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Lone_Star_Dem

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189. The reality is women are already serving in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:10 PM

Jan 2013

Which was a strong part of the lawsuits which brought this change on.

The concepts of war and and the "frontline" have evolved and our military is being forced to both acknowledge that evolution and to change along with it. The idea that women being kept to a separate class of the military fosters the belief in the military that women are not equal. Which feeds idiotic ideas such as the author of your article harbors. Remove the separation and let everyone start out on an even playing field and a great deal of the male animosity toward women serving in the military will also be removed.

Canada is offering to help the US make the change as seamless as possible. Since they've had women serving in combat since 1989, I'm pretty sure they've figured out how to get soldiers to defecate in bags in front of each other years ago. After all, how much harder can it be to crap in front of another solider than to have to hold another soldier's guts in trying keep them alive until a medevac can get there?

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they are moving to one standard for the pft... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #1

Wrong answer Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #2

i read the article. twice. actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #4

Have you ever experienced a month in these conditions? Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #6

deployed 4 times. as a Corpsman. with the Infantry. N/T actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #9

Where? Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #17

twice to iraq and twice to afghanistan. and i dont feel the need... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #20

That's right the President is the boss.... Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #25

do you really think... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #29

By the way, thank you for your service and welcome to DU! riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #274

But it's an argument you have already lost. randome Jan 2013 #30

No I will not deal with it Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #35

DU isn't a place for you to rant against women's equality CreekDog Jan 2013 #122

Pulling the sexism card on me Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #126

sexism card? CreekDog Jan 2013 #129

"Some of my best candidates are women!" Scootaloo Jan 2013 #156

There's a binder joke in there somewhere! Squinch Jan 2013 #300

Squinch, lol! RILib Jan 2013 #319

You pulled the sexism card all by yourself. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #169

This thread and your responses on it have zero place on DU. Marrah_G Jan 2013 #166

I think it's against TOS, personally obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #277

You sound exactly like those who opposed racial integration BainsBane Jan 2013 #186

You sound like those who said women couldn't be in the millitary because they get histerical once a Auntie Bush Jan 2013 #264

You, meaning AviationPro BainsBane Jan 2013 #303

Same exact argument as against racial integration obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #279

The Paleolithic called. NealK Jan 2013 #267

It is a done deal -- Congress won't stop it obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #276

it's NOT OK to be sexist on DU CreekDog Jan 2013 #120

Hahaha Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #178

Nope Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #180

lol Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #185

You won't budge? So you have a closed mind and are not interested in others' experiences or opinions October Jan 2013 #272

By your standards mercuryblues Jan 2013 #327

Why is it the "Wrong Answer?" Because it doesn't agree with your opinion? dballance Jan 2013 #8

In what? Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #12

Maybe you're not as tough as you imagine if the things you listed truly bother you. randome Jan 2013 #19

Written by someone.... Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #26

people just see it differently.. doesn't mean anybody is wrong. Voice for Peace Jan 2013 #158

lots of women are better than men at many things BainsBane Jan 2013 #191

No one ever mentioned a Tough Mudder obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #280

Seriously? regjoe Jan 2013 #36

it's not a badge of honor to be sexist and proud of it CreekDog Jan 2013 #117

I'm pragmatic Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #119

no, you're not. or else you wouldn't question the physical prowess of people who disagree with you CreekDog Jan 2013 #137

Did you even read the article? Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #141

i'm arguing with your stereotyping CreekDog Jan 2013 #142

Wrong answer Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #146

it's the right answer CreekDog Jan 2013 #153

so the nation is supposed to discriminate because you hate women? BainsBane Jan 2013 #192

Like insulting people don't you? Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #196

LOL BainsBane Jan 2013 #198

Women are serving in combat obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #281

Apparently, you can't pull your weight because you are afraid of being naked Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #309

Correct sarisataka Jan 2013 #233

Thank you for your service. Your now probably ignored like the rest of us... riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #268

It was an interesting job sarisataka Jan 2013 #290

Ah well, the worse for you - I AM the Irish wife! Fiery temper and all.... riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #295

Her grandpa who passed on last year sarisataka Jan 2013 #313

So the article supports the proposition that it's tough being in the military. Got it. randome Jan 2013 #3

