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140. The person who uploads is considered a "secondary producer" and is required to be 2257 compliant

Reply to DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav (Reply #137)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:37 PM

Jan 2013

The primary producer is the person who generates the original photograph. The secondary producer is a person who takes the photograph and places it into a location where it can be distributed (whether that's a magazine, a website, or whatever). If I take 5 nude photos, build an HTML page, and upload them to a web server, I'm a secondary producer. Both primary and secondary producers must be 2257 compliant.

The company running the web server, which is simply hosting the content produced by others, is considered a service provider and not a producer, and isn't liable.

If the FBI had a directive to do so, they could pursue the people uploading the photos criminally. It would only take a few convictions to get the majority of these sites shut down, as most people aren't going to risk prison just to get even with an ex.

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Women try to get recourse for revenge porn photo posts [View all] cbdo2007 Jan 2013 OP

Do not take photos or videos of yourself in sexual situations, and do not MineralMan Jan 2013 #1

There are times... haikugal Jan 2013 #2

Unfortunately true. enlightenment Jan 2013 #3

This is a classic example that what is legal and what is moral and ethical Last Stand Jan 2013 #88

Totally true, Last Stand. I shudder to think of the people allowing these photos of themselves, Nay Jan 2013 #188

male bonding. he can even like the girl, and it is all about male bonding. when a fellow male says seabeyond Jan 2013 #190

"the best picture is the one we hold in memory" gulliver Jan 2013 #183

If a person takes a picture themselves and email it or transfer it via cellphone, the bluestate10 Jan 2013 #225

we are talking about the creep, bottomfeeder that has so little character that they would actually seabeyond Jan 2013 #227

Same logic as 'Don't get too drunk, or you will eventually get raped.' redqueen Jan 2013 #6

Exactly! I notice that female victims are always the ones being shamed. yardwork Jan 2013 #10

Men who are raped or sexually abused suffer tremendous shame Last Stand Jan 2013 #107

Thank you for posting this. thucythucy Jan 2013 #117

I would've given Anthony Weiner the same advice. nt Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #179

I didn't realize that Anthony Weiner was raped. Link? yardwork Jan 2013 #209

Cute. Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #215

I'm not assessing blame. Just explaining reality. MineralMan Jan 2013 #12

That is exactly the same logic, though. redqueen Jan 2013 #15

Well, I think I'll keep following my policy of not allowing such MineralMan Jan 2013 #17

but please also realize that when you offer such very obvious advice, that it's contributing to the bettyellen Jan 2013 #102

Thanks. Good post. nt redqueen Jan 2013 #172

I've been thinking about what you wrote since I read it last night. MineralMan Jan 2013 #189

I do understand your intent, but you seem totally unwilling to consider how your voice is part of a bettyellen Jan 2013 #194

Common sense Aerows Jan 2013 #171

I agree. HappyMe Jan 2013 #175

on another thread, i would be all over the, dont give nude pictures, dont do a tirade on boss, ect.. seabeyond Jan 2013 #180

Nope its very different logic. A girl in a burka can be raped the same as a girl in a mini skirt. Exultant Democracy Jan 2013 #216

yes. i would like to hear what a vile piece of shit would do this. and what a vile piece of shit seabeyond Jan 2013 #19

Terrible analogy. Not the same logic at all. DesMoinesDem Jan 2013 #37

so interesting how you men shift the blame from the bottomfeeders onto the women. so convenient. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #44

Really. October Jan 2013 #53

THIS is what creates our rape culture. and every man defending a mans right to go against a womans seabeyond Jan 2013 #55

I'm not shifting the blame to anyone. You are. DesMoinesDem Jan 2013 #90

wrong. in every way, wrong. the woman consented to have a private moment with a man. the vile creep seabeyond Jan 2013 #92

wrong. in every way, wrong. DesMoinesDem Jan 2013 #148

hey, if you cant prove your statement is correct, then just admit it. no need seabeyond Jan 2013 #149

Google it yourself. You'll find hundreds of pictures of men if you look. DesMoinesDem Jan 2013 #150

first, no one said no women post pictures willingly. second, no one said men did not have naked seabeyond Jan 2013 #151

Still arguing with the strawman you created I see. DesMoinesDem Jan 2013 #157

this is an OP about men with a site created by men, company owned by men. so when i talk about men, seabeyond Jan 2013 #159

If you don't like the discussion taking place, don't insert yourself into! DesMoinesDem Jan 2013 #162

no. what you did was derail the argument. took it from the issue to nullify it with what about the seabeyond Jan 2013 #165

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #185

you didnt have a discussion about rape. your argument was "it happens to the menz, too". nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #186

there are hundreds of pics of men, that they happily post themselves. bettyellen Jan 2013 #152

