she mention Jesus or even god. Blessing can come from all. peace13 Jan 2013 #16

huh, I would say "Almighty" and asking them for guidance in the text is a pretty clear and blatant quinnox Jan 2013 #19

How does that insult leftynyc Jan 2013 #24

I was answering the post above quinnox Jan 2013 #28

I'm not sure what the beef of the OP leftynyc Jan 2013 #37

I can't speak for them quinnox Jan 2013 #42

Even if Atheist are a small minority... peace13 Jan 2013 #38

Then say that but be aware.. peace13 Jan 2013 #32

Of course it was a reference to a deity. MineralMan Jan 2013 #45

Agree leftynyc Jan 2013 #56

holy roller gibberish datasuspect Jan 2013 #21

So gagalicious amuse bouche Jan 2013 #30

garthranzz amuse bouche Jan 2013 #23

Thank you garthranzz Jan 2013 #58

The cliques are now gathering amuse bouche Jan 2013 #68

Myrlie Evers-Williams didn't say anything offensive IMHO. Are_grits_groceries Jan 2013 #34

Amen to your post goclark Jan 2013 #41

That about sums it up. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #49

Please, what an obvious troll comment. Pisces Jan 2013 #35

+1. . . .n/t annabanana Jan 2013 #39

A lot of that going around. countingbluecars Jan 2013 #51

Transcript of the "Insult" NCTraveler Jan 2013 #40

Oh for the love of Derp. WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #44

+1 n/t union_maid Jan 2013 #53

Wikipedia page for Myrlie Evers-Williams NCTraveler Jan 2013 #46

oh for pete's sake.. chillfactor Jan 2013 #52

Ahh amuse bouche Jan 2013 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Jan 2013 #60

You mentioned nothing specific that you found objectionable. randome Jan 2013 #61

I thought it was great. bemildred Jan 2013 #62

Your concern is noted. Please feel free to share more of your concerns, and enjoy your stay. Damn, msanthrope Jan 2013 #63

I'm an Einstein fan too amuse bouche Jan 2013 #69

Dude. I am an atheist. You preach to the choir. nt msanthrope Jan 2013 #70

The only thing wrong with the invocation was that she called Obama qanda Jan 2013 #64

Atheist butthurt overload (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #65

I can't for the life of me figure out how being blessed can be an insult. nolabear Jan 2013 #75

Blessed? amuse bouche Jan 2013 #81

You're the one making the assumption that that is what's meant. nolabear Jan 2013 #94

No, I'm not making any assumption amuse bouche Jan 2013 #96

amazing. nolabear Jan 2013 #98

I've heard Obama reference God OwnedByCats Jan 2013 #87

i get an image of someone doing a search looking for ways to be offended JI7 Jan 2013 #88

My favorite part... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #92

It was a line by the Rev. Luis Leon that made me sit up ipaint Jan 2013 #91

That's the royal "we" that dude is using. MADem Jan 2013 #104

Okay so the Invocation given by the African-American woman BlueIndyBlue Jan 2013 #93

That's funny I just loved that last line of her invocation. Loved it for the expansive poetry of Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #95

This post is offensive nt NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #97

i liked it and i am hindu culturally and an atheist intellectually La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2013 #108