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Sat Jan 26, 2013, 11:20 AM

Jan 2013

being semi-open clandestine network and discussion forum. And open trademark at the same time. Anonymous.

The hackers and crackers with the know how to pull of big collective operations like this know how to encrypt and have discussions and make collective decisions without leaving traces. It's not difficult.

And as network and discussion forum it works and self-organizes as anarchy. Someone takes initiative, others are free to join or stay out, those who decide to join plan and self-organize for the project and execute it as they see fit.

It's very simple. Nothing guarantees that anonymous won't go off the tracks. It's open "trade mark" of any guy, anything, anywhere, any when. Which means NOBODY, I repeat NOBODY, has control to keep Anonymous anybody off the tracks. And that's the whole fucking point: We don't have to stay off the tracks for ever. We can self-correct and find our way. Together.

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Looks like Anonymous has hacked into the SCOTUS website - pissed about Swartz [View all] Jumping John Jan 2013 OP

If this were Columbo, it would sound like a terroristic blackmail threat graham4anything Jan 2013 #1

So which wing is the extremism of the Patriot Act aligned with? n/t Jumping John Jan 2013 #2

3000 people REAL PEOPLE died on 9-11. though conspriacy theorist loons think otherwise graham4anything Jan 2013 #5

Has nothing to do with V for Vendetta RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #8

"3,000 real people died on 9/11" and "hacking should be charged as terrorism" Scootaloo Jan 2013 #16

real people are being sent to prison unjustly while 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #30

How about Bernie Madoff and Dennis Koslowski? Both are in jail. Mega rich people. graham4anything Jan 2013 #31

both eh 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #33

first they came for the rich, and nobody cared graham4anything Jan 2013 #43

First they came for the rich? 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #54

but going after the rich is delicious today, but you would be hungry tomorrow graham4anything Jan 2013 #61

the rich are sitting on all of the money 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #65

When nineteen50 Jan 2013 #73

Is there a middle class anymore? Are we still using that antiquated bell curve to define ourselves? littlemissmartypants Jan 2013 #84

At the very least, they would no longer be able annabanana Jan 2013 #111

what about next year? graham4anything Jan 2013 #137

Once you have devoured all classes tama Jan 2013 #136

6:30AM, I'm still in bed, and laughing out loud DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #89

Amen! nt Walk away Jan 2013 #105

Ah, the poor, poor, put upon rich........ socialist_n_TN Jan 2013 #125

This post is disgusting. Using Martin Niem�ller statement in this context is beyond the pale. idwiyo Jan 2013 #161

This is a comedy routine, right? JackRiddler Jan 2013 #169

Dark Knight is totally right extreme 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #41

Not applicable corrolation.Are you a fan of the NRA using their soundbytes? graham4anything Jan 2013 #47

not sure what sound bites of the NRA u speak of. 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #50

I am still waiting to know what point black is, besides the def. I said,but it must be a gotcha graham4anything Jan 2013 #55

ur losing me batman. 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #58

Do your own research into Choice Point and the 2000 election RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author 1monster Jan 2013 #132

Bernie is in jail because he was robbing his rich friends, Koslowski paid bribes. idwiyo Jan 2013 #160

Yep. That's the difference. These guys (or Madoff at least)...... socialist_n_TN Jan 2013 #166

graham4anything is playing a game, lets see how long before he crosses the line. idwiyo Jan 2013 #167

No, you have it backwards. First the one percent came for the poor. Then they came for DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #176

The poor are part of the 99%. Th1onein Jan 2013 #177

OMG thank you! It was meant to say the one percent. I fixed it. DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #179

no... tomp Jan 2013 #68

Question: Gore1FL Jan 2013 #77

very late response, but for the record. tomp Feb 2013 #184

Orly Taittz is the crazed birther lady Gore1FL Feb 2013 #185

look, i work in psychiatry. tomp Feb 2013 #186

9/11 was a conspiracy. They just disagree on whose. caseymoz Jan 2013 #87

ah, no it doesn't make sense logically graham4anything Jan 2013 #134

I didn't argue that thousands of people did anything. caseymoz Jan 2013 #141

the 60s protesters that grew up, ran for office, or later saw that working from within is better graham4anything Jan 2013 #143

I agree. Yield to the tyranny, it will go so much easier. nm rhett o rick Jan 2013 #128

It is the Ralph Nader wing of course. Because, fools like Nader said both parties were the same graham4anything Jan 2013 #11

What about the Cristites? RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #12

+1 HiPointDem Jan 2013 #17

A diversion from Presidential politics into local politics. But since you brought it up- graham4anything Jan 2013 #18

Are you waiting for beer and travel money?? RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #20

No, but those who back anarchists have their say, I will continue to speak against Nader & his cult graham4anything Jan 2013 #21

