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74. It just occurred to me: we have to consider the possibility that what calls itself "the Left" didn't

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:00 PM

Jan 2013

step up for this filibuster reform vote, so, instead of Reid killing a vote because it was going to succeed (which is what I was thinking), maybe he killed it because it wasn't going to succeed.

Why wouldn't what calls itself "the Left" step up and phone-lobby for a talking filibuster? Hypothesis: what calls itself "the Left" REALLY does contain more Right Wingers than I previously thought and all of the research publishing about their tendencies toward terrorism lately has them in a vengeance frame of mind - AND - MoveOn + Tea Party marriage is bearing fruit. Labor organizers I have known do not like MoveOn and, now, we might note the migration OUT of unions we're hearing about. I also used to do peace stuff with MoveOn, until righties/Paulites started getting on that band-wagon and I have felt for a while that MoveOn will break hard right against anyone but the old AFLCIO guard, inheritors of Nixon's benediction, and especially hard right against anything coming from the SEIU and IWW.

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Damn Defeatism and Doomsaying! [View all] MineralMan Jan 2013 OP

More: Not everyone who claims to be progressive or liberal is. MineralMan Jan 2013 #1

Kinda disagree, after we lost Ted Kennedy, the senate has been gridlocked. LeftInTX Jan 2013 #2

And yet, things got done. Sorry, but I'm not buying it. MineralMan Jan 2013 #3

Things got done in the first two years CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #68

What a post! MineralMan Jan 2013 #70

Or GingrichCare CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #91

Yup. Indeed, a lot is getting done. woo me with science Jan 2013 #93

Thank you! And thanks for the links. CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #94

Shhh. tblue Jan 2013 #81

Thanks for your CONCERN. nt. OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #89

I am concerned, even if you aren't. CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #92

No, you're just another Obama-hater. Good luck while you're here. nt. OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #95

Disagreeing with disagreeable policy CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #103

For a little over 4 months, there were 60 Senators... SidDithers Jan 2013 #18

giving the dems 60 votes counting the one from Sanders and the one from LIEberman madokie Jan 2013 #59

Not to mention ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #65

thanks, in my haste I'd forgotten them madokie Jan 2013 #67

Sorry. You're 100% right... SidDithers Jan 2013 #73

No problem madokie Jan 2013 #85

I don't like it, but I have to support Harry on this. longship Jan 2013 #4

Thank you n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #6

Yes. I was surprised to see Barbara Boxer and Diane MineralMan Jan 2013 #7

As do I disagree. longship Jan 2013 #9

Yes, that's true. Realism has always MineralMan Jan 2013 #10

But ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #16

Should the Republicans ever get control of the Senate, dont count on them remembering rhett o rick Jan 2013 #27

You should't "feel" like you were betrayed. russspeakeasy Jan 2013 #31

I choose to not project into the future here. longship Jan 2013 #44

I understand and appreciate your optimism, but if the patient is bleeding rhett o rick Jan 2013 #50

Or Democratic Senators that realize that majorities come and go. longship Jan 2013 #64

With respect I think you are wrong. Even if we get in the minority, there is absolutely rhett o rick Jan 2013 #69

Well, the majority makes the rules. longship Jan 2013 #75

No one is suggesting "killing the filibuster", just make it reasonable. rhett o rick Jan 2013 #77

But doing it unilaterally would have been very bad for Dems. longship Jan 2013 #80

Thank you n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #5

And thank you for supporting real change. MineralMan Jan 2013 #8

But ... But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #12

and so is condescension russspeakeasy Jan 2013 #32

Point noted ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #63

Do tell. Please explain what you mean by "condescension and phony understanding". nt. OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #90

Indeed......n/t AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #38

We only needed 50 votes. We have 53 Democratic Senators and 2 Independents. rhett o rick Jan 2013 #11

Optimism ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #14

If history plays out like it has in the past we'll not always have a majority madokie Jan 2013 #60

If you are suggesting we shouldnt "fix" this rule that has been abused rhett o rick Jan 2013 #66

For the most part we play by the rules where as the pukes don't or won't madokie Jan 2013 #71

