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In reply to the discussion: Judge who ruled Obama violated constitution has history of right wing judicial activism [View all]graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Nixon sabatoged LBJ's peace talks
Bush/Reagan sabatoged Jimmy Carter's hostage release (and who knows, some say the helicopters themselves were sabatoged by friends)
John Anderson ran 3rd party and took 7 percent (mostly from democratic side)
Fracture between the party
NEVER again on any of these three
we should never have a primary season again, we should know going in who is the candidate
we should never have anyone with democratic goals in mind voting for those that will not caucus with us, or will cause enough voters to leave (ala Nader causing 10 million to stay at home saying both the same, don't bother)
we should (and now it will) be evident if there are dirty tricks/sabatoge
(ala the recount stopped by professional republican agitators, NOT common people protesting.)
Reagan was elected (VERY CLOSE ELECTION up til the last week and popular vote not that great though electoral was).
Those that sold LBJ and Jimmy down the river, well we got Nixon/Reagan/Ford/Bush/Bush and Jeb is waiting in the wings
Those have themselves to blame.
To protest a vote gets Reagan
and judges like this
and corporate personhood from judges like Roberts and Alito
Did you expect the other side to care about what we want?
(do we care what they want?)
you gotta play the game and you gotta be on the game 24/7/365
(for those that say, let's hold off talking about 2016 til 2015...yeah, the repubs already know what they want in 2013,14,15,and 2016
no, let's not hold off.
let's get the game fully played out before it happens
with a victory to continue Barack Obama's first two terms in 2016.(Hillary45).
because it has to be a landslide
and we have to win back the courts, win back the house, keep the senate and win the governorships
the democrats did NOT lose to MORE republicans voting.
They lose when they sit at home, or vote for candidates who CANNOT win as a protest
(and don't caucus) including Meeks in Florida. He never stood a chance and was not put up as a realistic candidate because the ones that could have did not run that year.That is why Crist in Florida was the rare exception because he could have won with full democratic support, as he was the reason they put up Meeks knowing Meeks couldn't beat Charlie.
They just didn't expect Rubio to slander Charlie and win. No one expected that that year.
other than a rare time like that NEVER vote for a Nader, a Perot or a Paul or a John Anderson.
those voters got what they deserved. and should be banished from whining.
BTW-
Nixon said anything a President does is legal (unless someone says it is not).
Well, a judge appointed by Reagan did what a judge appointed by Reagan would do.
He said it is not.
Will SCOTUS themselves take this case and rule?
Will they rule the same?
Will they rule different?
Interesting other take on this- IF the judges rule with this, in the long run, it could work to the advantage IF the other side has the senate/house.
In effect, this could actually give a President more power to work with, (once the courts switch sides.)
Could this be another President Obama rope-the-dopes?
Or is this a time where well, it was tried and anyhow, the recess is a temp position to start off with, so not too much damage done.
INTERESTING other take too-
what if President Obama had recessed appointed Warren and that was tossed, but she had not run for office because the timing was different?
In the end, with Elizabeth Warren, can anyone say that President Obama did not rope the dopes again with what he magnificently did for her and for us and the country?
which is why even on issues where I might disagree with a personality, in the back of my mind,
I do try to hold to the philosophy that President Obama and his ten step ahead program
knows what he is doing and has played the game better than anyone ever.
(so while the JKerry sitatation galls me, I do think somehow, using his 10 step ahead, Mass.
will be better off in the long run, we may just not see it for a while, especially now that Kerry will be in, there was no war during Hillary's run, and any war will now be blamed on him and not her, looking ahead to 2016, that is a wonderful advantage President Obama gave us).