Strike at the root of gun violence by shutting down the 'iron pipeline'

[Fla_Democrat]

35. Yes, serious debate

It was pointed out that we have very loose border restrictions between states, and a certain amount of travel freedom. So, again, how does one stop any, banned item from moving from one state to another, in light of the fact that the mover already knows they are breaking the law?

Some may think the best way is to set check points, (which I suggested), on avenues into the restricted areas. Others, seem (to me at least), want to expand the most restrictive policies from the most restrictive location out to the other states. Then what? Instead of people trafficking guns into NY, they are trafficking into the USSA?

Why not just come down on the people breaking the law, with the fury of a fiery mountain landing on them, instead of dreaming of ways to lock this country down more. On a board that a good size group (knowing the members change, some overlap, ya pick up a few, ya loose a few) wants no boarders, are firmly convinced the police are not just incompetent, but deliberately evil, wants unrestricted access to.. the internet, higher education, housing, health care, food, water, utilities, transportation.. am I missing anything? Anyway, on that board, we have people clamoring to become a police state.

We (collectively) don't trust the federal government to oversee our food, our courts, very little of our 'national defense', it's all a racket. We don't (see preceding sentence) trust the government when it comes to wire taps, surveillance, interrogations, prosecutions or incarcerations. We (above) don't trust elections, legislation, court proceedings, yet some how, if we all just gave up, agreed, if we put our trust in these benevolent law makers, it will be sunshine, and puppies, and people will die at the ripe old age of 250, in their sleep. (Bonus for anyone thinking of how Tyrion Lannister said he wanted to die).

It's not about fighting the gubmit. It's not about 'my precious', or delicate flowers, or any other insult dreamed up. It's not even about deer hunting, or why do you need, or even compensating for a small pecker. It's about consistency.

There was a picture posted earlier, in another thread, showing the 11 Steps to Fascism. Every one of those steps have been covered on this board since I joined many years ago. Each one brings emotions, strong opinions, and core beliefs into play during the discussions. The only problem I see, is that the first 10 generate outrage against, and the last generates desire for.

I know it is an emotional issue. I understand that people are scared and concerned. (well, I'm not, then again, I am a delicate flower, not a scared rabbit ) But, when I hear something must be done, I just think of the Patriot act.