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Th1onein

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135. Thank you, Hermes Daughter

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 01:11 AM

Jan 2013

It confounds me that the Democratic Party, in most things, is a party that values life, and yet, on this one issue, it does not. It is an inconsistency that I do not understand.

I am a lifelong liberal, and a lifelong Democrat. I raise money for my party, and I raise votes for it, as well. I joined the IWW in college and remain a loyal member. I am also agnostic, bordering on atheist. I just disagree, and for what I consider good reasons, on this one issue, with the Democratic platform.

I think that our country is in danger of being taken over by corporatists, and that we must come together, as a people, to take it back. This issue is one that divides us and will continue to do so unless we can begin to talk to each other about it in a rational manner. I have to say, I've not seen much rationality here, when it comes to abortion.

I believe that we can do better--after all, we are Democrats.

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What is the real reason that rethugs are anti-abortion? I don't accept that they care about the [View all] mfcorey1 Jan 2013 OP

they are terrified of the white race becoming a minority 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #1

I agree that this is part of it. LisaLynne Jan 2013 #7

That's only true of some. caseymoz Jan 2013 #14

I think most anti-abortion types are aware that abortion is quite common across the board. reformist2 Jan 2013 #132

I believe most of it... NCTraveler Jan 2013 #2

Me too War Horse Jan 2013 #9

Absolutely. appleannie1 Jan 2013 #13

Ding, ding, ding. hifiguy Jan 2013 #101

I agree. In patriarchal cultures, which is pretty much all cultures to one degree or another, Raksha Jan 2013 #127

It's a power trip for them, much as with a rapist or a molester. They want to dominate a RKP5637 Jan 2013 #131

Almost solely about this Aerows Jan 2013 #143

They need a lot of young strong able bodied men and women nykym Jan 2013 #3

Some people operate on the following principle jberryhill Jan 2013 #4

Yes. Bible thumpers (most) have latched onto "the good" immoderate Jan 2013 #102

You definitely have a point! Raksha Jan 2013 #128

Cribbed from the Haj ritual... jberryhill Jan 2013 #134

Well said!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #133

Votes... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #5

Easy. Fix The Stupid Jan 2013 #6

To a man it's a "wedge" issue. To a woman it is a matter of life and death. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #36

And that is exactly my point... Fix The Stupid Jan 2013 #48

They believe men should have dominion over women's bodies. JaneQPublic Jan 2013 #8

Because They are the human equivalent or manifestation ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #10

I'm not a rethug, but I'm anti-abortion Th1onein Jan 2013 #11

I understand being anti-abortion, but leftynyc Jan 2013 #15

No, she's not. She posts on conservative forums Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #27

EXCUSE ME? Th1onein Jan 2013 #31

Understood but that didn't answer my question leftynyc Jan 2013 #32

No, I am not pro-choice. Th1onein Jan 2013 #35

Do you think the government has the right to force a woman to be pregnant against her will? n/t cynatnite Jan 2013 #50

I believe that someone has to enforce the law. And that we should outlaw abortion. Th1onein Jan 2013 #60

Forcing women to be pregnant against their will is abhorent... cynatnite Jan 2013 #65

I disagree with you. Th1onein Jan 2013 #68

Your line of thinking is a direct path back to those days... cynatnite Jan 2013 #70

Once again, I disagree with you. Th1onein Jan 2013 #71

Outlawing abortion is a step back...forcing women to be pregnant against their will is a step back.. cynatnite Jan 2013 #73

"the most extremist anti-choicers....." "believe that pile of garbage" Not incendiary? Th1onein Jan 2013 #94

your definition of a human being? Bradical79 Jan 2013 #74

I believe that life begins at conception. Th1onein Jan 2013 #95

The discussion on ensoulment has been going on for quite some time. It is not over. MissMarple Jan 2013 #115

But you would force rape victims to carry their fetus to term? proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #81

Of course she shouldn't have carried it to term. And the fact that you would ask that means Th1onein Jan 2013 #96

You are taking... Hermes Daughter Jan 2013 #126

Thank you, Hermes Daughter Th1onein Jan 2013 #135

The Supreme Court has ruled on this, so your personal declarations are irrelevant. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #117

So? REP Jan 2013 #119

To quote redqueen in another thread: Lady Freedom Returns Jan 2013 #123

EEEEK!!!!!! Who let YOU in? Warpy Jan 2013 #125

Sex is fun. People like sex. Mistakes are made. We have the natural right of autonomy over Zorra Jan 2013 #139

Your position to outlaw abortion would result in the death of women, it would not 'save their life' Spazito Jan 2013 #91

Don't you feel that there is something else in this picture? Th1onein Jan 2013 #97

If there were no poverty, the world was full of unicorns and rainbows... Spazito Jan 2013 #99

My focus IS SPENT on trying to creat the world that I want. Th1onein Jan 2013 #100

"I don't know what the penalty should be..." Spazito Jan 2013 #103

You have a right to your opinion, even if it is factually wrong. Th1onein Jan 2013 #108

You have a right to do with your body what you will... Spazito Jan 2013 #111

You do understand that to someone who is pro-life, the child's right to life trumps your right to Th1onein Jan 2013 #112

Actually, it does not trump my right at all... Spazito Jan 2013 #114

Like going to a bar that allows smoking vs one that does not? The Straight Story Jan 2013 #136

Huh? Spazito Jan 2013 #142

but you still want to force a woman to have a child she does not want fizzgig Jan 2013 #105

