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24. Barack Obama gave one of the most forceful declaration of liberal principles...
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:41 PM
Jan 2013

by any president in my lifetime.

"For our journey is not complete until our wives, our mothers and daughters can earn a living equal to their efforts. Our journey is not complete until our gay brothers and sisters are treated like anyone else under the law, for if we are truly created equal, then surely the love we commit to one another must be equal as well. Our journey is not complete until no citizen is forced to wait for hours to exercise the right to vote. Our journey is not complete until we find a better way to welcome the striving, hopeful immigrants who still see America as a land of opportunity -- until bright young students and engineers are enlisted in our workforce rather than expelled from our country. Our journey is not complete until all our children, from the streets of Detroit to the hills of Appalachia, to the quiet lanes of Newtown, know that they are cared for and cherished and always safe from harm." - Inaugural Address by President Barack Obama, Jan. 21, 2013

Principles backed by action -- from the passage of the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act and the Matthew Sheppard Hate Crimes Act, to repeal of the military's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, to the refusal of the administration to defend challenges to the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in court, to ordering federal agencies to treat same sex spouses as equal to opposite sex spouses with regard to insurance and benefits, to ordering an end to deportation of undocumented immigrants brought to this country as minor children, etc., etc., etc.

The term "liberal" has been presently so overused that it has almost become meaningless. But, at the very least, a liberal political perspective would hold that the government has no place in dictating morality, and fairness and equality are the first imperatives of government.

There has been significant progress in advancing a number of genuine liberal principles in our society and government. The credit for that progress owes to the hard work of a lot of people, including our president and many wonderful Democratic representatives in Washington.

Of course there are problems. For instance, we are extremely concerned over assaults on our Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights. But claiming that the "evidence" may show that the president "isn't...even liberal" is flat wrong.

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that last paragraph contradicts itself hfojvt Jan 2013 #1
you really don't understand English. If I have objective evidence that someone is behaving Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #3
so your lead line is abusive hfojvt Jan 2013 #4
Tolerance and intolerance are antithetical. NinetySix Jan 2013 #8
now THAT I did NOT understand hfojvt Jan 2013 #12
What would you consider objective evidence? JDPriestly Jan 2013 #41
You nailed it. Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #49
As a joke, I often say that jazzimov Jan 2013 #10
I am generally intolerant of jazz hfojvt Jan 2013 #15
Ahhh, see? jazzimov Jan 2013 #23
Oh, and to add, jazzimov Jan 2013 #26
by absolutist hfojvt Jan 2013 #30
I tend to use terms objectively jazzimov Jan 2013 #35
but why should I be willing to change my opinion hfojvt Jan 2013 #37
Just Jets on the field tama Jan 2013 #66
people with high post counts do get ppr'd, it just takes a lot more. Flying Squirrel Jan 2013 #39
Maybe you're serious -- maybe you're just being casually argumentative... cheapdate Jan 2013 #18
because it does not say what "not have to tolerate" means hfojvt Jan 2013 #22
"...never an excuse" is unequivocal. n/t cheapdate Jan 2013 #28
no, because "logic" is "the principle governing the human intellect" hfojvt Jan 2013 #31
Do we not agree on the meaning of the word "never"? cheapdate Jan 2013 #33
Do we agree about reality? hfojvt Jan 2013 #40
Clearly, you have an axe to grind. cheapdate Jan 2013 #71
it's not about the OP hfojvt Jan 2013 #72
Good grief, man. cheapdate Jan 2013 #74
looking for insults in all the wrong places hfojvt Jan 2013 #75
"What else does it mean to "not tolerate"? cheapdate Jan 2013 #76
And one more thing... cheapdate Jan 2013 #77
hfojvt has it right Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #34
youre kidding right? bowens43 Jan 2013 #53
To me being opened minded means listening to both sides, not accepting both sides. nm rhett o rick Jan 2013 #2
+1 Jamaal510 Jan 2013 #20
Back in the 70's I said the last bigotry would be against bigots.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2013 #6
I agree with what you're stating... MyshkinCommaPrince Jan 2013 #7
Sometimes you just move on. cheapdate Jan 2013 #19
Intolerant are those who shout: "You're Either With Us Or Against Us." blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #9
Some guildlines to your questions. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2013 #11
I am intolerant Rain Mcloud Jan 2013 #13
DU could practice a little tolerance CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #14
thats because he's uh, a DEMOCRAT pasto76 Jan 2013 #21
+1! n/t bama_blue_dot Jan 2013 #25
That is because "Democrat" used to mean Liberal and/or Progressive. RC Jan 2013 #27
in other words, the party has been hi-jacked by/morphed into stupidicus Jan 2013 #38
True, there is little in common with liberalism CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #44
Barack Obama gave one of the most forceful declaration of liberal principles... cheapdate Jan 2013 #24
Well, I suppose words technically speak louder than actions CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #43
I gave some specific examples cheapdate Jan 2013 #62
My apologies, I thought you were quoting his speech only. CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #67
Moderate Republican is arguably a fitting label for the president. cheapdate Jan 2013 #69
I think we are more in agreement than disagreement. CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #70
But if you're entirely opposed to the guy, then there doesn't seem to be much room nomorenomore08 Jan 2013 #32
I never said I was entirely opposed to the President. CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #45
Fair enough. I certainly have plenty of points of disagreement myself, when it comes to Obama's nomorenomore08 Jan 2013 #73
i was very tolerant -- of everyone -- until... orleans Jan 2013 #16
Being tolerant doesn't mean tolerating Shankapotomus Jan 2013 #17
Being tolerant towards bigots doesn't mean I have to like bigots or shut up about them. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #29
Being Liberal is not enough for either side Riftaxe Jan 2013 #36
Teatards have nothing in common with Progressives CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #46
So it would be safe to say you are not a liberal Riftaxe Jan 2013 #48
I'm not sure how you've concluded I'm not liberal. CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #50
liberals can be very hateful and abusive. they just don't recognize it as such. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #42
Who, for example is the Liberal Rush Limbaugh? CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #47
well, Bill Maher called Sarah Palin a cunt once NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #54
Oh yeah. Case closed, then. CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #58
Word. riqster Jan 2013 #57
Here is what gets overlooked DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #51
“In the practice of tolerance, one's enemy is the best teacher.” dkf Jan 2013 #52
then you must be bucking for dean of students, LOL bettyellen Jan 2013 #59
dupe bettyellen Jan 2013 #60
If memory serves me correctly, I recall reading many liberals were tolerant of the Nazi Party. raouldukelives Jan 2013 #55
You mean like Prescott Bush and Charles Lindbergh? WinkyDink Jan 2013 #63
Perfect. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #56
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #61
No GOOD or DECENT person "tolerates" evil or bigotry or discrimination or bullying, etc. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #64
"Who they effect" ????? Duer 157099 Jan 2013 #65
I'm intolerant towards tolerance tama Jan 2013 #68
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