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Kalidurga

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26. Yes, cause that worked so well to curb teen pregnancy, std's, and people getting high...

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:03 PM

Jan 2013

I can't think of a single instance where calling someone a loser for whatever reason or shaming them has actually led to a behavior change. Smoking rates have dropped, but I think that is more about the high tax put on cigarettes rather than draconian measures and shaming. And I can't imagine a drug treatment plan that consists of an addict going to treatment and getting berated for being a drug user. And teenagers know the stigma of having a baby at such a young age, yet somehow pregnancy rates don't drop until young people have something they are trying to achieve, then they drop because they don't have time to mess around.

As a disclaimer I am currently extremely obese. Being made fun of never once stopped me from eating. It might have stopped me from pigging out in a social situation, but I could and did get plenty of food at home. In fact, in many cases I would just eat more, because food wasn't making fun of me. After decades of being shamed the only thing that seems to work is finding out what foods satisfy me. And it wasn't even close to what I imagined it would be. We need to teach real nutrition and I don't know what will ever make that happen.

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Fat-shaming may curb obesity, bioethicist says [View all] fried eggs Jan 2013 OP

is that like shaming for smoking riverbendviewgal Jan 2013 #1

You correct. I am a smoker and get shamed daily by non-smokers. RebelOne Jan 2013 #34

I am a smoker and people TRY to shame me but it also doesn't work on me. I virgogal Jan 2013 #39

It worked for me! I didn't want to be a smoker any more. I hated the way my clothes and CTyankee Jan 2013 #66

But was it the shaming, i.e., ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #128

Well, I DID feel inferior to nonsmokers. I remember that at the time I admired Ralph Nader and CTyankee Jan 2013 #129

I'm sorry. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #130

Oh, thanks but don't be sorry, I'm just so glad I stopped smoking! CTyankee Jan 2013 #131

Yeah, it doesn't, that's why obese people should pay 20% more in insurance premiums snooper2 Jan 2013 #50

And if obesity killed as many people, they might. dmallind Jan 2013 #75

I am 74 years old and have been smoking since I was 16. RebelOne Jan 2013 #112

Unfortunately for that argument, statistics exist mythology Jan 2013 #140

I wish we had a celery smiley instead of all this damn popcorn alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #2

Happy celery... BadgerKid Jan 2013 #17

did you just create those? niyad Jan 2013 #29

If you look closely, that's unbuttered smiliecorn. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #23

mmmmm, butter Hekate Jan 2013 #97

bahahahhahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #146

Disgusting! BuddhaGirl Jan 2013 #3

Actually you are somewhat wrong: ohheckyeah Jan 2013 #62

well duh BuddhaGirl Jan 2013 #116

Got attitude? ohheckyeah Jan 2013 #118

nope! BuddhaGirl Jan 2013 #127

You said: ohheckyeah Jan 2013 #134

Shaming the obese already happens every day implicitly and explicitly. Selatius Jan 2013 #4

I can't believe someone actually recommended this thread!! BuddhaGirl Jan 2013 #5

threads are often recommended, not because the person agrees, but because the subject is niyad Jan 2013 #11

Makes sense BuddhaGirl Jan 2013 #22

how about addressing our entire food system, the poisons, the additives, the crap, the lack niyad Jan 2013 #6

^^^^^^^ BuddhaGirl Jan 2013 #9

Exactly! And even wages. Poverty forces many people to eat terribly. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #14

yes, thank you. and how about the fact that in many urban areas, there are NO supermarkets, niyad Jan 2013 #21

My hometown is a great bad example of the point you have made Art_from_Ark Jan 2013 #47

there was a wonderful 4-part series on pbs called "designing healthy communities" that addressed niyad Jan 2013 #56

Well said, niyad Hekate Jan 2013 #100

Ahem, THE ADVERTISING? nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #126

What's next, outright bullying overweight kids at school? Publicly shaming them... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #7

This man is the quintessential bully...he loathes people with weight issues, Ken Burch Jan 2013 #20

His next new ad, "Shame the Gays" ... Then we can move onto "Shame the Brown Skin People" and RKP5637 Jan 2013 #76

What makes you think that's "next"? jeff47 Jan 2013 #159

Ridiculous & cruel. There are many obese people due to medical conditions. Now we're shaming JaneyVee Jan 2013 #8

