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karynnj

(60,981 posts)
74. Obama defends his people WHEN THEY NEED DEFENDING
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 07:32 PM
Jan 2013

Kerry does not need defending. He is well respected in the Senate - and it is the Senate, not self appointed "pundits", whose accomplishment is that they have some megaphone in the media or internet. Sight unseen, I have NO respect for anyone who plays the race or gender card and suggests conspiracies including Kerry to discredit Rice.

The fact is the facts are all too clear as to what happened. It requires listening to what McCain says are his reasons - especially when they are unsupported by facts. (It might help to pretend that he is a Democrat and the Obama administration Republican.)

Warning: this list is NOT what I think, but what McCain has stated he believes.

1) Rice was sent out to say things that ultimately were seen to be not true. They were the CIA's TPs. I have NO knowledge of whether Rice, who would have been in the loop, had reasons to think they were not true when she spoke them.

2) McCain and others have repeatedly said that they did not believe the TPs from what they knew - which was likely LESS than she knew.

3) McCain and others thought that the truth of what happened would have shifted the election to Romney. (My view is that they are out of their minds. This was not something that showed unscrupulous or unseemly behavior - and it was NOT a key issue in the election. This was NOT 2004 when the key question was national security.

4) McCain attacked Rice because she was the public face that he says "misled" the American people in a time before the election. I think he sincerely believes that -- in spite of the fact that the CIA said that she repeated what they said. His logic is that she likely knew they were a coverup. He also attacked HRC for the same reason - his deeply held believe that she, like Rice and like Obama, did not tell the truth to the American people before the election.

Note that Kerry very specifically disputed McCain's use of the word "misled". Note also, that far from needing defense, he defended Clinton (and implicitly Rice) on this issue - and he did it well.

