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redqueen

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130. It seems that women's issues can never, ever, ever be a priority... or even stand on their own.

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:08 PM

Jan 2013

There is always something else more important.

Some other issue that is more urgent.

Heaven forbid >this< ever gets out. We have to make sure that when it comes to women, its all just individual incidents... just a few bad apples... nothing to see here... move along

It's 2013...

And rape is maybe not legitimate. And rapists can sue their victims for parental rights over their offspring. And maybe 14 year olds really know more than old men about sex. And so what if so many women can't access abortion services. And abortion is restricted in many states, anyway. And women can be jailed for falling down stairs while pregnant. And any woman who speaks up online will be harassed in special ways reserved for women who speak up online.

We are backsliding in SO many ways.

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Why victim-blaming is ALWAYS wrong. [View all] redqueen Jan 2013 OP

Tell me this the next time a kid Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #1

In that case it's a former victim who decides to make other people victims - usually LiberalLoner Jan 2013 #2

excuse me but Whisp Jan 2013 #3

You heard me. Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #6

Who do you think forces rapists' hands? redqueen Jan 2013 #10

No one. Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #15

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #58

+1 ellisonz Jan 2013 #70

Maybe you should watch your own language. October Jan 2013 #64

Are you posting this from the local pub? UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #94

DUzy! CrispyQ Jan 2013 #150

I must disagree with you on this picture issue. Bake Jan 2013 #139

yes, people get blamed for committing murder, Sorry that offends your sensibilities. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #53

Funny how they try and completely derail the thread from the getgo. Rex Jan 2013 #103

Nonsense, the bullies most certainly DO get blamed! Rex Jan 2013 #101

Read about Taft. Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #105

Generally, people don't heap scorn on dead children at their funerals. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #106

Unbelievable. Rex Jan 2013 #112

Some people need to make everything about them and their agenda. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #119

Yes a handful of schools out of thousands and thousands Rex Jan 2013 #108

sorry. go out and fucking murder people because you were bullied and you lose your victim cali Jan 2013 #147

SO MUCH FAIL. redqueen Jan 2013 #4

So after telling their parents, the school teachers, the Principal and sometimes, even the police... RC Jan 2013 #36

SO not surprised to see you joining in with the derailment... redqueen Jan 2013 #41

My post was unisex. RC Jan 2013 #48

Ugh, first the rape apologists now the murder apologists. nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #57

Your use of the Jimmy Carter quote is ironic given your cheerleading of murder geek tragedy Jan 2013 #62

I am in no way cheering leading of murder. RC Jan 2013 #71

you refer to those MURDERS as "needed self-defense.' geek tragedy Jan 2013 #72

Because no one would come forward to help. They run out of options to stop the bullying, RC Jan 2013 #76

"self-defense" and "necessity" are excuses, not mitigating circumstances geek tragedy Jan 2013 #79

You are putting words in my mouth, I did not say RC Jan 2013 #89

This thread is about blaming rape victims for being raped. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #90

Are you seriously saying it's okay to spray people with gunfire Chorophyll Jan 2013 #110

No, they're saying that you shoud only blame the people who got shot. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #111

Oh, I get it. Stupid kids, parading around openly where *real* victims are trying to shoot. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #121

Where did you get that from? RC Jan 2013 #116

Where did I get that from? Chorophyll Jan 2013 #122

You are making up your own meanings to what I said. RC Jan 2013 #134

I merely quoted your own words back at you. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #144

Yeah and... RC Jan 2013 #145

You said it was "necessary" and "self-defense" geek tragedy Jan 2013 #126

What are your views on what we did to the people in Iraq and Afghanistan? RC Jan 2013 #157

and they deserve what they get after they make the decision to murder. fuck them. cali Jan 2013 #148

Bullshit. It's either self defense immediately after an attack or aggression bettyellen Jan 2013 #69