That would just add to the mental health problems.... HuskiesHowls Jan 2013 #10

This guy has no clue about nickinSTL Jan 2013 #12

It didn't work for me AnnieBW Jan 2013 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jan 2013 #15

shaming does not work. we know that as parents. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #16

If fat shaming worked, no one would BE fat. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #18

GMTA REP Jan 2013 #32

+1000! fried eggs Jan 2013 #48

Absolutely not! That person knows NOTHING about obese people. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #19

Seriously? Denninmi Jan 2013 #24

Not only will obesity rates climb because of actions like this. geomon666 Jan 2013 #25

also anorexia and bulimia eShirl Jan 2013 #28

That was precisely the result of fat shaming in my house. Butterbean Jan 2013 #109

Well you got it right on the nail geomon6. I am obese and I am a stress eater when I southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #35

I am too. geomon666 Jan 2013 #42

It's very hard. I have been pretty luck now that I have gotten older. I told my doctor southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #43

Diet foods are evil. Still Blue in PDX Jan 2013 #93

Your right. Sometimes is worse then eat a smaller portion of your regular foods you like. southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #113

Yes, cause that worked so well to curb teen pregnancy, std's, and people getting high... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #26

According to Wikipedia BuddhaGirl Jan 2013 #27

I don't understand how such an idiot is part of the hastings center. I have been looking at their niyad Jan 2013 #30

If it worked, there would be few fat people. REP Jan 2013 #31

As an obese person I'm sick and tired of people degrading us. Fat people don't like being southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #33

"Fat" is in the eye of the beholder duffyduff Jan 2013 #38

your so right. I have thyroid problems. In fact I just had a checkup for cancer. I got southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #40

Yo yo dieting fried eggs Jan 2013 #49

Funny thing is for me once I stopped worring about dieting the yo yo stopped. What I did southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #69

many years ago, a friend told me that she (a very large woman with a thyroid problem) had niyad Jan 2013 #89

my husband's cardiologist gives him the "lecture" every time he goes in for his regular CTyankee Jan 2013 #68

I have A-Feb (irregular heart beat). They haven't had that talk with me. But southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #71

This doc made a bad impression from the start... CTyankee Jan 2013 #91

That doctor alone would stress me out. I would find another doctor that is in your health net. southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #99

Bullshit. All it does is increase isolation and depression Warpy Jan 2013 #36

He's as ignorant of this issue as he is of abortion. duffyduff Jan 2013 #37

THE LOW FAT DIET IS A SCAM!! Mr. Mojo Risen Jan 2013 #41

The real reason I quit smoking was not that I was unacceptable to some fadedrose Jan 2013 #44

When I quit, I lost a source of information JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #90

How about shopping? fadedrose Jan 2013 #106

ohforfuckssake Matariki Jan 2013 #45

The obscene price of cigarettes are why I quit. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #46

Which is why some people have advocated for higher taxes ohheckyeah Jan 2013 #64

Yes, let's all hate each other. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #51

I used to be a smoker until employers started treating smokers like lepers. Even if they only DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #52

But we don't pay more for smokers or fat people-we pay less! eridani Jan 2013 #61

Thanks for the link. Hopefully this will shut up the "you cost me more" crowd, but we're DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #105

I was, too. And now my employer is doing the same to obese people. Still Blue in PDX Jan 2013 #92

What ever happened to live and let live? It's no ones business if you're fat or you smoke. It's your DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #101

I had an employer encourage me to smoke tabbycat31 Jan 2013 #156

What an idiotic notion! Sadiedog Jan 2013 #53

Yep--husband has this, and his weight cycled up and down by 40lbs until eridani Jan 2013 #72

I wish you and him well! nt Sadiedog Jan 2013 #135

Great plan to increase future anorexics! Th1onein Jan 2013 #54

I agree with the losing weight is not easy, but it certainly can be cheap. nobodyspecial Jan 2013 #55

how do you propose that people do that who live in areas that have no supermarkets or grocery niyad Jan 2013 #73

Show me statistics where this is the majority of the overweight people nobodyspecial Jan 2013 #79

you might try actually looking at the realities of what I asked niyad Jan 2013 #80

And you didn't address anything I said. nobodyspecial Jan 2013 #84

it is obvious that any attempt would be pointless. niyad Jan 2013 #86

You're right nobodyspecial Jan 2013 #88

+1 nt laundry_queen Jan 2013 #85

Travel to one? Marr Jan 2013 #120

of course, why didn't I think of that? and just how do you travel that measely three miles? niyad Jan 2013 #136

