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SQUEE

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84. I would love to dialog, but not with those that want to ban everythig

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 01:32 PM

Jan 2013

I am in huge agreement on safe and effective storage, I am required by law due to the nature of some of my firearms.
Open NICS to private citizens, and prosecute those that do not practice due diligence on FTF sales.
State provided classes on the laws and even for technical proficiency that are not used as NRA recruitment fests.
Require firearm insurance, one that is affordable and not a back door type of restriction due to inflated costs.
I do not find it unreasonable to expect people to take responsibility for the disposition of their guns.
A tax rebate or lowered insurance being good ways to get people to lock their shit up, be financially covered to defray societies costs, and become skilled and educated on the tools they have. these are things I can get behind..
AND enforce current laws.
Freedom entails certain responsibilities.

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Gun control: Japan has it right [View all] UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 OP

This Would Be A Step In The Right Direction For America cantbeserious Jan 2013 #1

Yeah, pipoman Jan 2013 #2

Every Journey begins With The First Step - It Only Takes Courage - Are We Lacking Such Courage? cantbeserious Jan 2013 #6

And 'will'...the 'will' doesn't exist in many parts of the country..and certainly not 3/4.. pipoman Jan 2013 #7

Pessimism Never Achieves Anything - Because Pessimists Never Take The First Step cantbeserious Jan 2013 #8

Pessimism is no kin to unwillingness based on philosophical disagreement.. pipoman Jan 2013 #9

Unwillingness Is Kin To Defeatism Which Is Spawned By Pessimism cantbeserious Jan 2013 #10

Nonsense..I'm not unwilling for fear of defeat pipoman Jan 2013 #11

This Is Not About You - This Is About America And Protecting The Lives Of Our Children cantbeserious Jan 2013 #12

It's about 3/4 of the states agreeing...not gonna happen any time soon.. pipoman Jan 2013 #14

More Pessimism And Defeatism cantbeserious Jan 2013 #15

It's a standard NRA talking point. DanTex Jan 2013 #26

So Pipoman, myself and millions of others aren't also America? SQUEE Jan 2013 #30

Attacking The Messenger - How Fitting A Discussion Tactic cantbeserious Jan 2013 #31

one problem, you are not my messenger. SQUEE Jan 2013 #32

You haven't even attempted to argue the main point, which is that Japan is doing DanTex Jan 2013 #34

I can as I go to the range with my friends next weekend SQUEE Jan 2013 #36

"It's in the constitution" doesn't mean it's a good thing. That's simply a dodge. DanTex Jan 2013 #44

as long as it is I will enjoy it SQUEE Jan 2013 #47

Again proving my point... DanTex Jan 2013 #72

I do not support unfettered access. SQUEE Jan 2013 #74

You Attacked My User Name - Ad Hominen Attacks Are Against DU Rules cantbeserious Jan 2013 #37

as a "delicate flower, with a tiny member, clutching my precious .. SQUEE Jan 2013 #43

Ad Hominen Attacks Are Against DU Rules - Go Read Them For YourSelf cantbeserious Jan 2013 #57

I dont see it as one, you disagree.. SQUEE Jan 2013 #63

You Denigrated My Choice Of User Name - Did I Denigrate Your User Name Or Your Choice Of Avatar? cantbeserious Jan 2013 #66

did I, dont see it but if you feel that I do appolgize. SQUEE Jan 2013 #69

In A Democracy - Choices Are Made - Some Individuals Win, Others Lose cantbeserious Jan 2013 #38

Good to know SQUEE Jan 2013 #41

Eradicating Guns From Society Is A Long-Term Proposition - As Is Said, Rome Was Not Built In A Day cantbeserious Jan 2013 #56

And not everyone is in agreement with your plans for the Circus Maximus SQUEE Jan 2013 #60

My Plans Are Not The Point - It Matters Entirely What Choices A Society Makes cantbeserious Jan 2013 #64