I never claimed there was. DesMoinesDem Jan 2013 #158

Great. THIS THREAD is not about those pictures. MadrasT Jan 2013 #184

This thread will go in whatever direction people take it, like every single thread. DesMoinesDem Jan 2013 #187

madras, quit being a nag, and i will try to quit being a sexist pig.... seabeyond Jan 2013 #191

A person can consent to a picture being taken but not to it being shared. If you didn't consent to uppityperson Jan 2013 #222

Not remotely the same logic... truebrit71 Jan 2013 #41

Placing the blame does not undo the damage Leslie Valley Jan 2013 #43

Placing the blame where it belongs means victims are less likely to be too ashamed to come forward redqueen Jan 2013 #45

Good luck with that. Bake Jan 2013 #108

No I disagree because Drale Jan 2013 #54

Women can be raped by their significant others. redqueen Jan 2013 #63

Thank you. Spousal/significant other/prior sexual partner rape happens and is rape also. uppityperson Jan 2013 #223

right on! ++++++++++ Whisp Jan 2013 #121

It is very disappointing, but hardly surprising. Women are always to be blamed. Always. redqueen Jan 2013 #174

Told my kids that back when it was just home videos that were getting out there! Hekate Jan 2013 #7

Or ... don't date assholes. Bok_Tukalo Jan 2013 #13

Sometimes you don't know someone's an asshole MineralMan Jan 2013 #14

I disagree about knowing Bok_Tukalo Jan 2013 #16

you'd be shocked at how some people can turn asshole years later...it often doesn't manifest itself bettyellen Jan 2013 #23

How in the world does someone get their way for years? Bok_Tukalo Jan 2013 #27

in relationships? it happens. some women are socially conditioned to "smooth things over" and bettyellen Jan 2013 #33

^^ This. One of my friends married a guy like this. Her family had fed her winter is coming Jan 2013 #48

two of my closest friends. really strong, opinionated gals... were just completely "taken" bettyellen Jan 2013 #64

Books, TV, and movies constantly peddle unrealistic and fucked-up relationships winter is coming Jan 2013 #65

Well put. I find it telling that most romantic comedies stop at the point coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #164

You'd be wrong on that... haikugal Jan 2013 #93

I disagree. If a person pays attention to conduct, a second person's true character will shine bluestate10 Jan 2013 #226

It may be the 'rule' ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #20

Revenge photos get posted of both men and women. MineralMan Jan 2013 #22

Oh I'm aware ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #24

Yes, I think such lawsuits should result in hefty awards to the MineralMan Jan 2013 #26

Me too ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #28

So you're OK with this behavior and think the responsibility lies solely on the person photographed? Gormy Cuss Jan 2013 #98

You also haveno MineralMan Jan 2013 #125

What if you had a wardrobe malfunction at the beach Gormy Cuss Jan 2013 #135

I agree with you. At no point did I say anything else. MineralMan Jan 2013 #192

No need to generalize.....just be sure to erase it soon afterward. cbdo2007 Jan 2013 #39

corollary: if your boyfriend asks you for "nude pix", dump him 0rganism Jan 2013 #40

+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #143

The line my wise mother used was "Never let a picture be taken Warpy Jan 2013 #106

Agreed, sad to say...n/t whathehell Jan 2013 #128

Agree totally. Just don't do it, whether you are a man or a woman. Applies also to drunk Nay Jan 2013 #193

+10 n/t whathehell Jan 2013 #126

Probably the best comment on this thread bluestater1966fgs Jan 2013 #133

Generally speaking ellisonz Jan 2013 #138

I don't care how in love with someone I am. I will NEVER EVER send them smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #139

Exactly Aerows Jan 2013 #168

I'm baffled by this... KansDem Jan 2013 #4

probably sent to a lover who then posted pix AFTER the break up. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #5

That makes sense... KansDem Jan 2013 #8

This seems to me to be a form of virtual assault. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #9

It is a racket. They make money off the pieces of shit who want to look at them, redqueen Jan 2013 #18

The solution is: don't take those pictures, don't let your boyfriend take them. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #11

cause god knows, we do not want to call all the men participating a vile piece of shit. seabeyond Jan 2013 #21

It's not about assigning blame Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #25

my husband opined not long ago, how he would really like a picture..... seabeyond Jan 2013 #29

If u give someone a picture, do they not own it? joeglow3 Jan 2013 #31

I don't think they have that much leeway. For private viewing only. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #76

It can be legally published. RC Jan 2013 #109

and all the men that do this and use the sites are vile creepy bottomfeeders. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #114

Uh...This Happens to Men As Well Yavin4 Jan 2013 #34

omg... you use favre, sexually harassing a woman that had NO desire to see his penis as an example seabeyond Jan 2013 #35

I used Favre as an example of how nude photos get leaked on the internet Yavin4 Jan 2013 #56

link me to the site, run by women, asking for pictures of revenge of naked men. and then co. of seabeyond Jan 2013 #36