Choice Point came before Ralph RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #25

what is this word you are using? graham4anything Jan 2013 #26

You pretend to know so much about the 2000 election RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #27

Choice Point in my definition fits Ralph Nader to a T graham4anything Jan 2013 #28

Choice Point was a company that created a list of "felons" who freedom fighter jh Jan 2013 #113

again, that was Florida. Gore would have won NH and other states without Florida mattering. graham4anything Jan 2013 #121

Just trying to answer your question. freedom fighter jh Jan 2013 #122

Doesn't matter what you say RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #123

+1000 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #44

wow, just wow 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #32

It's like you have a math tutor telling you that 3+3=8. If they are wrong on the basic facts, Autumn Jan 2013 #106

Are you saying Anon. is an Anarchist group? Lordquinton Jan 2013 #150

Who asked them to? Was a vote taken? Was a poll taken? What do we do now? graham4anything Jan 2013 #151

Threats lead to dangerous things Lordquinton Jan 2013 #154

No, I disagree. They are doing this all to themselves. No one is after them. graham4anything Jan 2013 #155

Woah, come back to us! Lordquinton Jan 2013 #156

No, I am saying he had many problems, and would have done the same thing, statistically speaking graham4anything Jan 2013 #157

So you're an expert on Mr. Schwartz's mental state? Lordquinton Jan 2013 #158

Batman works with Comm. Gordon, both in the tv version, the comic and the movies graham4anything Jan 2013 #159

Hey now, at least RT made sense to me sometimes. nt raouldukelives Jan 2013 #183

Not ducks, a pet goat. Al Gore won the election. A corrupt supreme court appointed Autumn Jan 2013 #92

The court decision was 12/12/2000. Ralph Nader spent months earlier keeping people home graham4anything Jan 2013 #170

And when the votes were counted, enough people had gone out to vote Autumn Jan 2013 #172

12/12/2000 was just a reaction to the actions/consequences of Nader many months PRIOR graham4anything Jan 2013 #173

Al Gore won the election regardless of anything leading up to the election. Autumn Jan 2013 #174

I am looking at my placemat of the presidents I got at the Lincoln memorial a number of years ago graham4anything Jan 2013 #178

anti-"conspiracy" AND anti-Nader = loser x 2. tomp Jan 2013 #70

the rich wing 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #29

Are you mad, brah? RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #4

One Man�s Terrorist is Another Man�s Freedom Fighter stultusporcos Jan 2013 #45

If you read any of their statement caseymoz Jan 2013 #88

Yeah, kind of like our First Continental Congress... damn those anarchists!! Melinda Jan 2013 #124

"rightwing extremism" LOL....... socialist_n_TN Jan 2013 #126

Biggest surprise: Clarence Thomas has only sent one email since being confirmed as a justice ... Scuba Jan 2013 #3

not true... George II Jan 2013 #81

Go Anonymous newfie11 Jan 2013 #6

anarchists, rightwing extremists and 3rd parties have no place on a democratic board graham4anything Jan 2013 #7

I smell a Ralph coming! RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #10

If not them, who? newfie11 Jan 2013 #14

I think the only injustice he can see 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #34

Is that poster intentionally trying to be a parody? littleswan Jan 2013 #60

Take your complaint to Meta tama Jan 2013 #49

+1 Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #78

Who then? Columbo? caseymoz Jan 2013 #90

First and 3rd are definitely welcome here as long as they follow the TOS for DU. idwiyo Jan 2013 #162

which means not tearing down the democratic party and whining police state graham4anything Jan 2013 #163

I do think you need to step away from PC for a little bit. You are not making any sense. idwiyo Jan 2013 #165

BTW, if you want some fictional character to be admired, admire The Dark Knight not V graham4anything Jan 2013 #9

No we as a country will sit on our butts and complain newfie11 Jan 2013 #15

The way to change is to run for office FROM WITHIN. Not anarchy from the right graham4anything Jan 2013 #19

The cost of running for office makes it difficult newfie11 Jan 2013 #23

President Obama did. Jerry Brown did.besides, there are ways if one is anti-gun graham4anything Jan 2013 #24

oh, you are one of those guys that works for an official 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #36

You say running for office is "the way" to bring change? Chef Eric Jan 2013 #40

Dr. King might have been VP with Jimmy Carter and President thereafter graham4anything Jan 2013 #51

Your posts are ridiculous. Chef Eric Jan 2013 #85

Something something something Hillary45 theKed Jan 2013 #93

his m.o. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #144

Mon dieu...... marmar Jan 2013 #96

I've grown weary of facepalms tama Jan 2013 #140

Fredrick Douglas did run for office loyalsister Jan 2013 #147

Thanks. Now I know. nt Chef Eric Jan 2013 #149

lol and anti Occupy 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #39

I am not anti-Occupy. Please do not distort what I said graham4anything Jan 2013 #52