Well, life isn't easy-- what can I tell you? Marr Jan 2013 #142

where did you get the idea I was referring to myself in any of that? nice try, though. niyad Jan 2013 #148

Yep. I'd been carrying an extra 30 pounds or so since college, and endlessly Marr Jan 2013 #117

Great job! nobodyspecial Jan 2013 #119

Thanks! Marr Jan 2013 #122

This Nature of Things episode is well worth a look u4ic Jan 2013 #57

Congrats to Callahan for being an accessory after the fact to bullycide eridani Jan 2013 #58

Shaming/bullying in regards to one's weight is one of DU's dirty little secrets... Earth_First Jan 2013 #59

Keep on fighting and alerting. dawg Jan 2013 #124

There's one problem. There's no healthy amount of tobacco TexasBushwhacker Jan 2013 #60

Some smoker's have more trouble quitting than others.... ohheckyeah Jan 2013 #63

Can we shame them with cheese sandwiches? Is that still in vogue? nt OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #65

I'm betting this doctor makes money on the side treating eating disorders. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #67

He should be subjected to douchebag shaming. pintobean Jan 2013 #70

Meh - telling that his example appeals only to shallow idiots isn't it? dmallind Jan 2013 #74

Is low self esteem more likely with obesity than with smoking? yellowcanine Jan 2013 #77

oh fuck him. Scout Jan 2013 #78

Yes, he is wrong. polly7 Jan 2013 #81

the secrets of thin people Mosby Jan 2013 #82

How dare you suggest individuals have ANY control over their weight. nobodyspecial Jan 2013 #98

You don't. What you have control over is eating and physical activity eridani Jan 2013 #144

Where did I argue that calories in equal calories out? nobodyspecial Jan 2013 #149

The trouble is that "doing something" will not necessarily put you anywhere near "ideal" weight eridani Jan 2013 #161

would you like butter with that? Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #83

I had some clown give me shit in the supermarket checkout about what I was buying. hobbit709 Jan 2013 #87

excellent!!! Scout Jan 2013 #121

... sarge43 Jan 2013 #154

Great comeback for a lot of situations! Nay Jan 2013 #158

its interesting research quinnox Jan 2013 #94

It has worked well for smoking cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #95

Really? Perhaps someone should tell the President. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #138

Maybe he could ask the fashion industry to use skinnier models Hekate Jan 2013 #96

Yes, it might cause some people to lose weight bluestateguy Jan 2013 #102

Negative reinforcement. avaistheone1 Jan 2013 #103

Here's a photo of that four-eyed gray-haired wrinkle-face Daniel Callahan Ian David Jan 2013 #104

Walking is FREE and shoes are cheap. Walking is the BEST exercise for overweight people.You don't kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #107

Back when I was on a med that unbeknownst to me caused uncontrollable cravings... Hekate Jan 2013 #108

Hell, Dr. Callahan would just need to visit this thread. laundry_queen Jan 2013 #132

Shaming overweight people is stupid. justanidea Jan 2013 #110

You can't eat less than your body uses over long time periods eridani Jan 2013 #145

What we face exboyfil Jan 2013 #111

The bioethicist is nuts, but why do you think weight loss needs to be expensive? nt RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #114

If people want to be fat, I say let them. Marr Jan 2013 #115

No they don't--they have information eridani Jan 2013 #147

Just one man but it worked for me nachosgrande Jan 2013 #123

Asshole-shaming may curb assholery, dawg says dawg Jan 2013 #125

I wish it did Hekate Jan 2013 #133

And yet, my skinny uncle still dropped dead of a heart attack. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #137

I actually kind of don't care how I look treestar Jan 2013 #139

Great. Just what we need . . . Brigid Jan 2013 #141

Callahan is a complete fucking idiot. n/t flvegan Jan 2013 #143

What an idiot. undeterred Jan 2013 #150

This is insane. Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #151

I've felt ashamed for years. It hasn't helped me, and I have only gotten larger. GreenPartyVoter Jan 2013 #152

Shaming of any kind is ineffective and often cruel. MineralMan Jan 2013 #153

Given that there are multiple reasons for obesity rates... CBHagman Jan 2013 #155

Bullsh*t. mzteris Jan 2013 #157

Wow! Just what I want more of in my life - more guilt trips LibertyLover Jan 2013 #160