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KharmaTrain

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57. I'm An Observer...

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:06 AM

Jan 2013

...and very saddened that there isn't the political will in this country to do meaningful gun control or even the enforcement of existing laws. I don't have a vote in the House or Senate on this matter...all I can do is support Democrats with votes and money and hope for the best. The problem is there are too many politicians who do fear the NRA...won't take the tough steps. If they were we'd have background checks or other loopholes closed. 10 years ago I served on a straw gun buyer's case in a federal court. I saw first hand how arcane the laws were and how the gun lobby has made sure it stays that way. It's injustice for the innocents who have and will die as long as this country has a fascination with guns...and with death. Any laws passed will be welcome, but I am very cynical that those laws will do much to cut down on the gun bloodlust that some claim (including here on DU) self defense or "their right" over our rights. Wish I could be sweetness and light...just how this observer sees what's going on...

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If Twenty Dead First Graders Won't Do It... And Six Dead Adults... What Will ??? [View all] WillyT Jan 2013 OP

The inevitable blue takeover of America. onehandle Jan 2013 #1

There have been many more deaths since then and they are not going to make an impact either ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #2

The Only Thing That Might Do It Is If A Bunch Of GOPPER Politicians Or Gun Nuts TheMastersNemesis Jan 2013 #3

reassemble the Black Panthers BainsBane Jan 2013 #4

That May Have Been The Case In 1967... KharmaTrain Jan 2013 #8

alternately, congress could pay attention to public opinion BainsBane Jan 2013 #12

Not With Rushpublicans In Control Of The House... KharmaTrain Jan 2013 #15

we make them pay for their intransigence BainsBane Jan 2013 #17

Except... KharmaTrain Jan 2013 #19

so is this all your way of discouraging action? BainsBane Jan 2013 #21

I'm An Observer... KharmaTrain Jan 2013 #57

Wow, I appreciate your efforts BainsBane Jan 2013 #79

Do what? MrSlayer Jan 2013 #5

Free guns for poor people Nevernose Jan 2013 #6

LOL !!! - Nevernose Speaks Truth !!! WillyT Jan 2013 #7

Quite true! Ian Iam Jan 2013 #14

Trust Me: That's Been Advocated In The DU Gun Control/RKBA Group (Or Its Predecessor). Paladin Jan 2013 #78

Nail on the head! Perfect! Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #111

If you look at American history, major change came with supermajorities in both the House/Senate. Selatius Jan 2013 #9

Won't do what, exactly? OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #10

all of the measures in the president's plan BainsBane Jan 2013 #13

IMO, the AWB is DOA. I don't think it can pass. MAYBE the magazine ban. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #18

Everyone knows they don't account for a majority of murders BainsBane Jan 2013 #20

No, it's not Recursion Jan 2013 #30

No, that is not the point BainsBane Jan 2013 #50

If that is your goal, you will find this law very disappointing Recursion Jan 2013 #51

so write to Feinstein and suggest how to improve it BainsBane Jan 2013 #53

I've written my Congresswoman, who can't vote in the House Recursion Jan 2013 #54

so you don't want any law? BainsBane Jan 2013 #55

Two things you apparently missed Recursion Jan 2013 #56

um, you're mistaken BainsBane Jan 2013 #58

You just posted exactly what I said Recursion Jan 2013 #61

Yes BainsBane Jan 2013 #63

That is the $64,000 question Recursion Jan 2013 #65

no one champions this for political mileage BainsBane Jan 2013 #67

She seems to be holding the actual text close to the vest..I think there is something jmg257 Jan 2013 #71

also see BainsBane Jan 2013 #60

I like the large-magazine ban. Recursion Jan 2013 #62

it's called politics BainsBane Jan 2013 #64

Forgive me if I'm not ecstatic about her chiming in here Recursion Jan 2013 #66

no, I don't know much about her BainsBane Jan 2013 #68

Congress is not the least bit interested in effective gun legislation. ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #113

So how many murders does it take? Nevernose Jan 2013 #22

No amount of murders, because an AWB doesn't address the problem Recursion Jan 2013 #26

No amount of murders make the use of a logical fallacy OK in debate. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #36

I think 26 is statistically significant Nevernose Jan 2013 #74

Out of 8000 gun deaths a year? Recursion Jan 2013 #106

because if you really wanted to have an effect Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #70

hit.nail.head Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #96

The problem is the "it" Recursion Jan 2013 #11

a majority of the public agree with all the proposed BainsBane Jan 2013 #16

A majority also think the stimulus was pointless Recursion Jan 2013 #23

yeah, let's go with the multibillion dollar corporate gun lobby BainsBane Jan 2013 #25

People support the AWB because they think it's a semi auto ban (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #27

they support it because they've seen too BainsBane Jan 2013 #28

Given that activists on this board don't Recursion Jan 2013 #29

most people here don't own guns BainsBane Jan 2013 #31

Only 18 percent of gun owners hunt Recursion Jan 2013 #32

We know your against the ban because it doesn't go far enough, too jmg257 Jan 2013 #34

I would support a ban on semi autos with detachable magazines Recursion Jan 2013 #37

There will always be another chance...Just wait until the next mass massacre. jmg257 Jan 2013 #40

