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graham4anything

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62. in the NY/NJ area there are tolls all over. EZ pass.They already have these things

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 01:43 PM

Jan 2013

cell phones are traceable

and Ron Paul wanted a camera in every bedroom except theirs

a doctor with sanctuary in a church, should indded have the right to NOT be shot dead in a church to exact political change.

thousands of people paraded with their guns in 2010 outside town halls and meetings
and a judge and Rep. Giffords was shot in a supermarket by one of them.

What about the constitutional rights of hte judge and Rep. Giffords to a peaceful assembly and life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
The judge is dead and Rep. Giffords, an up and coming star in the democratic party
(and possible senate choice in the future) is now out of office because of her injuries.

Would have loved to have MORE camaera in New Orleans during Katrina and especially on
Danzinger Bridge BEFORE the cops now in jail did what they did.

all this not wanting cameras? For what? theoreticals?

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Game to destroy CCTV cameras: vandalism or valid protest? [View all] DainBramaged Jan 2013 OP

I would toss them in jail. graham4anything Jan 2013 #1

-1 blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #3

Hitler would have purely loved him some security cameras Fumesucker Jan 2013 #5

The STASI of East Germany loved any form of surveillance they could dream up. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #61

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm DainBramaged Jan 2013 #10

But who is the brick, and who is the wall? graham4anything Jan 2013 #12

I don't know, but your posts in this thread are making me want to get a closer look to find out Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #47

Not surprising that you're all for the National Surveillance State. MadHound Jan 2013 #19

'dey're like HEETLER!' No surprise from you. nt Union Scribe Jan 2013 #28

Hitler? Seriously? Do you really think Hitler would oppose government surveillance? Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #45

HOw can disabling spy cams lead to mass deaths???? dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #46

They are security cameras. They are to stop terrorism and crime graham4anything Jan 2013 #66

How does a camera STOP crime? dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #74

By deterrence jberryhill Jan 2013 #104

Cameras don't STOP crime. And Hitler would have LOVED to have them to kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #155

Long live the state right? Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #56

I wouldn't toss them in jail. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #60

You're quite the silly little cartoon, aren't you? nt Codeine Jan 2013 #76

You are spectacular proof of how easy it is to game this board whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #85

+ a shitload Systematic Chaos Jan 2013 #110

+ extra cheese chollybocker Jan 2013 #126

Of course you would :) idwiyo Jan 2013 #91

lol fishwax Jan 2013 #125

And I imagine you approve of driving Aaron Swartz to suicide. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #131

I'm pretty sure Hitler would have tossed camera smashers in jail Dead_Parrot Jan 2013 #135

Move to the UK, you'll LOVE it there.. sir pball Jan 2013 #151

One World, under surveillance. blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #2

Depends on if they get caught or not if I were on a jury they would walk stultusporcos Jan 2013 #4

Would you believe I back Control over Kaos. graham4anything Jan 2013 #6

A national security state is a one way ratchet.. Fumesucker Jan 2013 #8

Please ignore all my posts, I was not talking to you stultusporcos Jan 2013 #9

I don't ignore anybody. Feel free to ignore me. graham4anything Jan 2013 #11

Cameras make you safe DainBramaged Jan 2013 #13

cameras though will show the cops or Paul Blart Zimmermans, were wrong ala Rodney King graham4anything Jan 2013 #14

Johannes Meserle has been out of prison for quite a while for shooting a handcuffed man in the back Fumesucker Jan 2013 #15

without the camera, there might have been zero time. graham4anything Jan 2013 #33

The point is that cops can murder someone on camera and get away with it Fumesucker Jan 2013 #37

Charmin with aloe. They already know I use that. graham4anything Jan 2013 #54

Well, we just had 20 first graders and six teachers slaughtered Fumesucker Jan 2013 #57

Because of a gun and a bullet. We need MORE security and new laws to ban all guns from street graham4anything Jan 2013 #58

Internal passports, that's what we need Fumesucker Jan 2013 #59

in the NY/NJ area there are tolls all over. EZ pass.They already have these things graham4anything Jan 2013 #62

You want more checkpoints and metal detectors? I don't want to live in your America Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #69

gun control don't work because of legal guns. All major mass shootings are legal guns. graham4anything Jan 2013 #70

