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Eleanors38

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137. And that response is "predictable."

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:11 PM

Jan 2013

You accurately summed up things pretty well...

"'millions upon millions'" of adults are "'responsible'" gun owners, and criminals don't obey gun laws anyways,"

...but fail to acknowledge that we do need gun laws which go to the root of most homicides in this country: Most homicides are committed by veteran felons.

I suggest stricter and surer punishments for those breaking gun laws, esp. repeat felons. Do you agree with this?

Those using a gun in a crime should get additional prison time. Do you agree with this?

We should institute sentence diversion for those "starting out" on violent crime paths: Either get into a program to avoid jail time, or be prepared for double-digit sentences when you decide to punk-out. Do you agree with this?

Universal NICS testing (if it can be done constitutionally) for all gun purchases. Do you agree with this?

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Guns should not be kept in houses where children are present [View all] Hugabear Jan 2013 OP

My wife's always saying, "When we have kids, you need to sell your guns" OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #1

You do know that safes are not foolproof Hugabear Jan 2013 #3

Hell, a safe can fall through the floor into the living room below... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #126

Sell them and get dirt bikes. Robb Jan 2013 #67

I know a few very wise people who took their guns to family members Warpy Jan 2013 #76

Maybe you could show a bit more concern for your wife's legitimate fears rather than laughing at her Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #151

My dad his guns JustAnotherGen Jan 2013 #2

Same here Go Vols Jan 2013 #6

Pretty much my story also, nick of time Jan 2013 #10

Similar here. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #28

Same for me when growing up in N. Florida. We didn't have cows to feed; maybe that's the diff! Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #127

Same here. My dad and all my friends' dads just kep their rifles sitting in the closet. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #11

And then there's the kids easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #78

and they could just as easily ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2013 #81

Actually, no they could not just as easily do that. easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #95

you are incorrect... ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2013 #98

Do you have a clue how many easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #99

awww... you don't like that someone disagrees with you ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2013 #110

No, ignorant people don't really easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #111

so... you have nothing to add ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2013 #117

you lose that argument farminator3000 Jan 2013 #120

ah... now you're moving the goalposts... ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2013 #122

no, i'm calling you on your BS. 'guns not kept in homes' certainly applies to the CT shooting farminator3000 Jan 2013 #155

two of my classmates did it loyalsister Jan 2013 #83

So you keep rifles in your closet with kids in the house? Hugabear Jan 2013 #89

Yeah, me too. Sissyk Jan 2013 #58

Some folks here not only distrust their kids, they distrust parental upbringing and authority. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #128

we distrust those who pose their babies with guns, who left them unlocked and their kids are dead bettyellen Jan 2013 #133

I don't much care about posing with guns; I think in my distant past, there is one of me... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #146

My dad got rid of his guns when he had kids abelenkpe Jan 2013 #62

How do you "hide [guns] from children?" Well, we didn't. We learned how to use them safely... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #129

Same here... markpkessinger Jan 2013 #69

I grew up around guns MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #71

Same here. nt Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #90

I see JustAnotherGen Jan 2013 #91

No AR 15s, but a ten-shot semi-auto rifle (built in 1905) was in our household... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #130

Same here obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #103

I am looking at all these responses from people saying guns were left in reach of them as children Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #153

i agree, but then i do see that some people will want guns for self -defense samsingh Jan 2013 #4

I grew up with 8 brothers and sisters nick of time Jan 2013 #5

Well that's all fine, and I'm glad you never had any issues Hugabear Jan 2013 #9

I agree that there are too many irresponsible parents out there. nick of time Jan 2013 #13

Maybe they'll chop off my finger in the night... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #48

So? Zoeisright Jan 2013 #52

Small sample size? nick of time Jan 2013 #68

I found it was easier to lock my kids in the gun safe. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #7

When my step son was a teenager, he started sneaking stealing and drinking alcohol... Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #8

When I was a kid, a friend hamburgered himself. Igel Jan 2013 #18

Why Not? subknave Jan 2013 #36

You do not think there should be restrictions on cars, no driving licenses or age restrictions? uppityperson Jan 2013 #42

Because they are inherently dangerous the issue is, are the users responsible Blue4Texas Jan 2013 #55