I think states are probably the way to go Recursion Jan 2013 #41

well, all I can say BainsBane Jan 2013 #46

I don't know. They are popular for reasons... Recursion Jan 2013 #47

what do they need them for? BainsBane Jan 2013 #49

Last I saw 60% or so support an AWB Recursion Jan 2013 #59

another question BainsBane Jan 2013 #81

Because after 1994 the sale of weapons skyrocketed Recursion Jan 2013 #88

polling shows 91% support background checks BainsBane Jan 2013 #92

80% support single payer as long as it isn't called that Recursion Jan 2013 #95

a criminologist told me BainsBane Jan 2013 #97

Ha! I was going to let that one go Recursion Jan 2013 #98

Impossible for the 1994 AWB to have reduced crime. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #138

not a single gun? BainsBane Jan 2013 #139

Bullshit Berserker Jan 2013 #72

Nate Silver says otherwise BainsBane Jan 2013 #76

Polls Berserker Jan 2013 #80

intelligent people BainsBane Jan 2013 #83

this is your idea of a personal attack BainsBane Jan 2013 #77

Only 22% of Democrats own guns Berserker Jan 2013 #85

Nate Silver BainsBane Jan 2013 #87

you are asserting the President, Vice President BainsBane Jan 2013 #89

I have to say that my knowledge of the difference is very small. Lady Freedom Returns Jan 2013 #33

The ten second version Recursion Jan 2013 #35

This has been dicussed over and over. The issue jmg257 Jan 2013 #38

And still we aren't talking about handguns Recursion Jan 2013 #39

Yep. You and I have talked this out, so not worth going thru again. :) Cheers! Nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #42

Tru dat Recursion Jan 2013 #43

I know! I really should be sleeping!! TGIF. Nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #44

Yeah... We're ALL In The The Little Short Bus Now... Huh ??? WillyT Jan 2013 #24

7 Adults - let's not forget Adam's Mom n/t condoleeza Jan 2013 #45

Many forget his mom. Lady Freedom Returns Jan 2013 #48

Maybe people blame her, I don't know condoleeza Jan 2013 #110

Because she dropped off the map much like her son. shill baby shill... Jan 2013 #136

Right. shill baby shill... Jan 2013 #135

The NRA has been fatally shot. Unfortunately getting the problem of Gun murderers will take 6+yrs graham4anything Jan 2013 #52

Ironically, I think the opposite is true metalbot Jan 2013 #109

Sorry, wrong thread. I thought this was about drones. cbrer Jan 2013 #69

One parent doing the EMMITT TILL Open Casket? exboyfil Jan 2013 #73

I think you have it wrong. Boudica the Lyoness Jan 2013 #75

Evil Suggestion: Somebody setting off "sound effects" of gun fire at a gun show? IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #82

evil indeed BainsBane Jan 2013 #84

It took 3,000 at one time to destroy the fourth amendment madville Jan 2013 #86

It is not destroyed. Lady Freedom Returns Jan 2013 #99

A large number of armed black men walking around with open carry licensees. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #90

Open carry normally does not require a license/permit. ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #114

Even better. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #116

Waving a gun would probably get you a brandishing charge. ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #117

They'd just be displaying their "appreciation" for guns. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #118

You probably need to brush up on your gun laws. ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #119

I just added pictures to my last response ... is he ... JoePhilly Jan 2013 #120

That would appear to be an entertainment show/demonstration. ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #121

Whatever you say. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #122

Whatever _I_ say? ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #123

And, if a large number of black guys open carried in JC Penney, the SWAT team would be called. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #124

The response black guns carrying in JCP might depend on where you live. ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #125

If they are "dressed well"???? JoePhilly Jan 2013 #127

Good advice. Would you like a hand up from your hole? ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #132

Looks like NOTHING Auntie Bush Jan 2013 #91

The killing actually has been declining ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #93

Well that is such a relief! I can sleep soundly tonight...nary a worry. Auntie Bush Jan 2013 #115

There will be a next time and there will be more families randr Jan 2013 #94

Well Said. (nt) Paladin Jan 2013 #100

Absolutely nothing will rightsideout Jan 2013 #101

Those people's conscience got lost in translation..The gun is their god.. Tikki Jan 2013 #102

Someone opening fire on a country club demwing Jan 2013 #103

you are absolute correct .. ships sinkings were not uncommon .. but nothing was done about it until srican69 Jan 2013 #105

Yes...that is it..but there must be more than 20 dead..here is something that might do it. Stuart G Jan 2013 #126

a mass shooting at the NRA headquarters srican69 Jan 2013 #104

I'm pretty sure that the last man standing in that one...WINS Tikki Jan 2013 #108

It would have to be in a red state, bigger and armed guards would have to also be victims. Then appleannie1 Jan 2013 #107

for some folks, the 2nd amendment trumps human life... spanone Jan 2013 #112

I have noticed when trolls are posting "definitions" and you point out banning all of them Thinkingabout Jan 2013 #128

Honestly? Probably a series of massacres LittleBlue Jan 2013 #129

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Jan 2013 #130

Until the gun nuts are wiling to have a civil discussion, nothing will be done. liberal N proud Jan 2013 #131

THERE OUGHTTA BE A LAW!!!!! shill baby shill... Jan 2013 #133

Hey... shill baby shill... Jan 2013 #134

So fuckingly stoopid... shill baby shill... Jan 2013 #137