That was about as stupid a response as I could possibly imagine.... Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #5

saying "try again"... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #7

So your suggestion is to norm the standards, huh? Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #11

they are already moving to one standard... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #14

How many? Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #21

right now i believe it is 8... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #24

So Now We See RobinA Jan 2013 #74

Wrong answer Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #77

Simply saying "wring answer" does not, fact mean it is the wrong answer LanternWaste Jan 2013 #81

It does mean he can't counter the argument BainsBane Jan 2013 #239

Wrong answer. Squinch Jan 2013 #299

Who gives a shit what happens at 'your' gym. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #172

"I never see any females doing pull ups at my gym." cyberswede Jan 2013 #179

Or clearly they don't want to embarass themselves. Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #182

I see, so since you've never seen it, women can't do a proper pull-up. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #190

I bet he ain't got nothing against her? Democracyinkind Jan 2013 #188

Hey, wait a minute! You know, I never see females giving birth at my gym.... Squinch Jan 2013 #302

what about firefighters? CreekDog Jan 2013 #124

You thought those 2 points were worth snipping. randome Jan 2013 #10

Become accustomed to burned/maimed bodies okay - seeing opposite sex naked bad dballance Jan 2013 #13

+1. actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #15

Nobody gets accustomed to the horrors of combat ever. Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #34

Right, Pay and Promotions, Because They're not as Patriotic and Dedicated as Men dballance Jan 2013 #47

Yeah, it is pay and promotions Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #54

You Have Every Right to Your Opinion and Line in the Sand dballance Jan 2013 #56

Your opinion is irrelevant. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #176

So is yours Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #177

I don't care if it is 'about pay and promotions'. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #181

Name one female infantry officer. Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #183

How about a Major General? Orna Barbivai of the IDF. Do you want two names? OK riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #214

U.S. name Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #216

Changing of the goalposts. Dishonest and disingenuous. Face it, Israel is doing it already riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #229

Oops....just dropped another bollock . Really , reread your post . In the context of your argument.. pkdu Jan 2013 #275

Name one African-American Infantry General obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #222

Why Do Men RobinA Jan 2013 #76

Thanks, RobinA, tblue Jan 2013 #160

Aren't there humans with vaginas who care for maimed or burned bodies, and see their patients naked? DeschutesRiver Jan 2013 #106

"One can only imagine the humiliation of being forced to relieve yourself in front of the opposite Brickbat Jan 2013 #16

Marriage equals combat? Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #18

No, marriage is a pact of mutual respect, support and sacrifice through good times and bad. Brickbat Jan 2013 #22

grunts will learn to deal with it WooWooWoo Jan 2013 #23

You've got a service ribbon as your avatar... Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #31

if there's never been one before, there will be now WooWooWoo Jan 2013 #46

Name one integrated US infantry unit obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #223

I don't understand why anybody wants to serve in combat arms... Bigmack Jan 2013 #27

Best answer so far.... Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #33

agreed. actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #40

Because it is glorified. redqueen Jan 2013 #83

Well said. Becoming a killer for the state is not "liberation". Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2013 #89

Not for you BainsBane Jan 2013 #311

I just have one thing to say in regards to this statement. white_wolf Jan 2013 #165

Thank you redqueen. Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #310

Teh wimmens is so fragile and delicate! How will they survive pooping in a bag TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #28

Again... Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #32

I don't get your point. If a woman qualifies for combat duty, physically and mentally, what TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #37

^This^ athena Jan 2013 #38

Cogent answer Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #42

If qualifying men are allowed to test themselves in combat, it's hard to see how TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #43

Thank you, yours is the perfect answer to many problems I have wrestled with on this. SQUEE Jan 2013 #53

Thank you.... Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #55

Aside from being a "tryout" for the Bats.. SQUEE Jan 2013 #57

The Batts.... Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #60

Spec 4 mafia.. memories... >shudder< SQUEE Jan 2013 #61

I'm sorry but your arguments don't really prove the point... Moonwalk Jan 2013 #80

I have not once in my post said a female should not be in combat. SQUEE Jan 2013 #86

Combat comes with combat pay. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #69

if your in country... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #70

Volunteer at a few ultra races or adventure races and get back to me obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #64

You're equating a Tough Mudder... Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #75

None of those are ultra races -- next obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #226