I cannot find such a site right now because I am at work. Yavin4 Jan 2013 #60

That's a band-aid rather than a solution. LanternWaste Jan 2013 #66

Curious, how do you stop someone from taking a photo of you? Have you ever tried? Duer 157099 Jan 2013 #202

"walk of shame" site out of UK i believe. a one nighter. take a picture while she is asleep, seabeyond Jan 2013 #203

You can't stop a person from taking a photo. But you can ensure that the photo is not bluestate10 Jan 2013 #229

that would be in a dressing room, or bathroom, maybe hotel room? or your own bedroom, seabeyond Jan 2013 #230

Decent people destroy such things after a split. MineralMan Jan 2013 #30

yes. decent people. you are right on. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #32

Absolutely... haikugal Jan 2013 #96

Thank you for being a decent person. smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #144

Our most respected actresses get naked and win Academy Awards banned from Kos Jan 2013 #38

Ok, that was just very bad. polly7 Jan 2013 #42

then you condone a creep putting a womans naked picture on the net, when she says no? nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #46

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #50

so you condone a creep putting a womans picture on the net against her will? disgusting seabeyond Jan 2013 #51

The point is, actors/actresses consent to it; these women did NOT. October Jan 2013 #57

So it is merely a legal issue? OK. banned from Kos Jan 2013 #59

bullshit. with legal or illegal it is WRONG. why is that concept beyond you. i have to wonder seabeyond Jan 2013 #61

"Consent" encompasses the ethical and the moral, as well as the legal. LanternWaste Jan 2013 #70

Actors make choices involving many aspects, including money for sure. Key word is Choice. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #103

You consider "consent" to be "merely a legal issue" gollygee Jan 2013 #156

it is telling, also. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #160

You see no moral or ethical issues with it? OK, thanks for letting us know. uppityperson Jan 2013 #224

Those actresses made those movies by choice. Throd Jan 2013 #58

So, it's OK if some asshole posts photos of his ex? MineralMan Jan 2013 #62

I feel slimy just reading this post. nt msanthrope Jan 2013 #67

Our most respected actors (not actresses anymore) choose to LanternWaste Jan 2013 #68

sweet Lord almighty dsc Jan 2013 #71

Here is an article that lays it all out about the Nude Best Actress Myth. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #104

Anyone have the jury results on this? nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #73

here seabeyond Jan 2013 #82

and here. and yes, i alerted. i am disgusted that anyone would pretend this is ok. it tells me seabeyond Jan 2013 #84

Christ, is it the same two idiots making the arguments #4 and #6 are making in every jury? nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #85

If an actress uses her own body for a nude scene, which they often don't Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2013 #97

What the fuck is wrong with you? Brickbat Jan 2013 #101

Because another woman consents to being naked on film shown to the public, I no longer have Squinch Jan 2013 #111

that would be the effects of pornification of our women and girls today. we are all.... seabeyond Jan 2013 #116

That post is proof that those effects are real. And it's showing up HERE!! That's so disturbing. Squinch Jan 2013 #119

yes. it is disturbing. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #127

it seems you have trouble connecting the dots Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #115

WTF? Marrah_G Jan 2013 #124

there aren't enough 'oiys' in the world to respond to this nonsense. n/t Whisp Jan 2013 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author undeterred Jan 2013 #163

This poster is now part of the tombstone express. nt Javaman Jan 2013 #231

I'm a man, and I think you are dead wrong, period. MicaelS Jan 2013 #232

wow...what a way to be a dick! Taverner Jan 2013 #47

Well, that's an asshole move. HappyMe Jan 2013 #49

An awful one I shall not name looks to be permanently down, nuked at the registrar Recursion Jan 2013 #52

It is a jerk move, but it shouldn't be illegal. Kurska Jan 2013 #69

According to what fucked-up logic? nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #72

If you allows someone to take your picture, then they can do whatever they want with it. Kurska Jan 2013 #74

Your legal understanding is exactly wrong. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #75

On edit: Only sources I can find agree with my initial assessment. Kurska Jan 2013 #77

On further research, the website is also protected under section 230 of the Communications Decency Kurska Jan 2013 #79

this kind of thing is also a state law matter. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #80

Or foreign laws, nothing is keeping a website like this from registering in another country. n/t Kurska Jan 2013 #81

Presumably, the ex-boyfriends live in the US. nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #83

Aren't they suing the website though? That is what this story is about. Kurska Jan 2013 #87

Except... Dr. Strange Jan 2013 #100

That would very much be illegal, but I believe that is a different website. Kurska Jan 2013 #110

You sure like to twist words around. RC Jan 2013 #113

I don't disagree with you. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #123

Victims should start their own site and post photos, names, addresses, phone #'s, of these assholes MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #78

that is a good idea. i am also thinking there is something to this. i think i recently read seabeyond Jan 2013 #86

