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farminator3000

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155. no, i'm calling you on your BS. 'guns not kept in homes' certainly applies to the CT shooting

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 12:01 AM

Jan 2013

a bottle will work just as well as a pistol.

no, it won't. how many of these in THE LAST 6 DAYS used other 'weapons' for suicide?

16% of gun owners leave their guns loaded and unlocked

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and it is a lot faster and easier. simple physics, really.

what logic do you use that they DON'T? see the one that says 'leaving only questions'?

last 6 days (partial list)

Washington (DC) Post
Murder-suicide disturbing trend among the elderly
Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:35 PM EST

Phoenix (AZ) azcentral.com -
Police: Laveen deaths likely murder-suicide
Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:07 PM EST

Tampa (FL) Tribune -
Tampa police dispatcher victim of apparent murder-suicide
Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:10 PM EST

Buffalo (NY) WKBW -
93-Year-Old Man Accused of Killing 95-Year-Old Wife in Failed Murder-Suicide, Police Say
Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:21 PM EST

St. Petersburg (FL) Times -
Hillsborough deputies investigating apparent murder-suicide
Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:10 PM EST

Las Vegas (NV) Review-Journal -
Murder-suicide took ’Wonder Woman,’ leaving only questions
Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:19 AM EST

Kansas City (MO) KMBC -
Prosecutors charge husband in murder, attempted suicide
Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:18 PM EST

ABC News-National -
Murder-Suicide Cop Shot Wife, Child in Head
Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:20 AM EST

Kansas City (MO) KCTV -
Police: 1 dead, 1 injured in possible murder, attempted suicide
Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:18 AM EST

Las Vegas (NV) KLAS -
Woman had Affair Months Before Murder-Suicide
Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:19 PM EST

Boston (MA) Globe - Rhode Island - More Headlines
Police: husband called 911 before murder-suicide
Tue Jan 22, 2013 06:25 AM EST

Providence (RI) WJAR
Police: Warwick deaths treated as murder-suicide
Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:25 PM EST

Buffalo (NY) WKBW
Man Kills Estranged Wife, Self in Apparent Murder-Suicide During Daughter’s Birthday Party, Police Say
Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:21 PM EST

Sarasota (FL) Herald-Tribune
Parrish girl, 10, dead after apparent murder-suicide
Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:10 AM EST

Fort Worth (TX) Star-Telegram -
Estranged husband, wife killed in murder-suicide in Grapevine, police say
Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:27 PM EST

Philadelphia (PA) Inquirer -
Two dead in apparent S. Phila. murder-suicide
Sat Jan 19, 2013 03:24 AM EST

Jerusalem Post - Middle East -
Eritrean man nabbed over botched suicide, murder
Sun Jan 13, 2013 09:24 AM EST

Pocatello (ID) Idaho State Journal
Police ID couple in apparent murder-suicide
Sun Jan 6, 2013 5:11 PM EST

Madison (WI) WISC -
Apparent murder-suicide leaves 2 people dead
Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:20 PM EDT

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Guns should not be kept in houses where children are present [View all] Hugabear Jan 2013 OP

My wife's always saying, "When we have kids, you need to sell your guns" OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #1

You do know that safes are not foolproof Hugabear Jan 2013 #3

Hell, a safe can fall through the floor into the living room below... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #126

Sell them and get dirt bikes. Robb Jan 2013 #67

I know a few very wise people who took their guns to family members Warpy Jan 2013 #76

Maybe you could show a bit more concern for your wife's legitimate fears rather than laughing at her Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #151

My dad his guns JustAnotherGen Jan 2013 #2

Same here Go Vols Jan 2013 #6

Pretty much my story also, nick of time Jan 2013 #10

Similar here. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #28

Same for me when growing up in N. Florida. We didn't have cows to feed; maybe that's the diff! Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #127

Same here. My dad and all my friends' dads just kep their rifles sitting in the closet. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #11

And then there's the kids easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #78

and they could just as easily ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2013 #81

Actually, no they could not just as easily do that. easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #95

you are incorrect... ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2013 #98

Do you have a clue how many easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #99

awww... you don't like that someone disagrees with you ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2013 #110

No, ignorant people don't really easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #111

so... you have nothing to add ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2013 #117

you lose that argument farminator3000 Jan 2013 #120

ah... now you're moving the goalposts... ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2013 #122

no, i'm calling you on your BS. 'guns not kept in homes' certainly applies to the CT shooting farminator3000 Jan 2013 #155

two of my classmates did it loyalsister Jan 2013 #83

So you keep rifles in your closet with kids in the house? Hugabear Jan 2013 #89

Yeah, me too. Sissyk Jan 2013 #58

Some folks here not only distrust their kids, they distrust parental upbringing and authority. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #128

we distrust those who pose their babies with guns, who left them unlocked and their kids are dead bettyellen Jan 2013 #133

I don't much care about posing with guns; I think in my distant past, there is one of me... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #146