The Dark Knight is actually a libertarian hero littleswan Jan 2013 #63

A better comparison is Paul Kersey in Death Wish and Bernie Goetz real life graham4anything Jan 2013 #76

Please. theKed Jan 2013 #95

that's the intent. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #145

The only resemblence between V and anonymous caseymoz Jan 2013 #94

How about you shut down your PC, make yourself a nice cup of tea, sit down and relax. idwiyo Jan 2013 #164

Frank Miller, author of Dark Knight, is very right wing and pro Bush, many consider his work post Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #182

it's offline now... HiPointDem Jan 2013 #13

To paraphrase Wellington . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #22

I may have some ambivalence about Anonymous, I have none at all about Aaron Schwartz ..... marble falls Jan 2013 #35

U R right. 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #37

What's the crock part??? marble falls Jan 2013 #42

so sorry 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #46

s'cool. marble falls Jan 2013 #57

The laws for the rich are different than the laws for the poor. There is nothing fair in that. marble falls Jan 2013 #59

This reminds one of the super-duper secret Assange files he promised to explode. randome Jan 2013 #38

tis true that I wonder about how much power 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #48

I don't agree they are all we have. randome Jan 2013 #53

Occupy and Anonymous 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #56

I think you're right about that. They are all we have and they've managed to get the talking .... marble falls Jan 2013 #64

Speaking Truth to Power tama Jan 2013 #69

I think a lot of people were quietly thinking they were a minority in a world of teabaggery .... marble falls Jan 2013 #74

You fell for it as a nation tama Jan 2013 #86

Changing the talking points was not enough. randome Jan 2013 #71

no, that's why they hack 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #75

No doubt, but it got a lot more voices and a divergent opinion into the discussion ... marble falls Jan 2013 #79

By tama Jan 2013 #107

So how did they convene their 'emergency council' then? randome Jan 2013 #109

I respect that point tama Jan 2013 #112

Same to you! randome Jan 2013 #115

no, big change is *not* incremental. the ptb would have us believe it is, though. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #146

Read the statement tama Jan 2013 #62

'Prejudice'? Where does that come from? randome Jan 2013 #67

Your prejudice tama Jan 2013 #80

A promise to 'bring the banks to their knees' sounds kind of sinister. randome Jan 2013 #83

Ending class war tama Jan 2013 #98

'taking side with banks'. You keep trying to put words in my hands. randome Jan 2013 #101

That was inferred tama Jan 2013 #117

This is a great piece of writing. caseymoz Jan 2013 #97

It's the U.S. Sentencing Commission, not the Supreme Court freedom fighter jh Jan 2013 #66

The rule of fear is not the rule of reason. burnsei sensei Jan 2013 #82

Can you explain? freedom fighter jh Jan 2013 #91

+1 ^^^^. . . n/t annabanana Jan 2013 #116

That's not all they're protesting, though. caseymoz Jan 2013 #99

How are they protesting anything? randome Jan 2013 #102

People tried revolution in the 20th century. caseymoz Jan 2013 #114

Aside from anarchist tama Jan 2013 #138

You misunderstand me. caseymoz Jan 2013 #142

Then it was happy misunderstanding tama Jan 2013 #148

They took insurance, like Assange Lordquinton Jan 2013 #152

I hope this explains it burnsei sensei Jan 2013 #104

Thanks for the explanation. freedom fighter jh Jan 2013 #110

<3 Marrah_G Jan 2013 #100

+1 tama Jan 2013 #139

Memo to the U.S. Department of Justice: you might start by investigating coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #103

Yep. Double-click ECHELON. Ctrl-F "have bidden", "has bidden" jsr Jan 2013 #108

FREE THE ANONS. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #118

Tsk. Tsk. Mustn't annoy the bosses. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2013 #119

So...make a YouTube video holding a gun and threatening the government Dreamer Tatum Jan 2013 #120

All these calls for revolution are quite troubling. nt EastKYLiberal Jan 2013 #127

I am fine with revolution, just not at the behest of dickheads in masks nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2013 #129

'Dickheads in masks' who encourage others to do the work FOR them. randome Jan 2013 #130

Makes you wonder what they'll do if you refuse nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2013 #131

the clearest corrolation seems to be what V(fiction) did, and what Tim McVeigh delusionally did graham4anything Jan 2013 #133

They threatened no one's life Lordquinton Jan 2013 #153

There would be hundreds of recs if a republican administration was in office. n/t Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #135

Actions speak louder than words Oilwellian Jan 2013 #168

kick samsingh Jan 2013 #171

K&R idwiyo Jan 2013 #175

Our Justice Department isn't about Justice lovuian Jan 2013 #180

After the filibuster failure, I trust Anonymous and Occupy more than the government. Zorra Jan 2013 #181