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Dragonfli

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91. He has hurt the party as leader since he began his brand of capitulation

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:54 AM

Jan 2013

Every time it looks like our party can break through obstruction he goes out of his way to throw the game.
What is it they call boxers that throw the fight for money?

When we needed to filibuster he wouldn't because he claimed it would be rude, he folded this way his entire time as minority Senate leader. Roberts and Alito must have sent him a fruit basket.

When he needed to end the filibusters use on every damn thing, he caved because stopping it's abuse would be as rude as us using the filibuster for some reason.

The only consistency is that he always throws the fight for the other side, ON BOTH SIDES of the same issue.

Why would you bet on a boxer that will always take a dive for the other guy's promoter?
Why did he take a dive yet again even though he had the votes for better?

A boxer without honor, that takes a dive is called a bum,
we don't need a bum working for the opposition by helping to guarantee the continued abuse of the filibuster to stop our agenda from ever being passed while paradoxically refusing to use the filibuster when in the minority (perhaps to insure the their agenda is passed.)

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Is it time for Reid to step down? [View all] kentuck Jan 2013 OP

Reid is a tough SOB and extraordinarily effective. MADem Jan 2013 #1

WTF! kentuck Jan 2013 #2

You don't understand, apparently, how the leadership is chosen in the House and Senate. MADem Jan 2013 #5

So... kentuck Jan 2013 #6

I don't mean to be rude, but your comments upthread suggested that you did not. MADem Jan 2013 #7

This comment struck me as something that might be said in a banana republic. kentuck Jan 2013 #10

It strikes me as a comment that reflects how the leaders are chosen in their respective Houses. MADem Jan 2013 #13

Yes, there is nothing we can do. kentuck Jan 2013 #17

MAD, you're being ridiculous Atman Jan 2013 #18

You can let them know--and I said that if you bothered to read my post instead of calling me MADem Jan 2013 #21

But that wasn't the original question, was it? Atman Jan 2013 #23

The ultimate question was "Should we just overlook this and move on?" MADem Jan 2013 #28

For the record... kentuck Jan 2013 #34

You took your time articulating that clarifying adjustment to your remarks. MADem Jan 2013 #41

More anally retentive than ridiculous IMO. nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #76

Real nice hit-n-run. Classy, as always. nt MADem Jan 2013 #111

Harry Reid effectively The Wizard Jan 2013 #48

OK, in 2014, we'll see if you're right. I don't think you are. nt MADem Jan 2013 #59

Well - here's someone a little closer to the kitchen Plucketeer Jan 2013 #92

He didn't back you up, though. Did you hear what Bernie actually said about Reid? MADem Jan 2013 #93

There's flying, and there's THINKING about flying Plucketeer Jan 2013 #98

I think Harry Reid, like LBJ, knows how to count. nt MADem Jan 2013 #99

OK. Plucketeer Jan 2013 #103

I'm no spring chicken either, and your mileage obviously varies on this issue. MADem Jan 2013 #104

Agree to disagree Plucketeer Jan 2013 #106

Heh, you probably won't like this 'un, either! MADem Jan 2013 #110

Call me old fashioned Plucketeer Jan 2013 #120

You will likely find out, and soon, too. MADem Jan 2013 #124

Well Harry made it so we don't have to worry about laws covering: Botany Jan 2013 #64

No. He didn't. GoCubsGo Jan 2013 #112

Very well said. nt MADem Jan 2013 #115

^^^^^^^^^ warrprayer Jan 2013 #118

Sarcasm??? nt NorthCarolina Jan 2013 #45

You plainly didn't read through the thread before you asked that one word question. MADem Jan 2013 #47

Since he's chosen again and again by his peers in the senate nonoxy9 Jan 2013 #65

You're free to express your ire to them. MADem Jan 2013 #68

You're not wrong. And I admire the fact that you have the guts to say it. phleshdef Jan 2013 #105

Thank you. MADem Jan 2013 #114

get rid of reid now!!!!!!!!!!!!! trueblue2007 Jan 2013 #113

No. The time was last month, before the filibuster negotiations started. Bucky Jan 2013 #3

My choice The Wizard Jan 2013 #49

Good choice zeemike Jan 2013 #71

I don't know if it would be a plus to replace Reid, because the Dems have too many useless senators. dmosh42 Jan 2013 #4

Nope. I trust that Harry knows what he's doing. Time to move on. lamp_shade Jan 2013 #8

No, he is doing a great job and knows the intricacies and minutia of how things work graham4anything Jan 2013 #9

^ lamp_shade Jan 2013 #11

Ah, the graham4anything-lampshade brain trust. Atman Jan 2013 #22

Bwa ha ha ha ha! peace frog Jan 2013 #25

Well that's a bit much...eom Kolesar Jan 2013 #55

Typical childish Atman snotty retort... no surprise there. lamp_shade Jan 2013 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author Kolesar Jan 2013 #58

Yeah, sure. kentuck Jan 2013 #12

The burn it down,get nothing, Nader thirdparty meme is dated and marked expired NEVER AGAIN graham4anything Jan 2013 #19