My dad got rid of his guns when he had kids abelenkpe Jan 2013 #62

How do you "hide [guns] from children?" Well, we didn't. We learned how to use them safely... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #129

Same here... markpkessinger Jan 2013 #69

I grew up around guns MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #71

Same here. nt Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #90

I see JustAnotherGen Jan 2013 #91

No AR 15s, but a ten-shot semi-auto rifle (built in 1905) was in our household... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #130

Same here obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #103

I am looking at all these responses from people saying guns were left in reach of them as children Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #153

i agree, but then i do see that some people will want guns for self -defense samsingh Jan 2013 #4

I grew up with 8 brothers and sisters nick of time Jan 2013 #5

Well that's all fine, and I'm glad you never had any issues Hugabear Jan 2013 #9

I agree that there are too many irresponsible parents out there. nick of time Jan 2013 #13

Maybe they'll chop off my finger in the night... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #48

So? Zoeisright Jan 2013 #52

Small sample size? nick of time Jan 2013 #68

I found it was easier to lock my kids in the gun safe. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #7

When my step son was a teenager, he started sneaking stealing and drinking alcohol... Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #8

When I was a kid, a friend hamburgered himself. Igel Jan 2013 #18

Why Not? subknave Jan 2013 #36

You do not think there should be restrictions on cars, no driving licenses or age restrictions? uppityperson Jan 2013 #42

Because they are inherently dangerous the issue is, are the users responsible Blue4Texas Jan 2013 #55

"You need to justify rights considered inalienable"? Not really. That's why they are inalienable. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #134

another human being besides your own stubborn self, for starters farminator3000 Jan 2013 #142

Inalienable. Speech, RKBA, assembly, etc. No justification needed. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #144

here we have a Senator who also thinks your attitude is "dumb", to quote him farminator3000 Jan 2013 #147

One technical response: we've been in semi-auto stasis for, oh, 75 yrs. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #150

great. so allowing any yahoo to have a semi-auto has gone on for as long as marijuana prohibition farminator3000 Jan 2013 #154

Telling, you should use a prohibition metaphor, but you miss the point... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #159

conjuring new fear? 4 mass shootings since July? hello? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #160

Your post confirms my contention that the selectiin Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #162

you post shows that you get your 'law ideas' from a pro-gun site farminator3000 Jan 2013 #163

So many words, so little addressed. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #165

you've got to read them to catch the meaning of the words. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #167

Sounds like a wise, responsible course of action. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #132

In rural america it has been common to have guns in the house One_Life_To_Give Jan 2013 #12

So Crepuscular Jan 2013 #14

We snuck into our parents liquor cabinet, not the gun cabinet. nick of time Jan 2013 #16

You would bring that up. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #135

You gun lovers never fail to disappoint Hugabear Jan 2013 #20

So Crepuscular Jan 2013 #24

Cars and booze are not designed to kill other people Hugabear Jan 2013 #27

Yet they kill more than guns, every year in the US NickB79 Jan 2013 #31

If the numbers were reversed, would your view change? Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #145

Short answer NO. subknave Jan 2013 #40

To the extent that getting rid of the existing gun laws wouldn't result in an uptick in gun violence onenote Jan 2013 #72

Wrong - there were always plenty of gun laws in the US from the beginning. haele Jan 2013 #75

Not so Crepuscular Jan 2013 #46

While guns are capable of killing people, that is not their only or even primary use onenote Jan 2013 #70

My kids are good... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #49

God, you gun nuts are bad at logical reasoning. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #53

Fail Crepuscular Jan 2013 #60

Thanks Dr. Spock regjoe Jan 2013 #15

Let's just keep them in plastic bubbles until they're 18 NickB79 Jan 2013 #17

When was the last time a kid used cleaning chemicals to kill several people? Hugabear Jan 2013 #21

When was the last time a kid used alcohol to kill several people? NickB79 Jan 2013 #25

And you're so predictable too, in your zeal to ban guns. Bake Jan 2013 #65

So you have "predictable" insults stemming from a "predictable" post? Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #136

Your thought process easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #96

sorry, I think that's ridiculous cali Jan 2013 #19

Maybe we shouldn't have any gun laws at all then Hugabear Jan 2013 #22

you anti-gunners EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #37

Seems to me that gun lovers oppose new gun legislation on that exact basis Hugabear Jan 2013 #41

do you think EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #47

Exactly. Bake Jan 2013 #66

Heres why we oppose many new regulations. beevul Jan 2013 #73

Wow EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #74

here's why we oppose you. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #85

Uh huh. beevul Jan 2013 #100

you are living in a strange world, for sure farminator3000 Jan 2013 #112

Yes, its called reality. Some people like it, others deny its existence. beevul Jan 2013 #116

what a load of hooey farminator3000 Jan 2013 #118

Its been mildly entertaining, watching you prattle ignorantly... beevul Jan 2013 #123

not entertaining at all, you are a NRA drone, wake up and join society-you wouldn't know principles farminator3000 Jan 2013 #125

