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Th1onein

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71. Once again, I disagree with you.

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:30 PM

Jan 2013

And I believe that you are absolutely incorrect.

If a woman has the will to have sex, then she takes the chance that she will end up carryng another human life inside of her, and she is reponsible for the well being of that life. Her rights end where the other beng's rght begin--specifically, the other being's right to life.

There is no denying that one of the end results of sexual intercourse for a woman is that she wll become pregnant, so if she engages in sexual intercourse then it shouldn't be a shock that she becomes pregnant. Except in the case of rape, no one forced her to do the act that ended in pregnancy.

You can couch it n any terms that you choose, and obviously, you are choosing incendiary terms, but the fact remains, without sex, no baby (except in the case of rape). Her "choice" begins when she chooses to have sex.

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What is the real reason that rethugs are anti-abortion? I don't accept that they care about the [View all] mfcorey1 Jan 2013 OP

they are terrified of the white race becoming a minority 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #1

I agree that this is part of it. LisaLynne Jan 2013 #7

That's only true of some. caseymoz Jan 2013 #14

I think most anti-abortion types are aware that abortion is quite common across the board. reformist2 Jan 2013 #132

I believe most of it... NCTraveler Jan 2013 #2

Me too War Horse Jan 2013 #9

Absolutely. appleannie1 Jan 2013 #13

Ding, ding, ding. hifiguy Jan 2013 #101

I agree. In patriarchal cultures, which is pretty much all cultures to one degree or another, Raksha Jan 2013 #127

It's a power trip for them, much as with a rapist or a molester. They want to dominate a RKP5637 Jan 2013 #131

Almost solely about this Aerows Jan 2013 #143

They need a lot of young strong able bodied men and women nykym Jan 2013 #3

Some people operate on the following principle jberryhill Jan 2013 #4

Yes. Bible thumpers (most) have latched onto "the good" immoderate Jan 2013 #102

You definitely have a point! Raksha Jan 2013 #128

Cribbed from the Haj ritual... jberryhill Jan 2013 #134

Well said!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #133

Votes... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #5

Easy. Fix The Stupid Jan 2013 #6

To a man it's a "wedge" issue. To a woman it is a matter of life and death. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #36

And that is exactly my point... Fix The Stupid Jan 2013 #48

They believe men should have dominion over women's bodies. JaneQPublic Jan 2013 #8

Because They are the human equivalent or manifestation ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #10

I'm not a rethug, but I'm anti-abortion Th1onein Jan 2013 #11

I understand being anti-abortion, but leftynyc Jan 2013 #15

No, she's not. She posts on conservative forums Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #27

EXCUSE ME? Th1onein Jan 2013 #31

Understood but that didn't answer my question leftynyc Jan 2013 #32

No, I am not pro-choice. Th1onein Jan 2013 #35

Do you think the government has the right to force a woman to be pregnant against her will? n/t cynatnite Jan 2013 #50

I believe that someone has to enforce the law. And that we should outlaw abortion. Th1onein Jan 2013 #60

Forcing women to be pregnant against their will is abhorent... cynatnite Jan 2013 #65

I disagree with you. Th1onein Jan 2013 #68

Your line of thinking is a direct path back to those days... cynatnite Jan 2013 #70

Once again, I disagree with you. Th1onein Jan 2013 #71

Outlawing abortion is a step back...forcing women to be pregnant against their will is a step back.. cynatnite Jan 2013 #73

"the most extremist anti-choicers....." "believe that pile of garbage" Not incendiary? Th1onein Jan 2013 #94

your definition of a human being? Bradical79 Jan 2013 #74

I believe that life begins at conception. Th1onein Jan 2013 #95

The discussion on ensoulment has been going on for quite some time. It is not over. MissMarple Jan 2013 #115

But you would force rape victims to carry their fetus to term? proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #81

Of course she shouldn't have carried it to term. And the fact that you would ask that means Th1onein Jan 2013 #96

You are taking... Hermes Daughter Jan 2013 #126

Thank you, Hermes Daughter Th1onein Jan 2013 #135

The Supreme Court has ruled on this, so your personal declarations are irrelevant. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #117

So? REP Jan 2013 #119

To quote redqueen in another thread: Lady Freedom Returns Jan 2013 #123

EEEEK!!!!!! Who let YOU in? Warpy Jan 2013 #125

Sex is fun. People like sex. Mistakes are made. We have the natural right of autonomy over Zorra Jan 2013 #139

Your position to outlaw abortion would result in the death of women, it would not 'save their life' Spazito Jan 2013 #91

Don't you feel that there is something else in this picture? Th1onein Jan 2013 #97

If there were no poverty, the world was full of unicorns and rainbows... Spazito Jan 2013 #99

My focus IS SPENT on trying to creat the world that I want. Th1onein Jan 2013 #100

"I don't know what the penalty should be..." Spazito Jan 2013 #103

You have a right to your opinion, even if it is factually wrong. Th1onein Jan 2013 #108

You have a right to do with your body what you will... Spazito Jan 2013 #111

You do understand that to someone who is pro-life, the child's right to life trumps your right to Th1onein Jan 2013 #112

Actually, it does not trump my right at all... Spazito Jan 2013 #114

Like going to a bar that allows smoking vs one that does not? The Straight Story Jan 2013 #136

Huh? Spazito Jan 2013 #142

but you still want to force a woman to have a child she does not want fizzgig Jan 2013 #105