As I said I support gun control, what I do not support is the mass surveillance you are proposing Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #71

It works in Israel, another democracy that has problems.And it works at airports now. graham4anything Jan 2013 #72

If it is working so well in Israel then I wonder why I hear so much about violence over there Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #73

then even more security is needed graham4anything Jan 2013 #83

I really don't think my friend would agree with you that more security would have saved his cousins Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #84

I don't play gotcha games or setups graham4anything Jan 2013 #87

That was not a gotcha, it was a fact Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #90

Wow... im1013 Jan 2013 #105

Damn EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #127

Why stop with public places? Far too many violent crimes take place inside private homes. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #161

Hyperbole graham4anything Jan 2013 #163

Love how you are trying to weasel your way out of this. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #165

I already answered this yesterday graham4anything Jan 2013 #166

"if one is then not doing anything wrong, one has nothing to fear" Union Scribe Jan 2013 #30

There is no amount of state authority too much for this one. X_Digger Jan 2013 #68

You must really hate living in America. You'd be happier in London. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #158

Your post about how cameras makes us safe probably sounds better in the original German. n/t Ian David Jan 2013 #35

Well said DainBramaged Jan 2013 #40

+1, n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #52

Thank you Dr. Suess blueamy66 Jan 2013 #43

Cameras are a waste of money. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #63

I don't think that's how it usually works. randome Jan 2013 #103

They can also be used for other purposes -- to snoop on people for personal reasons. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #168

barbituates help you sleep datasuspect Jan 2013 #101

And people thought I was nuts for my rabid defense of Unions.... DainBramaged Jan 2013 #120

You didn't make the suggestion to me, but I'll be more than happy to take you up on it. Raksha Jan 2013 #118

So how's that RFID chip working out? GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #153

Yep, extreme authoritarian attitude. hobbit709 Jan 2013 #38

Damn test wants you to sign up to get the results. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #48

It wants you to but you don't have to I didn't. hobbit709 Jan 2013 #49

It's all relative as to who is the watched and whom is the watcher ... and the RKP5637 Jan 2013 #53

Do you really believe that by advancing the police state with cameras on all innocent people & DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #81

Those cameras you are salivating over WILL be used to limit your right to kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #157

One can travel worldwide. The cameras make it safer, and as for freedom graham4anything Jan 2013 #160

Why not both vandalism and protest? Sam1 Jan 2013 #7

"All your images are belong to us." - Cam Corder Berlum Jan 2013 #16

Mayberry was safe, it didn't have any cameras and it only had one bullet. n/t 2on2u Jan 2013 #17

Funny how Republicans love camera's... trumad Jan 2013 #18

Some Dems love em and want to live in a police state too Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #21

I don't know any Democrats who wish for a police state. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #162

If you're talking Republican government yes they love cameras. If you're talking Republican DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #86

A beside the point reaction to a false overreaction PATRICK Jan 2013 #20

Doesn't matter, good on them, MadHound Jan 2013 #22

Technically you own the air space above your home Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #24

No, you technically don't, MadHound Jan 2013 #25

GA and Com air have a right of way, just like the power company has Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #27

There are dozens of cases in any decent law library that prove you wrong, MadHound Jan 2013 #29

Do property owners own airspace up to a certain ceiling? Orrex Jan 2013 #31

LOL, yes, firing a gun at a drone is legal. Where the hell did you read that? n-t Logical Jan 2013 #44

I am so mixed when it comes to CCTVs. mwooldri Jan 2013 #23

Many of the red light/speeding cameras are owned by for profit businesses dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #50

UK speeding cameras are run by local authorities. mwooldri Jan 2013 #82

The irony is thick Gore1FL Jan 2013 #26

that is the problem behind most modern day protests graham4anything Jan 2013 #34

You've spent a lot of time defending your position and the watcher's position DainBramaged Jan 2013 #77

as #6 said, be seeing you graham4anything Jan 2013 #78

of course, he himself was a spy, which was convient for Drake to forget graham4anything Jan 2013 #79

He was property of US Government flash514c Jan 2013 #124

That is a very good point. n/t Ian David Jan 2013 #36

+1 It's like concealed carry: the presumption that public places are to have the traits that certain patrice Jan 2013 #133