Your reply title says all we need to know about your approach to debate... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #139

arguing with a fool who is spouting lies doesn't count as debate farminator3000 Jan 2013 #141

Google up Bob Dylan on Guns. Let me know what you think. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #143

he is smart enough to know they are dangerous, i reckon farminator3000 Jan 2013 #148

I agree with him. Celebrity, once again, leaves you with the splendid mundane. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #149

Hardly. I'm just someone that sticks to his principles. beevul Jan 2013 #156

you are sticking to someone else's principles. the NRA's. which is why you look so foolish. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #158

Well, knock one out of the park, next time. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #138

Can you dispute it? subknave Jan 2013 #43

And here I thought we had a major gun violence problem in our country Hugabear Jan 2013 #45

silly shit. Of course reasonable gun laws are in order. It is fucking stupid to cali Jan 2013 #57

Gun owners do not think there should not be laws. Sissyk Jan 2013 #59

But if you don't want what *they* want, they'll claim you don't want ANY. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #86

Right on the money F_I. beevul Jan 2013 #101

And that response is "predictable." Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #137

Sadly, I know dozens and dozens easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #97

There have been guns in the homes of my family for as far back as I can trace back TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #23

They taught us a bit about guns in drug awareness classes LeftInTX Jan 2013 #35

An ounce of prevention beats a pound of cure. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #115

I know I don't want guns in my house when my kids are home. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #26

A gun just does not work for "home defense" when kids are around. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #29

Not really. justanidea Jan 2013 #82

Obama has guns in the white house and he has kids The Straight Story Jan 2013 #30

And everyone who has access to them quaker bill Jan 2013 #80

You need to assess the risk. subknave Jan 2013 #32

We should also lock customers inside movie theaters, grocery stores, malls, etc n/t arcane1 Jan 2013 #33

We are heading there marions ghost Jan 2013 #93

It's no different than guardian Jan 2013 #34

My husband wanted to get a gun, but I refuse to have one in the house with kids. Luciferous Jan 2013 #38

It is all about risk management. ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #39

Best post in the thread obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #104

Nope - they shouldn't Taverner Jan 2013 #44

Never caused a problem in my home growing up RB TexLa Jan 2013 #50

All of these "well, we had guns in my house growing up and we never had a problem" Zoeisright Jan 2013 #51

Sorry you're disturbed by real world experiences, however anecdotal. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2013 #54

Or stairs, or bathtubs, or swimming pools... meaculpa2011 Jan 2013 #157

Your post reminds me of these emails my family forwards abelenkpe Jan 2013 #63

small sample size? ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2013 #77

Thank you for pointing that out. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #87

Or where the mentally ill have access Blue4Texas Jan 2013 #56

My dad had guns in our home since DeadEyeDyck Jan 2013 #61

Your screen name is perfect given your story :) abelenkpe Jan 2013 #64

Risk Crepuscular Jan 2013 #79

Studies show that kids are more at risk for injury or death in the home Politicub Jan 2013 #84

You are right, if you're an idiot. flvegan Jan 2013 #88

Brother kills brother. jambo101 Jan 2013 #92

I had my own wood gun cabinet in my room when I was 10 madville Jan 2013 #94

As a teenager guardian Jan 2013 #113

Concern duly noted. geckosfeet Jan 2013 #102

My son is, by your definition, mentally unstable. He's severely autistic and mentally retarded. Common Sense Party Jan 2013 #105

Guns should not be kept in houses. Kalidurga Jan 2013 #106

and computers shouldn't be kept in houses with idiots either.... texasmomof3 Jan 2013 #107

I grew up with guns. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #108

Responsible parents should consider making their homes gun free ... spin Jan 2013 #109

i nominate you as the coolest gun owner on this board! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #119

Thanks for your support. ... spin Jan 2013 #121

Pools should not be allowed in neighborhoods where children are present. eqfan592 Jan 2013 #114

I take plenty of measure to keep my guns safe from my children. ileus Jan 2013 #124

I'm far from a gunner, but that's too much BainsBane Jan 2013 #131

what up, dude? it is too much, but what we have now isn't enough... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #166

so make it a felony to keep a gun unsecured. BainsBane Jan 2013 #168

i'm not saying i agree with the OP totally. but be idealistic for a minute... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #169

smart guns would be good BainsBane Jan 2013 #170

ya, there's an irish dude seems to have the things ready to go farminator3000 Jan 2013 #171

You need to ask the NRA for more pay! whistler162 Jan 2013 #140

I'm all in favor of gun depots where owners can store their guns when not in use Cleita Jan 2013 #152

How kind of you to dictate how others' must live chloes1 Jan 2013 #161

Since when is stating a point of view "dictating" or acting like "God"? MH1 Jan 2013 #164