Guns should not be kept in houses where children are present

[farminator3000]

112. you are living in a strange world, for sure

Some things are not up to the whims of a simple majority.

so why then does the NRA seems to think it is in charge of (not) writing any and all gun laws?
because they are extremists.

I don't buy those cooked percentages. The anti-gun movement can not state numbers without cooking them. The history of the movement is replete with examples, should you need any

http://timeswampland.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/nij-guns-in-america-national-survey.pdf
try the ^^^ dept. of justice, maybe.

i don't want examples. i also don't want to hear your 'opinion'.
About 211,000 handguns and
382,000 long guns were stolen in
noncommercial thefts in 1994.

so today its more like 500,000. good reason to have them registered and licensed.

Evidence suggests that this survey
and others like it overestimate
the frequency with which firearms
were used by private citizens to defend
against criminal attack.
Target audience: Criminal justice
and public health researchers and
practitioners. Legislators and policymakers
at all levels of government.

Slightly more than half of all privately
owned firearms were stored
unlocked; 16 percent of firearms
were stored unlocked and loaded.

all three of the above suck, and need to be address by REGULATION. not banning so don't get your shorts in a knot.

The restrictionist side ALWAYS thinks their proposals are fair. Show me one single example of something they have pushed for that they didn't think was fair.

perhaps because they are completely fair.

And thats where your mask comes off. One who agrees with current law, but doesn't agree with new laws CAN NOT by definition, be absolutist or extremist, because of all the laws he or she DOES agree with. I'll give you credit for your attempt to change the meaning of absolutist on the fly though, regardless of how transparent it may have been.

great, 14 states have basically NO gun laws, and you agree with that.
so what if you are happy with your state's laws? what is good? what laws do you 'agree' with? free access to sniper rifles?
you think everything is hunky dory all over america, and all the laws are just perfect the way they are?
that is simply preposterous. of course you are being extreme- "all facts are doo doo and i know exactly how things should be" sounds pretty non-compromising to me. and to the MAJORITY of people, who don't really give a crap about defending guns or some warped version of the 2nd amendment.

Unlike so many others, I will not presume to judge, measure, weigh, or decide gun ownership on the part of others however, when it comes to their wants and needs. Its as simple as standing up for constitutionally protected civil liberties as far as I'm concerned, and a matter of principle.

trying to impose your 'concerns' on an entire country is foolish. especially when you have all the guns you need. you are standing up for millions of strangers, many of them CRIMINALS.
aren't the people getting shot dead literally every 45 minutes strangers, too? so why don't you care about them? some are criminals. some are little kids. way too many little kids. and please don't post any crap about using kids for politics, that crap is inhumane.

I'm aware they did. That however does not invalidate anything i've said.

yes, it does. the NRA used to be a group of good people (the leaders of the org)
1. “I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons,” said NRA President Karl T. Frederick, a 1920 Olympic gold-medal winner for marksmanship who became a lawyer, praising state gun control laws in Congress. He testified before the 1938 federal gun control law passed. “I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses.”
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/23/7_uncovered_quotes_that_reveal_just_how_crazy_the_nras_become/

compare that with:
2) “There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people.

3) “[V]iolent crime is increasing again for the first time in 19 years! Add another hurricane, terrorist attack or some other natural or man-made disaster, and you’ve got a recipe for a national nightmare of violence and victimization.”
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/21/1372001/the-10-craziest-quotes-from-the-nra-press-conference/

i'm seeing a bit of a mental disconnect, there. in lapierre and elsewhere.

