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graham4anything

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26. Sabatoge, 3rd party John Anderson and fracture allowed Reagan in
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 04:44 AM
Jan 2013

Nixon sabatoged LBJ's peace talks
Bush/Reagan sabatoged Jimmy Carter's hostage release (and who knows, some say the helicopters themselves were sabatoged by friends)

John Anderson ran 3rd party and took 7 percent (mostly from democratic side)

Fracture between the party

NEVER again on any of these three

we should never have a primary season again, we should know going in who is the candidate
we should never have anyone with democratic goals in mind voting for those that will not caucus with us, or will cause enough voters to leave (ala Nader causing 10 million to stay at home saying both the same, don't bother)
we should (and now it will) be evident if there are dirty tricks/sabatoge
(ala the recount stopped by professional republican agitators, NOT common people protesting.)

Reagan was elected (VERY CLOSE ELECTION up til the last week and popular vote not that great though electoral was).

Those that sold LBJ and Jimmy down the river, well we got Nixon/Reagan/Ford/Bush/Bush and Jeb is waiting in the wings

Those have themselves to blame.
To protest a vote gets Reagan

and judges like this
and corporate personhood from judges like Roberts and Alito

Did you expect the other side to care about what we want?
(do we care what they want?)

you gotta play the game and you gotta be on the game 24/7/365
(for those that say, let's hold off talking about 2016 til 2015...yeah, the repubs already know what they want in 2013,14,15,and 2016

no, let's not hold off.

let's get the game fully played out before it happens
with a victory to continue Barack Obama's first two terms in 2016.(Hillary45).

because it has to be a landslide

and we have to win back the courts, win back the house, keep the senate and win the governorships

the democrats did NOT lose to MORE republicans voting.
They lose when they sit at home, or vote for candidates who CANNOT win as a protest
(and don't caucus) including Meeks in Florida. He never stood a chance and was not put up as a realistic candidate because the ones that could have did not run that year.That is why Crist in Florida was the rare exception because he could have won with full democratic support, as he was the reason they put up Meeks knowing Meeks couldn't beat Charlie.
They just didn't expect Rubio to slander Charlie and win. No one expected that that year.

other than a rare time like that NEVER vote for a Nader, a Perot or a Paul or a John Anderson.

those voters got what they deserved. and should be banished from whining.

BTW-
Nixon said anything a President does is legal (unless someone says it is not).

Well, a judge appointed by Reagan did what a judge appointed by Reagan would do.
He said it is not.

Will SCOTUS themselves take this case and rule?
Will they rule the same?
Will they rule different?

Interesting other take on this- IF the judges rule with this, in the long run, it could work to the advantage IF the other side has the senate/house.
In effect, this could actually give a President more power to work with, (once the courts switch sides.)

Could this be another President Obama rope-the-dopes?
Or is this a time where well, it was tried and anyhow, the recess is a temp position to start off with, so not too much damage done.

INTERESTING other take too-
what if President Obama had recessed appointed Warren and that was tossed, but she had not run for office because the timing was different?

In the end, with Elizabeth Warren, can anyone say that President Obama did not rope the dopes again with what he magnificently did for her and for us and the country?

which is why even on issues where I might disagree with a personality, in the back of my mind,
I do try to hold to the philosophy that President Obama and his ten step ahead program
knows what he is doing and has played the game better than anyone ever.
(so while the JKerry sitatation galls me, I do think somehow, using his 10 step ahead, Mass.
will be better off in the long run, we may just not see it for a while, especially now that Kerry will be in, there was no war during Hillary's run, and any war will now be blamed on him and not her, looking ahead to 2016, that is a wonderful advantage President Obama gave us).

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Oh, wonderful. CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2013 #1
Can't this decision be appealed? nt brush Jan 2013 #17
Of course it can . Igel Jan 2013 #21
David Sentelle is the poster boy for right wing judicial activism. Historic NY Jan 2013 #2
This was not ONE JUDGE, this was a unanimous decision of a 3-judge panel. elleng Jan 2013 #3
Sentelle was the senior judge. All 3 were republican appointees and the 3rd judge didn't affirm the okaawhatever Jan 2013 #4
Any judge a Bush recess appointee? no_hypocrisy Jan 2013 #5
recess appointments only last until the end of the next session of Congress onenote Jan 2013 #7
Cordray has just been nominated again by Obama n/t malaise Jan 2013 #28
Correct. Unfortunately, that doesn't extend his appointment onenote Jan 2013 #32
I Researched That DallasNE Jan 2013 #20
Thanks for the answer. no_hypocrisy Jan 2013 #30
Just ignore the ruling and do it anyway bluestateguy Jan 2013 #6
The court's order vacates a single decision onenote Jan 2013 #9
OMG! freshwest Jan 2013 #8
A good friend of moman Jan 2013 #10
This is what the constitution says on that Old Codger Jan 2013 #11
Is he 100 years old yet? Reagan appointed him? marble falls Jan 2013 #12
He's 69. He was appointed by Reagan in 1987 when he was 43. onenote Jan 2013 #33
He could be on the bench 10 or more years. marble falls Jan 2013 #34
Whatever... SoapBox Jan 2013 #13
kick samsingh Jan 2013 #14
That Ken Starr business was particularly nasty starroute Jan 2013 #15
And a little more starroute Jan 2013 #16
Wow, read the whole article. It seems like the federalist society was the early tea party. nt okaawhatever Jan 2013 #18
recess Takket Jan 2013 #19
There are three "actors" involved. Igel Jan 2013 #22
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2013 #23
This was an easy one to call. No Repub judge was going to turn on Bush and no Dem DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #24
Personally, I am shocked by this! Ian Iam Jan 2013 #25
Sabatoge, 3rd party John Anderson and fracture allowed Reagan in graham4anything Jan 2013 #26
I agree with your position on how we need to get our act together now. I'm starting to work on that okaawhatever Jan 2013 #27
So every president from George Washington B Calm Jan 2013 #29
No surprise here. n/t AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #31
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