I don't see why they shouldn't life age restrictions BainsBane Jan 2013 #230

If some men aren't ready to fight either, Jamastiene Jan 2013 #251

For generations, Americans have been asked to sacrifice their sons to wars.... kentuck Jan 2013 #39

Yeah, you guys go ahead and laugh about it, MrYikes Jan 2013 #41

Why would women, or anyone, want to go into combat and kill people? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2013 #44

I think anyone who truly WANTS to... Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #93

The question was, "why would anyone want to kill other peope"? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2013 #94

And I repeat: no sane person WANTS to. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #96

There is always a "choice" to kill or not. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2013 #97

Of course. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #154

Tierra RILib Jan 2013 #334

If it is acceptable for men to be thrown into these situations, then it is acceptable for women. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #45

No, it is not and has NEVER been (but for very rare exceptions), world-wide. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #50

Why? Why is it more acceptable for men than for women? Chorophyll Jan 2013 #78

I don't have to read it; i agree with your premise. I find the decision extremely disturbing. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #48

First of all, we should stop having so damned many wars. loudsue Jan 2013 #49

I think you mean: STARTING WARS. Invading here, drone-bombing there. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #51

All you "women in combat" supporters: What about women in the NFL/NHL/NBA? WinkyDink Jan 2013 #52

That's entertainment. I don't care if women are in any of those. TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #58

If they can handle it, why not? sinkingfeeling Jan 2013 #59

why not? Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #62

There are women who definitely could be in all of those obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #65

no female has attended BUD/S. SQUEE Jan 2013 #98

Name one woman who has been accepted to BUD/S Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #103

She is most definately a hinderance to her cause. SQUEE Jan 2013 #329

Why not? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #68

I don't think any of these women gave a hoot about the NFL... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #84

Did the Russians use women for general infantry? GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #270

The IDF does. Israel hasn't relaxed its standards - they simply have women who can fulfill them. riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #288

There were Soviet women infantry. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #296

You conveniently left out the highly decorated tank commander, the crews manning the AA defenses.... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #322

I mentioned the AA female crews. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #324

If Ryan Smith is so easily traumatized by women in combat... pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #63

The funny part is I used to have a far-RW coworker who was ex-army Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #66

Your entire premise is that women are too precious to be subject to the indignities of combat. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #67

After reading the whole article, I am struck by the lack of any reasonable perspective found there. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #71

the real reality of combat is that it only makes up about 2% of what you do in a war WooWooWoo Jan 2013 #72

I'm sorry, but in what fucking world do you and this douche live in? cynatnite Jan 2013 #73

Well you know how embarrassed we men get any time we even think of your lady-parts. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #111

Women poop? THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #199

Where the fuck is Un-Rec when you need it. Jamastiene Jan 2013 #79

Of course, we delicate flowers can't handle being firefighters or cops, either. we can do it Jan 2013 #82

Sound and fury signifying...nothing. Like letting women be doctors or astronauts... Moonwalk Jan 2013 #85

your idea is great except.. SQUEE Jan 2013 #87

Figuring out better ways to do their jobs. randome Jan 2013 #109

or.. SQUEE Jan 2013 #118

Same exact argument was used against integrating the Armed Forces. Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #138

No it wasn't SQUEE Jan 2013 #328

SQUEE RILib Jan 2013 #337

So, the FACT, that we are biologicly different is stereotyping SQUEE Jan 2013 #338

Any person who thinks women cant serve in combat due to the bodily aaaaaa5a Jan 2013 #88

Wow. redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #90

Combat is about killing the enemy and not getting killed yourself. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #91

Female advantages zipplewrath Jan 2013 #105

+100 and esp. the points in your last paragraph. nt DeschutesRiver Jan 2013 #110

Because they aren't germane Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #115

lololol of course tehy are obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #136

Name one woman who carries... Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #143

You mean the one designed for men? zipplewrath Jan 2013 #171

You don't undertand a thing about mortars and engineering. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #278

I've seen more than a few LARGE women who were perfectly capable of carrying anything a man riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #285

I am an engineer zipplewrath Jan 2013 #286

lolololololololol obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #258

Then throw them in water zipplewrath Jan 2013 #167

They also have much better stamina obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #130

In what sense do they have better stamina? Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #135

They have better stamina -- peer-reviewed studies obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #228

Women have better fine muscle coordination. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #271