Disagreeing is not derailing of thread. RC Jan 2013 #73

You and Pab came in here on a discussion of blaming the victim of rape to complain geek tragedy Jan 2013 #75

And mansplained to the OP that she's doing it wrong because revenge murder is good! bettyellen Jan 2013 #81

Well, Pab also explained how Obama is like the KKK. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #82

My world is not black and white. RC Jan 2013 #83

Classic projection. The OP was about blaming rape victims and you and Pab geek tragedy Jan 2013 #85

A differing viewpoint is not projection. RC Jan 2013 #98

And their bullies are also victims. Murder victims. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #99

+1 LiberalLoner Jan 2013 #52

Victim blaming only ensures that MORE Columbines occur. EOTE Jan 2013 #5

The FBI didn't conclude the columbine shooting was a result of bullying/revenge. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #65

That does nothing to suggest that victims who get punished because of their plight won't lash out in EOTE Jan 2013 #158

You used Columbine as an example. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #159

I said "more Columbines" meaning that ignoring victims will create more tragedies like that one. EOTE Jan 2013 #160

Not all made up, but AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #163

I can't account for the FBI report, but again, they were bullied pretty viciously. EOTE Jan 2013 #164

I'll have to re-read through it. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #165

I'll trust my own eyes before I trust the FBI. EOTE Jan 2013 #166

This is a pretty huge strectch. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #154

Maybe it was more than that, but the bullying certainly was a good part of it. EOTE Jan 2013 #161

(((hug))) WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #7

There is no such thing as a "slut". redqueen Jan 2013 #8

"Slut-shaming" is an accurate term. Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #11

Thanks for setting me straight, redqueen Jan 2013 #16

Song for you. Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #18

My bad WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #12

Thanks, guy. redqueen Jan 2013 #20

I'm completely against slut shaming Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #9

I berated you? redqueen Jan 2013 #13

Not you. Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #21

YOU WERE THE FIRST RESPONSE redqueen Jan 2013 #22

And the quote about "berating" Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #23

You derailed in post 1 redqueen Jan 2013 #25

Because I'm sick of people using broad terms when it suits them Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #26

As I said, the minute a victim picks up a gun and kills people redqueen Jan 2013 #27

the fact is if a rape victim shot her attacker dsc Jan 2013 #31

I would have a problem with it Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #33

A rape victim shooting her attacker DURING the attack. Sure. redqueen Jan 2013 #34

I'm sorry dsc Jan 2013 #37

On DU2, off topic subthreads were a no no redqueen Jan 2013 #45

no they weren't dsc Jan 2013 #49

Thank you for mansplaining to that little feminist who her ideas are silly geek tragedy Jan 2013 #96

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #100

Ironic that men show up to silence women geek tragedy Jan 2013 #109

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #113

Blah blah blah I'mtherealvictimhere blah blah blah. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #115

fine dsc Jan 2013 #118

So you don't believe all victim blaming is wrong Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #32

You arw making absolutely no sense. But thanks for completely derailing rhe thread... redqueen Jan 2013 #35

You are welcome, Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #50

It is funny. xocet Jan 2013 #66

You are talking about different things ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #43

In school shootings, the ones who are shot Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #46

yet here you are blaming the victims of shooting for being shot. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #61

Its really not that difficult. bunnies Jan 2013 #67

Nope. A victim who fights back Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #88

So the person who's dead isn't a victim. Gotta love murder apologist logic. nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #95

How long does one get to claim victim status... bunnies Jan 2013 #117

They're responsible for their own actions Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #120

"but their actions don't absolve their attackers of blame, either" bunnies Jan 2013 #123

A number of DU posters seemed to disagree with us Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #125

Its easy for me to have an opinion on this because... bunnies Jan 2013 #128

your apologist shit for murderers is sick, sick, sick. cali Jan 2013 #149

RedQueen's post came as a result of Tennessee trying to blame the victim of a rape for it CreekDog Jan 2013 #14