Sounds like a job for... Dr. Strange Jan 2013 #99

Pictures/videos can be great for reliving encounters beevamp Jan 2013 #89

I don't see what is wrong with taking hot pics of your adventures. seabeyond Jan 2013 #91

Ladies, ladies ladies. Grow up. You tell, they show. Good lord, girls, get a grip. libdem4life Jan 2013 #94

again, the ladies and girls problem. the men, meh, just being a man. hey men.... does that seabeyond Jan 2013 #95

Unfortunately, from those with little EQ or IQ, it doesn't really matter. Sorry to say. libdem4life Jan 2013 #105

DO NOT TAKE NAKED PICS OF YOURSELF. DO NOT TAKE SWTORFanatic Jan 2013 #112

And many do not care if the pictures get around Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #153

Your last point is of course true, but more of a long term solution. I hope it does SWTORFanatic Jan 2013 #155

you understand that men get these pictures and then tear the women up. they ridicule, make seabeyond Jan 2013 #161

I do. SOME men are mean and hateful Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #199

we can make laws that will catch up with the net. have a penalty and watch these cowards back off. seabeyond Jan 2013 #200

How are you going to prove anything? Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #211

so then really, lets not bother with rape laws. your honor, he rape me. your honor, nope. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #212

As you know that is sometimes a problem with those cases Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #217

i think it is far less tricky. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #218

Naked photos are fun. Codeine Jan 2013 #166

excellent post and i agree totally. thanks. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #169

No, they aren't. I don't trust anyone with them, not even my wife of 9 years. SWTORFanatic Jan 2013 #173

Well said. nt redqueen Jan 2013 #176

The over-riding message of the responses on this thread is Squinch Jan 2013 #118

and in those arguments i pointed out the contradiction that men wanted it both ways. women get the seabeyond Jan 2013 #129

what a shitty thing to do. those guys are weiner morans. n/t Whisp Jan 2013 #120

I believe there's a law that any site that hosts adult content must be 2257 compliant. Meaning DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #122

2257 applies only to the producer, and exempts user-generated content. Xithras Jan 2013 #136

Thanks for clearing that up. Hm, what about the person who uploaded the video? Is that also included DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #137

The person who uploads is considered a "secondary producer" and is required to be 2257 compliant Xithras Jan 2013 #140

good info xithras. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #141

That's exactly where I was going with the 2257 compliance stuff. There are ways people can fight DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #142

Sadly, you missed one very important line in my post... Xithras Jan 2013 #154

Bad breakups + intimate photos + Internet = Disaster Odin2005 Jan 2013 #130

Good Lord Almighty Wednesdays Jan 2013 #132

The fault would be 100 percent on the guy who violated that trust. Period. seabeyond Jan 2013 #134

This. Codeine Jan 2013 #167

you and i are totally on the same page. it isnt so tough. i posted above seabeyond Jan 2013 #170

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #145

Indeed, I wonder why the outrage flies out the window regarding the photos. alp227 Jan 2013 #147

"Why can't it be a crime to distribute private photos w/o consent if it's a crime to have sex w/o redqueen Jan 2013 #178

It's great isn't it? redqueen Jan 2013 #177

Obviously posting someone's picture without their permission is wrong Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #146

No, it is not about a "hang-up we have with nudity and sex". redqueen Jan 2013 #181

thank you redq, i just didnt want to get all into this one. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #182

I was quite clear that I believe this is wrong. Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #195

I agree that women being shamed for their sexuality, no matter what it is, is a problem. redqueen Jan 2013 #197

But don't we now? (Discussion, not challenge) Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #204

Dailymail version of the story... PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #196

wow. all that, but the height of the bottomfeeder is a grown man thinking he could walk up to a seabeyond Jan 2013 #198

San Francisco Chronicle version of the story... PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #201

"you're a prude" hmmm, where it do we hear men attacking womens sexuality to get their way? seabeyond Jan 2013 #205

Peer pressure is the more trivial and least helpful part of the article compared with this reporting proverbialwisdom Jan 2013 #219

ya. i replied to that on the post above. says a lot about a creep that would go to a woman, to her seabeyond Jan 2013 #220

Women would be so much better off if they never SoCalDem Jan 2013 #206

Even though I am a male I am thankful I had my "wild period" before there was retread Jan 2013 #207

me TOO!. lol. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #208

Consenting adults should be able to see other CONSENTING ADULTS nude or having sex on the internet. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #210

Like online dating, I just don't understand this at all. Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2013 #213

Re: Women try to get recourse for revenge porn photo posts arudnev Jan 2013 #214

Related: NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams on webcam abuses proverbialwisdom Jan 2013 #221

well, we better figure out a way to blame the women and girls, quick, and let these creeps/criminals seabeyond Jan 2013 #228