I agree with that. rhett o rick Jan 2013 #72

Glad somebody's optimistic. tblue Jan 2013 #83

Reid said that he had the 51 votes. cali Jan 2013 #13

If he actually had them, the change would have been put to a vote. MineralMan Jan 2013 #15

so you don't take his word for it, and YOU know better cali Jan 2013 #20

The Ezra Klein Washington Post article is fairly comprehensive. LeftInTX Jan 2013 #54

I think I agree with you. First, it isnt a valid argument to say "but he said" when refering to a rhett o rick Jan 2013 #62

Minor point. Currently there are only 99 Senators. He only needs 50 not counting Biden. nm rhett o rick Jan 2013 #46

Thanks for that clarification. MineralMan Jan 2013 #47

But he sure made Turtle happy. tblue Jan 2013 #84

Hear, hear! Hekate Jan 2013 #17

Thank you! When some declare utter failure MineralMan Jan 2013 #22

I think you are right about it being... Hekate Jan 2013 #26

Yep. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #36

I've said it before and I'll say it again, "... what calls itself 'the Left'" appears to have patrice Jan 2013 #55

P.S. I'd LOVE to see a real Left!!! but I have to be honest that about all I've seen so far is patrice Jan 2013 #61

Fascist? Who is reaping the proceeds of production, Patrice? TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #102

It just occurred to me: we have to consider the possibility that what calls itself "the Left" didn't patrice Jan 2013 #74

Thanks for posting this. CBHagman Jan 2013 #19

My pleasure, and I agree with you. MineralMan Jan 2013 #23

Focus: 2014 KharmaTrain Jan 2013 #21

Excellent points. MineralMan Jan 2013 #24

Expatriots? ErikJ Jan 2013 #25

Expatriates. Some are quoted regularly here. MineralMan Jan 2013 #29

There's also posters active on DU who never have voted and never will vote for a Democrat Fumesucker Jan 2013 #42

There are many posters on DU. MineralMan Jan 2013 #43

You seem pretty good at writing posts people want to rec Fumesucker Jan 2013 #52

Not really. My posts get a few recs, but far fewer than many other posters. MineralMan Jan 2013 #56

I comment on named DUers also Fumesucker Jan 2013 #78

I do not troll on DU. Ever. nt MineralMan Jan 2013 #97

All those dog whistles make it into your posts by accident? Fumesucker Jan 2013 #104

ALL true K&R! patrice Jan 2013 #28

Sen. Tom Harkin does not agree. WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #30

And I think Harkin's wrong, too. MineralMan Jan 2013 #34

Excellent post, MineralMan! AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #33

Gosh, us of lesser understanding are so please with russspeakeasy Jan 2013 #35

Sarcasm works better when it's spelled correctly, MineralMan Jan 2013 #39

Gosh, thanks again. russspeakeasy Jan 2013 #41

A celebration of defeat, uh? earthside Jan 2013 #37

You'll forgive me, I'm sure, MineralMan Jan 2013 #40

Oh my, not the expatriates! NoOneMan Jan 2013 #45

Mineral Man has so much more knowlege than current Congressional Democrats, that we look forward canoeist52 Jan 2013 #48

Another name I'm not familiar with. Thanks MineralMan Jan 2013 #51

There must have been something added to the bill that made dems vote no. Hopefully new one coming judesedit Jan 2013 #49

"doomsayer" is just a synonym for "realist". nt Speck Tater Jan 2013 #53

No, you know, it's not. MineralMan Jan 2013 #58

Most got accomplished in the first 2 years where we had the majority. There is no evidence to back still_one Jan 2013 #57

K&R SunSeeker Jan 2013 #76

As always,the haters just see bad of everything, instead of looking ahead. graham4anything Jan 2013 #79

Who are they? JoeDuck Jan 2013 #82

it is all coming from the usual quarters arely staircase Jan 2013 #86

Someone sent a bullshit alert on your post BainsBane Jan 2013 #87

Thanks. Someone always alerts on MineralMan Jan 2013 #96

mine too BainsBane Jan 2013 #98

GREAT JOB!!!!........You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!! Pauldg47 Jan 2013 #88

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I recc'd this BootinUp Jan 2013 #100

You Are Correct Sir... We Should Exept Everything That Is Said... At Face Value... WillyT Jan 2013 #101