Do you REALLY believe there are NO gun laws in those states? Really? If you don't, you admit to dishonesty by posting something that makes it appear that there are no gun laws in spite of knowing to the contrary. Thats called misrepresentation

Arizona gun laws are found mostly in Title 13, Chapter 31 of the Arizona Revised Statutes.[1] There is no registration or licensing of non-NFA firearms in Arizona. In fact, Section 13-3108 subsection B prohibits any political subdivision of the state from enacting any laws requiring licensing or registration.[2] According to state law, a person must be 18 years of age to purchase any non-NFA firearm from any source; however, there is a federal age limit of 21 years on handgun purchases from federal firearms licensees.
Open carry

On foot, any adult person who is not a "prohibited possessor"[3] may openly carry a loaded firearm visible to others in a belt holster, gun case or scabbard. Generally, a person must be at least 18 years of age to possess or openly carry a firearm.

from wiki

The Ohio constitution acknowledges the right to keep and bear arms. Ohio law provides very few additional restrictions on gun ownership and transactions than the restrictions provided by Federal Law. Ohio gun law relates mostly with the carrying and transportation of guns.

it isn't my job to explain the gun laws that you don't seem to give a crap about. YOU look it up, there are 14 states on the chart, completely blank.

only TWO of them are 'blue' states, which might make you think, if you were more open-minded.

what are the gun laws in AZ? you have to be 18 to buy a rifle, 21 for a handgun. and you can't drink when you bring your gun into a bar.

we aren't living in the wild west anymore (which actually had more gun control laws than we do)

Compromise with the anti-gun movement, has ALWAYS meant "if you meet us half way on this, we'll be content this year, and wait until next year or the year after to come back for more, and you'll get nothing in return then either". Thats a fact jack, and one you seem very eager to ignore.

why would i take your opinion as a fact? what about the fact that the NRA opposes all gun laws? it must be a fact, its on their site.

what does 'you get nothing in return' mean? you already said you have all the guns you want.

this leads me to believe you are a representative of the gun industry.

my point is 'we get nothing' sounds foolish. how many guns can you possibly want? oh, right, its a multi-million dollar industry, so in reality your drmatic invokation of human rights is about $$$.

a lot of which go out of the country (russian ar-15s, big business). good for you, what a patriot!

I do not believe that any law can be made from the gun ownership end of the equation, that can or would. You can fault me for that all you like, but thats what I think and believe.

ok, sure, not extreme in the least. go ahead and believe it if you want.

smoking laws stopped people from smoking in bars. that is an actual addiction, whereas guns are kind of a fetish.
the NFA seems to have stopped murders committed by fully automatic machine gun pretty well.
so try and be a little more informed.

A. Don't give a shit about gun owners or their rights

oh, all those poor millions in CA and MA being oppressed! there will be a revolt! for sure!

B. Blames gun owners for all the things bad people do with guns (you have seen the posts saying "gun owners have blood on their hands" as everyone else here has so don't go there)

the people that do the bad things own the guns, so... you are projecting something somebody typed on a chatboard into a vast conspiracy.

C. has been attacking gun ownership for decades

more conspiracy.

D. Has used every dishonest trick in the book to try and get their way, and proven beyond the shadow of a doubt to be dishonest and untrustworthy

again with the conspiracy.

I don't ignore it at all, in fact you are the one leaving something out:

no, you underlined two things and COMPLETELY ignored the rest:

United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174, does not
limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather
limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by
the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes.

this was from 1939, you legal whiz, and says that not just the 'militia' has the right to guns, all people do. they have the right to use the same guns as the militia. those in common use. in 1939. NOT the type used by the MILITARY, by the way.

Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those
“in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition
of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.


you have to read the whole sentence to get at the meaning there! the historical tradition
of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

that seems pretty self-explanatory...

semi-auto for hunting is disgustingly unsportsmanlike, in my book.

had to all all the way to 31 to find one with an external mag. guess which kind?

i saw maybe 1 more of those silly guns on that list, so not really that common. or good, i guess.

Despite the recent enthusiasm to create AR-style rifles for deer-size and larger game, the concept isn't without its problems. At the top of the list is the weight of the rifles chambered in rounds adequate for the task. Compared with similarly configured bolt guns, they are bulky and uncomfortable to carry
http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/gallery/guns/2011/05/best-hunting-rifles-decade

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that;s why nobody is banning things in 'common use', you are just spouting more conspiracy.

dangerous + unusual = made to take a 30 or 100 round mag, which are easily gettable for $30.