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McCain was supportive of HRC's SoS confirmation, too. Too bad he often sides with GOP bs. blm Jan 2013 #1
They're going to go easy on Kerry. They have no motive to make this hard for him. TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #2
McCain and Kerry go way back - worked together on vets and Vietnam vet issues etc. emulatorloo Jan 2013 #3
No--regardless of their past relationship, they will give Kerry the green light because TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #5
Too bad their beloved Scott Brown will get his ass handed to him again. emulatorloo Jan 2013 #7
God I hope so. I hate that schmuck. TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #8
They could still give him a hard time but still vote to confirm Freddie Stubbs Jan 2013 #15
but that friendship did not keep McCain from attacking and lieing about Tippy Jan 2013 #6
+1 politicasista Jan 2013 #22
McCain didn't really attack Kerry during questioning. He is just obsessed with Benghazi TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Jan 2013 #20
Would have preferred LOD n/t politicasista Jan 2013 #19
In one of McCain's books, he explained that committee in more detail karynnj Jan 2013 #4
Kerry is a good man sad-cafe Jan 2013 #46
+1 n/t politicasista Jan 2013 #47
I totally agree karynnj Jan 2013 #61
Really was moved by McCain's remarks about his old friend. beachmom Jan 2013 #9
Another reason why Kerry needs to stay far away from him politicasista Jan 2013 #16
Silly post. n/t ProSense Jan 2013 #17
It's the cold hard truth politicasista Jan 2013 #18
You have a imagination that would make the RW proud. n/t ProSense Jan 2013 #25
Tell that to those people bashing politicasista Jan 2013 #26
Who cares? People think Obama is a Muslim ProSense Jan 2013 #27
Obama supporters don't think that politicasista Jan 2013 #28
Obama supporters like Kerry. You ProSense Jan 2013 #29
No. Just pointing out how McCain politicasista Jan 2013 #31
Great, another silly post. ProSense Jan 2013 #32
I am not anti-Kerry politicasista Jan 2013 #35
You make no sense. n/t ProSense Jan 2013 #36
I also can't wait ProSense Jan 2013 #30
No, just pointing things out, politicasista Jan 2013 #33
Do you realize ProSense Jan 2013 #34
No, there are other people who say worse, politicasista Jan 2013 #37
LOL! ProSense Jan 2013 #38
Obama needs to defend Kerry politicasista Jan 2013 #39
LOL! ProSense Jan 2013 #40
You can save that icon politicasista Jan 2013 #50
No, ProSense Jan 2013 #57
No love affair with that grumpy old man politicasista Jan 2013 #58
Again, ProSense Jan 2013 #63
Then why this hate towards Kerry n/t politicasista Jan 2013 #66
Ooh, look ProSense Jan 2013 #70
No, not a politicasista Jan 2013 #72
Maybe you should ProSense Jan 2013 #75
Yep. that would be great politicasista Jan 2013 #84
Yeah, ProSense Jan 2013 #85
Bet they would be mad at this politicasista Jan 2013 #86
You seriously ProSense Jan 2013 #87
Not waisting time, just an observation politicasista Jan 2013 #89
More random posts. Mass Jan 2013 #78
Ok. You all are right. politicasista Jan 2013 #79
Obama defends his people WHEN THEY NEED DEFENDING karynnj Jan 2013 #74
Ok, politicasista Jan 2013 #83
Here's a link right here- this very post I am writing. graham4anything Jan 2013 #44
Four words: Open Massachusetts Senate Seat fried eggs Jan 2013 #10
McCain says and does anything to retain political power.Remember how he knew how to get Bin laden? The Wielding Truth Jan 2013 #41
And some have made Kerry the scapegoat politicasista Jan 2013 #49
Competent nominee for SoS? Mass Jan 2013 #52
It made me uncomfortable frazzled Jan 2013 #11
I think nothing of it but that John Kerry stood with him alone in a Hanoy cell. lonestarnot Jan 2013 #12
Yes, this is it JI7 Jan 2013 #23
In fact, it was more than that karynnj Jan 2013 #81
this makes more sense to me why Bob Smith supported Kerry for PResident JI7 Jan 2013 #82
That and W did not side with him when Sununu primaried him karynnj Jan 2013 #91
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Jan 2013 #13
McCain is a schmuck, and I don't ProSense Jan 2013 #14
That's because Kerry isn't a lady. Jack Sprat Jan 2013 #21
McCain owes a lot to Kerry JI7 Jan 2013 #24
And Kerry owes him nothing politicasista Jan 2013 #48
Those people are not Obama supporters. Mass Jan 2013 #51
Will land on a few more ignore lists politicasista Jan 2013 #54
Not my fault ,,, Mass Jan 2013 #55
Ok politicasista Jan 2013 #56
What is ProSense Jan 2013 #59
Two people politicasista Jan 2013 #62
Blechfergmederp. n/t ProSense Jan 2013 #64
... politicasista Jan 2013 #67
+1000000 karynnj Jan 2013 #97
Nice edit. ProSense Jan 2013 #77
We can ignore it all we want politicasista Jan 2013 #88
OK, I ProSense Jan 2013 #90
Ok. You win n/t politicasista Jan 2013 #92
You were playing a game? ProSense Jan 2013 #93
No, you won the argument politicasista Jan 2013 #94
I wasn't arguing. ProSense Jan 2013 #95
More like discussion n/t politicasista Jan 2013 #98
Joy Reid did not bash or attack Kerry, you can't seem to separate JI7 Jan 2013 #60
Someone has issues. ProSense Jan 2013 #65
Ain't nobody got issues politicasista Jan 2013 #68
Yeah, someone does. n/t ProSense Jan 2013 #71
Nope n/t politicasista Jan 2013 #73
Ah, yup! ProSense Jan 2013 #76
Ok. politicasista Jan 2013 #80
They are also upset with politicasista Jan 2013 #69
Why on earth would someone who is a TV host introduce Kerry in the Senate karynnj Jan 2013 #96
It was just a thought politicasista Jan 2013 #99
Nothing he said was at Obama's or Clinton's expense karynnj Jan 2013 #100
That is true politicasista Jan 2013 #101
the two are BFFs. Remember, John Kerry wanted McCain to be his VP in 2004 graham4anything Jan 2013 #42
I had forgotten that... onpatrol98 Jan 2013 #45
McCain is a scum Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #43
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