^ lamp_shade Jan 2013 #35

+1 nt MADem Jan 2013 #15

Thank you, graham4anything. patrice Jan 2013 #57

Well, how dry IS Harry's powder now? Myrina Jan 2013 #62

Just like he did with health care daa Jan 2013 #63

Well - this changes everything Plucketeer Jan 2013 #74

Ok, you almost convinced me. Just tell me what seed did Senator Reid plant in A Simple Game Jan 2013 #78

Reid is jus doing his job. Afterall, everyone knows avebury Jan 2013 #14

You really don't think Reid's job is to help the President?!? Wow. No wonder we're weak. catbyte Jan 2013 #30

The fact is that Reid's job should be to help the President. avebury Jan 2013 #123

That's Up To 55 Democratic Senators... KharmaTrain Jan 2013 #16

Precisely. nt MADem Jan 2013 #24

Just so everyone knows, those Democratic Senators that blocked reform are: NorthCarolina Jan 2013 #46

Thus... KharmaTrain Jan 2013 #53

Reid is no LBJ The Wizard Jan 2013 #52

LBJ Had A Different World To Deal With... KharmaTrain Jan 2013 #54

Precisely--many of those "Republicans" behaved more like Democrats. And many of the MADem Jan 2013 #61

He had 51 for the 41-vote-to-sustain plan jeff47 Jan 2013 #69

A better focus would be on electing more progressive Senators riqster Jan 2013 #20

Nope - that time was about 4 weeks ago. n/t CincyDem Jan 2013 #26

Obama may as well just go play Golf for the next 4 years Cigar11 Jan 2013 #27

I'm still waiting for an answer for why we're going after Harry Reid and not the 7 senators, Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #29

Because Harry Reid is a convenient whipping boy for those who do not understand the process. nt MADem Jan 2013 #31

Thanks. Thought so. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #83

Exactly. the pitchfork mentality that got an OP Cha Jan 2013 #116

Because they opposed Udall/Markley, which was only one of the 3 plans. jeff47 Jan 2013 #72

I never said that the Republicans will keep the majority. Where did I say that? I said that Dems Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #82

Because there were 51 votes for reform. jeff47 Jan 2013 #122

Limo "libs" got their way RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #32

lol. it doesn't matter whether we "overlook this and move on" or not. cali Jan 2013 #33

I think some Senators are on record as being against Harry's decision? kentuck Jan 2013 #37

so what? just because a small group of Senators is against this decision cali Jan 2013 #50

Do you really think that every senator always agrees with every decision made by the majority leader onenote Jan 2013 #101

since I haven't seen a single senator calling for him to do so, the answer seems to be no onenote Jan 2013 #36

Someone got the best of both worlds nineteen50 Jan 2013 #38

People don't step down from power positions. They have to be forced. No one will do that. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #39

Gloom, despair and agony on me... kentuck Jan 2013 #40

Deep, dark, depression, excessive misery! So true! And that's the way it is. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #121

A long time ago... butterfly77 Jan 2013 #42

Remember Tom Daschle? kentuck Jan 2013 #43

Yes,another weakling butterfly77 Jan 2013 #51

Daschle pulled Jim Jeffords out of the gop caucus over an "education bill" Kolesar Jan 2013 #60

Oh yeah Daschle! RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #108

No, it's long past time. Fuddnik Jan 2013 #44

Reid mtasselin Jan 2013 #56

How do you suppose he became the Majority Leader? MineralMan Jan 2013 #66

Going along to get along. Romulox Jan 2013 #81

Thanks for taking the time to reply. MineralMan Jan 2013 #84

LOL. Your feelings are hurt so easily. This is a discussion forum, not your personal blog. nt Romulox Jan 2013 #85

No, really. I appreciate your taking the time to reply to me. MineralMan Jan 2013 #89

More *at* you, really. nt Romulox Jan 2013 #94

It's interesting that you're talking about me, MineralMan Jan 2013 #95

As usual, YOU are the one who made YOU the subject. My initial response was 100% about Reid. Romulox Jan 2013 #96

We need to move on. Indyfan53 Jan 2013 #67

"Reid declares peace in the senate"! "They're playing nonoxy9 Jan 2013 #70

No coldbeer Jan 2013 #75

^ lamp_shade Jan 2013 #77

GOP doesn't have to care, they're gerrymandered in the house and there's no way... uponit7771 Jan 2013 #90

Yes Yes Yes...... titanicdave Jan 2013 #79

No. Reid is incredible effective. At both getting what he wants AND managing expectations. Romulox Jan 2013 #80

Yes! Because... Oilwellian Jan 2013 #86

Don't shoot the messenger. Reid plays his role as well as anyone could. nt Romulox Jan 2013 #97

Patty Murray For Senate Leader rsmith6621 Jan 2013 #87

The problem is not just one person. woo me with science Jan 2013 #88

Yep. GoCubsGo Jan 2013 #109

He has hurt the party as leader since he began his brand of capitulation Dragonfli Jan 2013 #91

Yes!! SCantiGOP Jan 2013 #100

Remember Pres Obama�s Speech Monday and how it got everyone pumped up and excited? Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #102

I like Schumer. Tatiana Jan 2013 #107

I think Reid warrprayer Jan 2013 #117

Be nice if we could blame one person rather than admit that what rhett o rick Jan 2013 #119