Put 25 women in hand to hand against 25 guys. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #151

In what context? zipplewrath Jan 2013 #170

I don't think you know a lot about modern warfare obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #260

Actually, in the infantry they do. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #273

If we can recall, the US Army was actually lowering their standards during the height of the second aaaaaa5a Jan 2013 #317

This is essentially the same thing I said in another thread about this yesterday Victor_c3 Jan 2013 #92

There are lots of jobs that are dirty and unpleasant. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #95

Combat arms are not a Mike Rowe special SQUEE Jan 2013 #100

Isn't much of combat these days things like flying drones by remote control? Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #101

I dunno ask the guys humping rucks in the mountains in Afghanistan if thats modern combat... SQUEE Jan 2013 #107

150 years ago this summer, bobclark86 Jan 2013 #99

+1. Many here seem to think it unladylike, but I support the women's right to choose (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #102

Its already being done, in Israel without ANY deleterious effect on troops for the past 13 yrs riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #104

I have some friends who are serving in the IDF Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #108

Yes I know. I'm aware Wiki is often slammed as a source riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #113

you're saying women's participation has harmed the Israeli military? CreekDog Jan 2013 #163

His "friends" opinion will matter more than any facts I'm guessing... riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #194

Desegregation will ruin morale! REP Jan 2013 #112

Women are already in combat. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #114

Women do not serve in Combat Arms units Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #116

Well, thems the breaks. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #121

It's the decree from the outgoing SECDEF Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #123

I believe women should have to register for the draft same as men (although I dont want ANY draft) riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #127

Sure, why not? Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #132

They will get paid more, get promotions faster, and also obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #139

She is right -- women are already in combat obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #125

Read above Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #128

I don't need to read your wrong answer again obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #232

I'd love for someone here to go up to Tammy Duckworth and tell her she's not a "real" combat soldier Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #134

Pay is based on location 4Q2u2 Jan 2013 #293

We should protect all young people from battle.... Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #131

They said the same exact thing about integrating the military obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #133

That was an issue of racism Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #140

And it's still about discrimination REP Jan 2013 #147

are you denigrating the push for equal pay? CreekDog Jan 2013 #162

Yes, he is obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #211

It is exactly the same thing obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #210

See #112 :-) REP Jan 2013 #144

If we think PTSD is a problem now, wait until women start getting shredded in the field. DollarBillHines Jan 2013 #145

Tom, PTSD doesn't discriminate based on gender; nor does death or dismemberment. REP Jan 2013 #152

I read the article ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #148

Maybe we should ask Tammy Duckworth what she thinks about the OP obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #149

I appreciate the service of these women Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #155

They were all in combat obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #208

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #213

No, you are wrong 100% obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #215

that's a pretty weak excuse for ignore BainsBane Jan 2013 #243

I wonder what kind of nut I am? obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #282

an Obamanut, of course BainsBane Jan 2013 #301

hahahahaha obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #312

So, you are complaining that women might want to get pay and promotions Jamastiene Jan 2013 #259

She says women are already serving in combat BainsBane Jan 2013 #195

Thank you -- exactly obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #209

Thank You auntsue Jan 2013 #308

This is going to sound a bit sexist... jmowreader Jan 2013 #150

I don't think anyone belongs in the hell of combat. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #157

Filed Under: "Things you will NEVER read in the US Military Recruiters brochures and websites". ~nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2013 #159

What are you so afraid of? BainsBane Jan 2013 #161

Looking at the suicide and PTSD rates, I don't think men can handle it either. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #164

This crap has already been disproved as women in other countries have been serving in combat Spazito Jan 2013 #168

As of this post, 1943 views, 172 replies and only 3 recs. Hmmmm.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #173

Fortunately, your opinion on this matter is irrelevant. n/t MadrasT Jan 2013 #174

So is yours. Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #184

Women can handle all of that as easily as men. Gormy Cuss Jan 2013 #175

as far as I can tell Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #187

The reality is women are already serving in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan. Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2013 #189

What I am getting from "allowing" women in combat rolls, is RC Jan 2013 #193

They are in fact turning away qualified men for specious reasons... Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #197

This message was self-deleted by its author Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #201

specious? Does that mean you are afraid BainsBane Jan 2013 #202

So, it's insulting to let women have an equal shot of jobs obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #203