"You need to justify rights considered inalienable"? Not really. That's why they are inalienable. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #134

another human being besides your own stubborn self, for starters farminator3000 Jan 2013 #142

Inalienable. Speech, RKBA, assembly, etc. No justification needed. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #144

here we have a Senator who also thinks your attitude is "dumb", to quote him farminator3000 Jan 2013 #147

One technical response: we've been in semi-auto stasis for, oh, 75 yrs. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #150

great. so allowing any yahoo to have a semi-auto has gone on for as long as marijuana prohibition farminator3000 Jan 2013 #154

Telling, you should use a prohibition metaphor, but you miss the point... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #159

conjuring new fear? 4 mass shootings since July? hello? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #160

Your post confirms my contention that the selectiin Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #162

you post shows that you get your 'law ideas' from a pro-gun site farminator3000 Jan 2013 #163

So many words, so little addressed. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #165

you've got to read them to catch the meaning of the words. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #167

Sounds like a wise, responsible course of action. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #132

In rural america it has been common to have guns in the house One_Life_To_Give Jan 2013 #12

So Crepuscular Jan 2013 #14

We snuck into our parents liquor cabinet, not the gun cabinet. nick of time Jan 2013 #16

You would bring that up. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #135

You gun lovers never fail to disappoint Hugabear Jan 2013 #20

So Crepuscular Jan 2013 #24

Cars and booze are not designed to kill other people Hugabear Jan 2013 #27

Yet they kill more than guns, every year in the US NickB79 Jan 2013 #31

If the numbers were reversed, would your view change? Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #145

Short answer NO. subknave Jan 2013 #40

To the extent that getting rid of the existing gun laws wouldn't result in an uptick in gun violence onenote Jan 2013 #72

Wrong - there were always plenty of gun laws in the US from the beginning. haele Jan 2013 #75

Not so Crepuscular Jan 2013 #46

While guns are capable of killing people, that is not their only or even primary use onenote Jan 2013 #70

My kids are good... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #49

God, you gun nuts are bad at logical reasoning. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #53

Fail Crepuscular Jan 2013 #60

Thanks Dr. Spock regjoe Jan 2013 #15

Let's just keep them in plastic bubbles until they're 18 NickB79 Jan 2013 #17

When was the last time a kid used cleaning chemicals to kill several people? Hugabear Jan 2013 #21

When was the last time a kid used alcohol to kill several people? NickB79 Jan 2013 #25

And you're so predictable too, in your zeal to ban guns. Bake Jan 2013 #65

So you have "predictable" insults stemming from a "predictable" post? Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #136

Your thought process easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #96

sorry, I think that's ridiculous cali Jan 2013 #19

Maybe we shouldn't have any gun laws at all then Hugabear Jan 2013 #22

you anti-gunners EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #37

Seems to me that gun lovers oppose new gun legislation on that exact basis Hugabear Jan 2013 #41

do you think EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #47

Exactly. Bake Jan 2013 #66

Heres why we oppose many new regulations. beevul Jan 2013 #73

Wow EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #74

here's why we oppose you. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #85

Uh huh. beevul Jan 2013 #100

you are living in a strange world, for sure farminator3000 Jan 2013 #112

Yes, its called reality. Some people like it, others deny its existence. beevul Jan 2013 #116

what a load of hooey farminator3000 Jan 2013 #118

Its been mildly entertaining, watching you prattle ignorantly... beevul Jan 2013 #123

not entertaining at all, you are a NRA drone, wake up and join society-you wouldn't know principles farminator3000 Jan 2013 #125

Your reply title says all we need to know about your approach to debate... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #139

arguing with a fool who is spouting lies doesn't count as debate farminator3000 Jan 2013 #141

Google up Bob Dylan on Guns. Let me know what you think. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #143

he is smart enough to know they are dangerous, i reckon farminator3000 Jan 2013 #148

I agree with him. Celebrity, once again, leaves you with the splendid mundane. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #149

Hardly. I'm just someone that sticks to his principles. beevul Jan 2013 #156

you are sticking to someone else's principles. the NRA's. which is why you look so foolish. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #158

Well, knock one out of the park, next time. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #138