Yes. I do. Because I think that the child that she is carrying has a right to life. Th1onein Jan 2013 #109

i would have an abortion no matter of my financial situation fizzgig Jan 2013 #104

You know, if you want to get inflammatory, it solves nothing. Th1onein Jan 2013 #110

You really think it comes down to just MONEY??? REP Jan 2013 #120

Dang! I thought I put you on ignore a long time ago, REP. Let me go ahead and get that done. nt Th1onein Jan 2013 #122

sorry, but an anti-choicer will never be my "sister". NEVER. cali Jan 2013 #75

If you do not support a woman's right to choose, you are not left wing. EOTE Jan 2013 #88

<rolls eyes> Hermes Daughter Jan 2013 #130

My name is not Cali, but I stand by what I say. EOTE Jan 2013 #144

You are not my 'sister' and Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #90

Oy vey. a la izquierda Jan 2013 #92

Oh yeah? Here are your buddies on the conservativecave.com talking about your anti-choice posts: Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #45

Did you actually READ the posts that you are referring to? Th1onein Jan 2013 #46

+++1 patrice Jan 2013 #80

If a fetus cannot survive outside of the womb nobodyspecial Jan 2013 #16

Control of a woman's body and cheap labor ck4829 Jan 2013 #12

It would not matter if it was the Devil appleannie1 Jan 2013 #17

Each birth could be the Second Coming Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #18

Heh! ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #24

They might run out of cannon fodder for their wars. Eom elfin Jan 2013 #19

To get the Religious Right's vote 1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #20

Two reasons. caseymoz Jan 2013 #21

what a great point dhol82 Jan 2013 #30

Remember when Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell Mariana Jan 2013 #33

guess it never occurred to me dhol82 Jan 2013 #37

Yes, and they look for the judgment of God. caseymoz Jan 2013 #49

In addition to all of that... 2naSalit Jan 2013 #78

You're right, except that depends on the sect. caseymoz Jan 2013 #93

Ohhhh, that's way more advanced than what 2naSalit Jan 2013 #106

The Catholic Church "clarified" their position since. caseymoz Jan 2013 #118

Yup, I got the 2naSalit Jan 2013 #121

Interesting. NOLALady Jan 2013 #84

Bingo sikofit3 Jan 2013 #89

they don't believe barbtries Jan 2013 #22

^^^this^^^ Freddie Jan 2013 #56

Fundraising WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #23

I don't believe for a nanosecond that the "pro-life" movement wants Roe V Wade Boomerproud Jan 2013 #107

Oppression of women KamaAina Jan 2013 #25

Control of the wimmenfolk. It's as simple as that. Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #26

Disenfranchisement of half the population. madamesilverspurs Jan 2013 #28

'Eggers'!! Zoeisright Jan 2013 #62

The birth of Patriarchy was the discovery of the co-occurrence of copulation libdem4life Jan 2013 #29

Sluts need to be punished with the burden of a child they are unable to care for. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #34

The Above RobinA Jan 2013 #76

Normally these freaks would just stone the slut to death, but now there are laws kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #82

Simple: punish women for enjoying sex Taverner Jan 2013 #38

Right. We are pro-choice in the sense that we believe that it's the individual woman's xxxsdesdexxx Jan 2013 #39

They make obscene amounts of money for their campaigns. n/t Still Sensible Jan 2013 #40

Wedge issue to insure votes/money from religious fundamentalists wishlist Jan 2013 #41

It's about punishing women for having sex. JoeyT Jan 2013 #42

many reasons; it's very much overdetermined. 0rganism Jan 2013 #43

Sex is bad. Women must pay. DirkGently Jan 2013 #44

Control of women + self-serving faux morality. moondust Jan 2013 #47

sparkly things SmileyRose Jan 2013 #51

ABSOLUTELY! Th1onein Jan 2013 #141

For many of them, especially the women....it is about the fetus... cynatnite Jan 2013 #52

There is no money in it. Glassunion Jan 2013 #53

Misconceptions elleng Jan 2013 #54

apt title handmade34 Jan 2013 #113

Basically, they're weenie men who fear women Warpy Jan 2013 #55

Fewer white babies quaker bill Jan 2013 #57

They don't like women having that much power or freedom treestar Jan 2013 #58

Natalism. They consider high birth rates a good thing. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #59

Hatred of women, obsessive need for control, Zoeisright Jan 2013 #61

More young bodies for the War Machine AnnieBW Jan 2013 #63

I've always wondered the same thing...so I'm of no help. It confounds me? Auntie Bush Jan 2013 #64

I think that Rwers Broken_Hero Jan 2013 #66

Patriarchy... ljm2002 Jan 2013 #67

You're looking for logic where there is none Nevernose Jan 2013 #69

I think you hit it on the nose, Nevernose. randome Jan 2013 #72

It's an appeal to the Christian Right and an attempt to assert control over women Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #77

Money Still Sensible Jan 2013 #79

To fool christians into voting for them AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #83

I'm not sure if the GOP is genuinely anti abortion rickjliberal1946sef Jan 2013 #85

It's not about abortion, it's about absolute power and control. Initech Jan 2013 #86

It's a get out of jail card booley Jan 2013 #87

Not all opposed to abortion per se are republicans Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #98

Sanctimoniousness and domination demwing Jan 2013 #116

Misogyny. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #124

They have a stone age morality that tells them man is a fallen and sinful creature. Exultant Democracy Jan 2013 #129

cheap labor larwdem Jan 2013 #137

some truly believe that a fetus is a person and abortion is murder. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #138

I believe it's so they can control women. Apophis Jan 2013 #140