The context of this thread is immaterial. Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #17

yeah, well the thread to discuss it is this one, but you are making sure it goes somewhere else CreekDog Jan 2013 #19

Yeah, you know what? redqueen Jan 2013 #24

definition of a sub-thread? snooper2 Jan 2013 #28

Do you know when the proper time to bring up a shooter being bullied is? Kalidurga Jan 2013 #29

When the bullying starts? Fumesucker Jan 2013 #40

Are you suggesting that Dylan Harris and Eric Kliebold should not have geek tragedy Jan 2013 #54

The victim still shouldn't be blamed for the bullying they endured. Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2013 #74

So when victim is a "he" - victim doesn't deserve to be blamed. When victim is a "she" - MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #84

Not at all. Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #86

And no one is blaming the bullied kids for being bullied. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #87

Are you blaming the victims of school shootings? JVS Jan 2013 #97

I'm blaming the bullies Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #102

Do you blame Harris and Kliebold? nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #107

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #129

Something I have recently been made aware of... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #30

Thank you for replying TO THE TOPIC redqueen Jan 2013 #38

That was quite a threadjack. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #153

AND women who don't respond to public attention from men are also criticized. yardwork Jan 2013 #44

an hoot. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #156

I rarely see straight men being blamed for crimes against them. yardwork Jan 2013 #39

I meant to reply to you earlier about that.... redqueen Jan 2013 #47

I haven't seen that. Please post if you can find the link. yardwork Jan 2013 #56

Here you go! redqueen Jan 2013 #60

Thank you! That's excellent! yardwork Jan 2013 #63

I have a good friend who used that 1975 article when teaching DURHAM D Jan 2013 #127

Gay people blamed for everything, including not being nice enough when saying 'hey you straights Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #114

Gay people's parents are usually straight. So are most of our siblings and children. yardwork Jan 2013 #124

Sometimes, women dress "provocatively" because they just want to look good. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #42

Yep! redqueen Jan 2013 #51

The argument that rapists rape because of the woman's appearance is bullshit. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #152

Good argument, in my opinion. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #55

Those who accept rape culture at some level accept rape. nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #59

yes. but, not only accept, but perpetuate the rape culture. and we have two very good OPs seabeyond Jan 2013 #92

aw shucks. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #93

Now this post I agree with completely. n/t ellisonz Jan 2013 #68

Good post. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #77

To all the "well intentioned" men who chime in with obvious "advice" for victims please STOP and bettyellen Jan 2013 #78

brilliantly said. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2013 #133

*aww shucks, thanks LLP* how's your thesis going? am very curious about it bettyellen Jan 2013 #136

This is exactly right. Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2013 #80

The only person to blame for a crime is the perpetrator. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #91

Kick and rec and Chorophyll Jan 2013 #104

It seems that women's issues can never, ever, ever be a priority... or even stand on their own. redqueen Jan 2013 #130

Because WOMEN aren't human equals to men in our patriarchal society.. left coaster Jan 2013 #131

And the MRA idiots always come out ranting about child support and other such shit. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #141

Yep, yep, yep, yep, and yep. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #143

Redqueen, I sent you a DU Mail asking if you think there's such a thing as virtual sexual assault. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #132

Maybe online sexual harassment? redqueen Jan 2013 #135

I've never really been a fan of the "virtual" prefix in that kind of context. Posteritatis Jan 2013 #137

This thread sure has lengthened my IGNORE list Blecht Jan 2013 #138

This subject always brings out the assholes and the clueless. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #142

K&R! Odin2005 Jan 2013 #140

No victim. No blame. n/t gulliver Jan 2013 #146

So ... we make rape legal? We somehow prevent all rapes? I don't understand. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #155

A world of difference between victim-blaming and encouraging women to make intelligent choices Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #151

NOBODY asks to be raped. Period. End of discussion. Taverner Jan 2013 #162