Agreed, now take your ideas to America, and get the votes to overturn the Second SQUEE Jan 2013 #68

America Must Choose How Safe It Wants To Be cantbeserious Jan 2013 #134

And the idea of a Constitutional Republic is that it protects the rights of minorities NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #67

GO. AWAY. n/t. apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #94

no. SQUEE Jan 2013 #100

Yes. You're going to be shown the door eventually, in any event. You are no more a "progressive" apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #101

propaganda, I have no propaganda, and have even adressed, many times .. SQUEE Jan 2013 #104

Baloney. But you go right on spewing NRA talking points - it'll catch to you up eventually. n/t. apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #106

pessimism prevents wrong steps. tomp Jan 2013 #20

Protecting Our Children Could Never Be A Wrong Step cantbeserious Jan 2013 #25

Your comment is exactly why many Bay Boy Jan 2013 #54

Societies Must Choose Sometimes - In That Choice, Some Will Win And Some Will Lose cantbeserious Jan 2013 #62

Many gun owners do believe in gun control Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2013 #83

We didn't need to rewrite the 2nd Amendment UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #18

There is quite a difference between banning machine guns, and having regulations similar to japan. Travis_0004 Jan 2013 #27

Just because Republicans and Blue Dogs won't pass something UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #28

How would this be unconstitutional? Your right isn't being violated, its just regulating the militi rbixby Jan 2013 #29

Because current SCOTUS precedent protects an individual right to keep arms... dairydog91 Jan 2013 #39

So the right should be given to the insane, the criminals, the irresponsible? rbixby Jan 2013 #45

Felons and the insane lose that right through Due Process of law NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #50

So then we should just arm everyone rbixby Jan 2013 #131

not sure how you arrived at that conclusion from my statement. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #133

I just wonder rbixby Jan 2013 #137

You make a lot of baseless assumptions about me. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #138

Essentially you don't NEED your guns then rbixby Jan 2013 #142

How does hassling me improve public safety? NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #143

I'm not quite sure how regulating and making sure you're being responsible rbixby Jan 2013 #144

That fallacious thinking doesn't work on a Liberal. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #147

I'm just thinking of a good way to reduce the number of guns we have in this country rbixby Jan 2013 #148

SCOTUS can overrule itself SWTORFanatic Jan 2013 #149

Machine guns legaleagle_45 Jan 2013 #82

And the standard which has become SCOTUS pipoman Jan 2013 #126

GO. AWAY. n/t. apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #95

No. pipoman Jan 2013 #125

Vastly different culture though. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #3

So, because Medieval Japan limited the possession of arms to the aristocracy baldguy Jan 2013 #4

I'm saying our cultures are different. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #5

Which is a shame. Japan has strong unions, an equitable distribution of income and an effective pampango Jan 2013 #19

true. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #23

Medieval Japan legaleagle_45 Jan 2013 #89

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #17

Comparing the Japanese to mindless lemmings? baldguy Jan 2013 #21

Nationality =/= Race Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #71

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #96

You have some... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #119

No thanks. Im good. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #16

The Japanese aren't into authoritarianism either. Chef Eric Jan 2013 #22

Their culture still shows many signs of their authoritarian past. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #24

I am aware of Japan's insularity and homogeneousness. Chef Eric Jan 2013 #51

It's a little simplistic, no doubt the preferred political thought mode of today... NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #53

I never argued that we could implement Japan's laws here. Chef Eric Jan 2013 #58

Given that their legal and political structure is not authoritarian any more... NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #61

I'm widely known for my fair points. nt Chef Eric Jan 2013 #65

GO. AWAY. n/t. apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #97

See, authoritarianism. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #132

No thanks, I'll keep my rights. ileus Jan 2013 #33

The right to be murdered or terrorized with a gun? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #35

like Mexico. SQUEE Jan 2013 #40

Murdered with guns pouring in from the US. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #46

oooh wrong answer, full autos are not sold at WalMart or gunshows SQUEE Jan 2013 #48