Can you dispute it? subknave Jan 2013 #43

And here I thought we had a major gun violence problem in our country Hugabear Jan 2013 #45

silly shit. Of course reasonable gun laws are in order. It is fucking stupid to cali Jan 2013 #57

Gun owners do not think there should not be laws. Sissyk Jan 2013 #59

But if you don't want what *they* want, they'll claim you don't want ANY. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #86

Right on the money F_I. beevul Jan 2013 #101

And that response is "predictable." Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #137

Sadly, I know dozens and dozens easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #97

There have been guns in the homes of my family for as far back as I can trace back TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #23

They taught us a bit about guns in drug awareness classes LeftInTX Jan 2013 #35

An ounce of prevention beats a pound of cure. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #115

I know I don't want guns in my house when my kids are home. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #26

A gun just does not work for "home defense" when kids are around. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #29

Not really. justanidea Jan 2013 #82

Obama has guns in the white house and he has kids The Straight Story Jan 2013 #30

And everyone who has access to them quaker bill Jan 2013 #80

You need to assess the risk. subknave Jan 2013 #32

We should also lock customers inside movie theaters, grocery stores, malls, etc n/t arcane1 Jan 2013 #33

We are heading there marions ghost Jan 2013 #93

It's no different than guardian Jan 2013 #34

My husband wanted to get a gun, but I refuse to have one in the house with kids. Luciferous Jan 2013 #38

It is all about risk management. ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #39

Best post in the thread obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #104

Nope - they shouldn't Taverner Jan 2013 #44

Never caused a problem in my home growing up RB TexLa Jan 2013 #50

All of these "well, we had guns in my house growing up and we never had a problem" Zoeisright Jan 2013 #51

Sorry you're disturbed by real world experiences, however anecdotal. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2013 #54

Or stairs, or bathtubs, or swimming pools... meaculpa2011 Jan 2013 #157

Your post reminds me of these emails my family forwards abelenkpe Jan 2013 #63

small sample size? ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2013 #77

Thank you for pointing that out. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #87

Or where the mentally ill have access Blue4Texas Jan 2013 #56

My dad had guns in our home since DeadEyeDyck Jan 2013 #61

Your screen name is perfect given your story :) abelenkpe Jan 2013 #64

Risk Crepuscular Jan 2013 #79

Studies show that kids are more at risk for injury or death in the home Politicub Jan 2013 #84

You are right, if you're an idiot. flvegan Jan 2013 #88

Brother kills brother. jambo101 Jan 2013 #92

I had my own wood gun cabinet in my room when I was 10 madville Jan 2013 #94

As a teenager guardian Jan 2013 #113

Concern duly noted. geckosfeet Jan 2013 #102

My son is, by your definition, mentally unstable. He's severely autistic and mentally retarded. Common Sense Party Jan 2013 #105

Guns should not be kept in houses. Kalidurga Jan 2013 #106

and computers shouldn't be kept in houses with idiots either.... texasmomof3 Jan 2013 #107

I grew up with guns. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #108

Responsible parents should consider making their homes gun free ... spin Jan 2013 #109

i nominate you as the coolest gun owner on this board! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #119

Thanks for your support. ... spin Jan 2013 #121

Pools should not be allowed in neighborhoods where children are present. eqfan592 Jan 2013 #114

I take plenty of measure to keep my guns safe from my children. ileus Jan 2013 #124

I'm far from a gunner, but that's too much BainsBane Jan 2013 #131

what up, dude? it is too much, but what we have now isn't enough... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #166

so make it a felony to keep a gun unsecured. BainsBane Jan 2013 #168

i'm not saying i agree with the OP totally. but be idealistic for a minute... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #169

smart guns would be good BainsBane Jan 2013 #170

ya, there's an irish dude seems to have the things ready to go farminator3000 Jan 2013 #171

You need to ask the NRA for more pay! whistler162 Jan 2013 #140

I'm all in favor of gun depots where owners can store their guns when not in use Cleita Jan 2013 #152

How kind of you to dictate how others' must live chloes1 Jan 2013 #161

Since when is stating a point of view "dictating" or acting like "God"? MH1 Jan 2013 #164