Yes. I do. Because I think that the child that she is carrying has a right to life. Th1onein Jan 2013 #109

i would have an abortion no matter of my financial situation fizzgig Jan 2013 #104

You know, if you want to get inflammatory, it solves nothing. Th1onein Jan 2013 #110

You really think it comes down to just MONEY??? REP Jan 2013 #120

Dang! I thought I put you on ignore a long time ago, REP. Let me go ahead and get that done. nt Th1onein Jan 2013 #122

sorry, but an anti-choicer will never be my "sister". NEVER. cali Jan 2013 #75

If you do not support a woman's right to choose, you are not left wing. EOTE Jan 2013 #88

<rolls eyes> Hermes Daughter Jan 2013 #130

My name is not Cali, but I stand by what I say. EOTE Jan 2013 #144

You are not my 'sister' and Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #90

Oy vey. a la izquierda Jan 2013 #92

Oh yeah? Here are your buddies on the conservativecave.com talking about your anti-choice posts: Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #45

Did you actually READ the posts that you are referring to? Th1onein Jan 2013 #46

+++1 patrice Jan 2013 #80

If a fetus cannot survive outside of the womb nobodyspecial Jan 2013 #16

Control of a woman's body and cheap labor ck4829 Jan 2013 #12

It would not matter if it was the Devil appleannie1 Jan 2013 #17

Each birth could be the Second Coming Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #18

Heh! ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #24

They might run out of cannon fodder for their wars. Eom elfin Jan 2013 #19

To get the Religious Right's vote 1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #20

Two reasons. caseymoz Jan 2013 #21

what a great point dhol82 Jan 2013 #30

Remember when Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell Mariana Jan 2013 #33

guess it never occurred to me dhol82 Jan 2013 #37

Yes, and they look for the judgment of God. caseymoz Jan 2013 #49

In addition to all of that... 2naSalit Jan 2013 #78

You're right, except that depends on the sect. caseymoz Jan 2013 #93

Ohhhh, that's way more advanced than what 2naSalit Jan 2013 #106

The Catholic Church "clarified" their position since. caseymoz Jan 2013 #118

Yup, I got the 2naSalit Jan 2013 #121

Interesting. NOLALady Jan 2013 #84

Bingo sikofit3 Jan 2013 #89

they don't believe barbtries Jan 2013 #22

^^^this^^^ Freddie Jan 2013 #56

Fundraising WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #23

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Oppression of women KamaAina Jan 2013 #25

Control of the wimmenfolk. It's as simple as that. Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #26

Disenfranchisement of half the population. madamesilverspurs Jan 2013 #28

'Eggers'!! Zoeisright Jan 2013 #62

The birth of Patriarchy was the discovery of the co-occurrence of copulation libdem4life Jan 2013 #29

Sluts need to be punished with the burden of a child they are unable to care for. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #34

The Above RobinA Jan 2013 #76

Normally these freaks would just stone the slut to death, but now there are laws kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #82

Simple: punish women for enjoying sex Taverner Jan 2013 #38

Right. We are pro-choice in the sense that we believe that it's the individual woman's xxxsdesdexxx Jan 2013 #39

They make obscene amounts of money for their campaigns. n/t Still Sensible Jan 2013 #40

Wedge issue to insure votes/money from religious fundamentalists wishlist Jan 2013 #41

It's about punishing women for having sex. JoeyT Jan 2013 #42

many reasons; it's very much overdetermined. 0rganism Jan 2013 #43

Sex is bad. Women must pay. DirkGently Jan 2013 #44

Control of women + self-serving faux morality. moondust Jan 2013 #47

sparkly things SmileyRose Jan 2013 #51

ABSOLUTELY! Th1onein Jan 2013 #141

For many of them, especially the women....it is about the fetus... cynatnite Jan 2013 #52

There is no money in it. Glassunion Jan 2013 #53

Misconceptions elleng Jan 2013 #54

apt title handmade34 Jan 2013 #113

Basically, they're weenie men who fear women Warpy Jan 2013 #55

Fewer white babies quaker bill Jan 2013 #57

They don't like women having that much power or freedom treestar Jan 2013 #58

Natalism. They consider high birth rates a good thing. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #59

Hatred of women, obsessive need for control, Zoeisright Jan 2013 #61

More young bodies for the War Machine AnnieBW Jan 2013 #63

I've always wondered the same thing...so I'm of no help. It confounds me? Auntie Bush Jan 2013 #64

I think that Rwers Broken_Hero Jan 2013 #66

Patriarchy... ljm2002 Jan 2013 #67

You're looking for logic where there is none Nevernose Jan 2013 #69

I think you hit it on the nose, Nevernose. randome Jan 2013 #72

It's an appeal to the Christian Right and an attempt to assert control over women Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #77

Money Still Sensible Jan 2013 #79

To fool christians into voting for them AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #83

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It's not about abortion, it's about absolute power and control. Initech Jan 2013 #86

It's a get out of jail card booley Jan 2013 #87

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Sanctimoniousness and domination demwing Jan 2013 #116

Misogyny. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #124

They have a stone age morality that tells them man is a fallen and sinful creature. Exultant Democracy Jan 2013 #129

cheap labor larwdem Jan 2013 #137

some truly believe that a fetus is a person and abortion is murder. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #138

I believe it's so they can control women. Apophis Jan 2013 #140