So no guns flood into Mexico from the US? UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #52

Flood? SQUEE Jan 2013 #55

Guns in Mexico traced to U.S. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #70

How many were legally bought by the Mexican military and law enforcement? SQUEE Jan 2013 #73

Yeah, let's just make things up as we go along. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #77

Things like machine guns bought at gun shows in America and shipped south. SQUEE Jan 2013 #80

England? Ian Iam Jan 2013 #76

there are no violent murders in England? SQUEE Jan 2013 #79

Not at the level that obtains here Ian Iam Jan 2013 #81

so we quibble over numbers SQUEE Jan 2013 #85

A simple question Ian Iam Jan 2013 #86

Nope the right to protect and save lives. ileus Jan 2013 #128

You're going to get new sensible gun laws whether you want them or not, sport. apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #98

There will be a law... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #111

Hopefully the regressives won't win a total victory. ileus Jan 2013 #130

What I've said all along is if law enforcement did their job and had the resources to do so, tarheelsunc Jan 2013 #42

I don't even think that is necessary Mutiny In Heaven Jan 2013 #49

Excellent post. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #75

I would love to dialog, but not with those that want to ban everythig SQUEE Jan 2013 #84

Excellent. (nt) Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #113

Just want to clarify this: Mutiny In Heaven Jan 2013 #93

good ideas in Japan samsingh Jan 2013 #59

I'd rather not model our laws on those created by a culture Glassunion Jan 2013 #78

The Ainu.. SQUEE Jan 2013 #88

The Japanese experienced **no looting** after their tsunami. dkf Jan 2013 #87

Most of the looting after our "tsunami" was for food, etc., or in unoccupied stores. Hoyt Jan 2013 #90

If they won't take your food when they are hungry they won't take your property. dkf Jan 2013 #91

Maybe when folks stop arming up, practicing to shoot people, playing cowboy, etc., Hoyt Jan 2013 #92

The thread in Meta the day you get PPR'd is going to be a sweet one to celebrate in. apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #105

I'm not pro NRA. No guns, not a member. dkf Jan 2013 #123

Good OP (Rec), but it gets quite tiresome seeing DU's gun trolls arrive to hijack it with their NRA apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #99

And yet, I do none of those things. SQUEE Jan 2013 #102

Yes, you do - you've littered this thread with obnoxious NRA talking points and garbage. apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #103

You accuse, now point out where I am not honest. SQUEE Jan 2013 #107

You go right on spewing NRA talking points and lies - it'll catch to you up eventually. n/t. apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #108

So, you have nothing? SQUEE Jan 2013 #109

You go right on spewing NRA talking points and lies - it'll catch to you up eventually. n/t. apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #110

How convenient. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #112

Baloney - they've been labeled for precisely what they are: pro-NRA talking points and right-wing apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #114

Pure comedy gold. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #115

That indeed is what your replies in this thread have been - and pretty much everwhere else apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #116

"IKYABWAI" Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #117

Uh-huh. apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #120

You can pretend all you like... Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #121

Indeed. Apophis Jan 2013 #118

Japan experienced real tyranny--the kind that China has now-- Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2013 #122

the Japanese are right BainsBane Jan 2013 #124

I want a better world, nobody said it would be easy. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2013 #127

As I understand it, here's the whole process for owning a gun in Japan derby378 Jan 2013 #129

Sounds Sensible And A Step In The Right Direction cantbeserious Jan 2013 #135

One step? sir pball Jan 2013 #145

For America That Is A Country Level Call cantbeserious Jan 2013 #146

You've hit the nail on the head. baldguy Jan 2013 #136

Human beings, however, are pattern-seeking individuals derby378 Jan 2013 #139

James Holmes (Aurora) purchased his weapons legally. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #140

I thought he faked the background check? derby378 Jan 2013 #141