Does anyone see how similar this attitude is to being the Big Brother that it purports to resist? nt patrice Jan 2013 #144

How is that an either/or formulation? Orrex Jan 2013 #32

+1 nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #51

It may be valid protest if the probability of being attacked in that particular place is less coerci patrice Jan 2013 #145

Don't worry... whistler162 Jan 2013 #39

"The cameras can provide facial recognition at distances of up to 600 feet..." Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #41

It's a valid protest Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #42

Protests such as this are vital, what you will see and as we already Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #55

It's a game, not a protest. randome Jan 2013 #67

Sounds like good fun, as long as you don't get caught. nt bemildred Jan 2013 #64

Criminals. Absence of cameras will make crime like mugging more common geek tragedy Jan 2013 #65

Muggers don't give a shit about cameras, and know where not to look DainBramaged Jan 2013 #75

cameras aren't looking for muggers. they are looking for terrorists and are needed graham4anything Jan 2013 #88

Well here is where my Saturday went.... jberryhill Jan 2013 #96

That is SO PAINFUL to see!! im1013 Jan 2013 #112

Newsflash for you - public places are public jberryhill Jan 2013 #123

Vandalism. Only plays into the hands of those arguing for more surveillance. nt EastKYLiberal Jan 2013 #80

I wish my son's parking lot had a camera jberryhill Jan 2013 #89

Parking lots/garages are one thing whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #92

You know what.. jberryhill Jan 2013 #93

Right... whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #94

Why should that matter? randome Jan 2013 #95

Where does it end? whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #97

Have you ever asked yourself about the "natural condition" of human society jberryhill Jan 2013 #99

I'm not sure what you're getting at whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #107

Maybe it ends just before we get to those things you list. randome Jan 2013 #100

I believe CCTV has already whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #109

If you encourage hm to blather on about the goodness of full-time invasion of privacy DainBramaged Jan 2013 #129

+100 im1013 Jan 2013 #113

How is having them on subways different than parking lots? Gore1FL Jan 2013 #121

The problem is that cameras that catch terrists can also be used to catch political opponents. bemildred Jan 2013 #98

There are FAR more political opponents than terrorists, so we all get ONE guess kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #164

Vandalism. kiva Jan 2013 #102

Tear every god damned one of them down and praise the heros who do it, because its no game 1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #106

I'm sure many women will feel safer walking out to a darkened parking lot. randome Jan 2013 #108

Looper whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #111

But who is to say which places are 'safe' without cameras? randome Jan 2013 #114

Well whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #116

I agree we should never be complaiscent. randome Jan 2013 #117

+1,000,000!! im1013 Jan 2013 #115

That must be one huge monitoring center Chico Man Jan 2013 #139

Wait till the Monday crowd shows up DainBramaged Jan 2013 #119

its vandalism Takket Jan 2013 #122

It's possible this is more about bragging rights than it is about a remedy for the problem of patrice Jan 2013 #128

It's civil disobedience. Of course it's illegal, and property destruction. Do it anyways. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #130

Please. No one is watching your every move Chico Man Jan 2013 #132

Delusional my ass. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #134

Yes they save the footage Chico Man Jan 2013 #136

Right, so you're fine with the feds having your entire life on video... backscatter712 Jan 2013 #149

The Feds don't have my entire life on video Chico Man Jan 2013 #150

Visit London cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #138

They have cameras Chico Man Jan 2013 #140

As a preteen I asked the question, "Could it ever happen here?" 20score Jan 2013 #137

Ideology over reality: ALL cameras are instances of hyper-surveillance, hurts the case for patrice Jan 2013 #141

Other then the spray painting I'm ok with it. Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #142

What would be really impressive Chico Man Jan 2013 #143

Whatever gets the job done works for me. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #146

A two edged sword catchnrelease Jan 2013 #147

1984 DainBramaged Jan 2013 #148

Agree 100%. Also love the Brit habit of destroying speed cameras Taverner Jan 2013 #152

Oh noes! abelenkpe Jan 2013 #154

It's kind of sad that they do self-surveillance by posting the videos. JVS Jan 2013 #156

If we as a nation are resigned to allowing 310+ million guns ecstatic Jan 2013 #159

I'm much more concerned with the neighborhood resident.. LanternWaste Jan 2013 #167