"welcome to ignore" BainsBane Jan 2013 #205

hahaha -- he just said that!!!!! obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #234

Do you know anything about military pay structure? Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #206

Yes, I'm from a military family obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #235

I don't think he realizes how insulting he has been.... Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #207

I think maybe he does obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #212

his attitude is probably already costing him Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #218

My relative read this thread and just texted me that obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #238

DU needs a time out corner Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #242

Consider yourself alerted. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #221

Probably happened earlier today Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #231

LOL ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #246

I am on the fence about the women in combat decree. But taking away jobs from men.... Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #298

I think its Great! Ehanson005 Jan 2013 #200

Your post is satire, sarcasm? pinto Jan 2013 #269

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #332

Don't other militaries use women in combat? BainsBane Jan 2013 #204

Yes, I posted a link to the Israeli law that decrees women can serve in combat roles since 2000 riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #219

thanks BainsBane Jan 2013 #224

Australia, Norway, New Zealand and Canada Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #225

New Zealand is congratulation us Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #237

Thanks. I only remembered Israel so zeroed in on that riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #241

That wasn't :germane" obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #240

I saw that and had a bit of a chuckle (again) riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #247

willful ignorance explains a lot Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #250

+1 obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #255

Dysentery, body sores, pooping in MRE bags, skin peeling off their feet... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #217

Congratulations, you've reposted the dumbest distraction of the day. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #220

Too bad Aviation Pro Jan 2013 #227

I would laugh in your face, but your anonymous blathering precludes it. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #236

Many people in this thread have combat experience BainsBane Jan 2013 #244

You've made the most important point in this thread.... Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #249

My favorite is how he makes it sound like Panetta did it on a whim or something. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #261

The Navy Chief said in 2007 he wanted this to happen obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #265

Bwahaha! Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #283

Does congress have anything to say about this? BainsBane Jan 2013 #306

no obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #314

He doesn't want you in his clubhouse. Jamastiene Jan 2013 #262

he's been a member for years Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #263

This OP and subsequent posts have been something else obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #266

and better at arguing a point. nt BainsBane Jan 2013 #305

lol obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #256

Wall Street Journal: Women Shouldn�t Be In Combat Because Men Poop pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #245

Some of the comments on FB about that article are absolutely hilarious. Jamastiene Jan 2013 #307

Ever since Bush Jr. I would no longer encourage anyone to enlist. Period. Hekate Jan 2013 #248

My favorite "argument" against women in combat, as shown in this thread obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #252

its like global warming isn't real because look how cold it is today Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #254

I know, right? obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #257

Here's the thing... Jester Messiah Jan 2013 #253

It isn't the penis, it is the muscles. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #284

Yet in 2007, the Navy Chief was all for this obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #291

The U.S. has been very fortunate in the wars we have fought since WWII. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #294

the "winner" in every single case, is the side that denies the opposition the ability to wage war LanternWaste Jan 2013 #325

I've met some terribly bemuscled women in my life. Jester Messiah Jan 2013 #297

some years ago RILib Jan 2013 #323

I"m pro choice, and pro choice doesn't just cover abortion... Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #287

Oh no, having to relieve oneself in front of the opposite sex! Warpy Jan 2013 #289

Exactly -- they don't even issue bayonets anymore obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #292

Read the article, and women who qualify and can hack it nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #304

Oh My God!!! Women could NEVER handle taking a dump in front of a guy!!! noamnety Jan 2013 #315

hey genius, women in much of the world often give birth with little help CreekDog Jan 2013 #316

I really feel for his delicate sensibilities. Not. RILib Jan 2013 #318

A question for guys RILib Jan 2013 #320

I don't believe LWolf Jan 2013 #321

What your Marine went through . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #326

Bill Press discussed this story on his show today w/Tammy Duckworth Oilwellian Jan 2013 #330

Holy cow...I wonder if the men in Israel know about this?! How could they subject their wimmenfolk JanMichael Jan 2013 #331

DO YOU EVEN LIFT BRO? nt Romulus Quirinus Jan 2013 #333

This is SUCH BULLSHIT. Here's why - Matariki Jan 2013 #335

A better approach would be to avoid sending *any* soldiers tblue37 Jan 2013 #336