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Animal Chin

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23. "the second one is more than enough"

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 02:23 PM

Jan 2013

I think part of the point of the OP is that these are (functionally) the same guns. There is no more or less to "screw up" on either one. The only difference is that one is made out of wood and metal and the other is made out of polymer and metal. Each is semi-automatic and can hold high capacity magazines. The AR-15 has "rails" on the top and side that allow you to add accessories such as scopes and laser sights more easliy, although these can be added to the second rifle as well).

I'll stop before I start sounding like an NRA spokesman, but this is what they mean when they talk about "cosmetic features," and I think they have something of a point. Two rifles shoot the same bullets, at the same rate (semi-automatic) and from a high-capacity magazine, but one is illegal because it has a pistol grip or a bayonet lug.

To me, there is no difference between these two rifles.

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This is another gun thread for those hiding them. [View all] flamin lib Jan 2013 OP

Your theory makes sense to me. However... OneGrassRoot Jan 2013 #1

Pink Handguns legaleagle_45 Jan 2013 #6

Buy a deadly weapon, and call yourself "pro-life"! backscatter712 Jan 2013 #21

It's still macho because it's an AR-15 which is macho? Will the circle be unbroken? Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #59

That would explain S.E. Cupp and Sarah Palin loyalsister Jan 2013 #88

Yep. My issue is more with the whole culture of it all... OneGrassRoot Jan 2013 #92

Well said loyalsister Jan 2013 #96

The Dewalt Nail Gun is a Hoax. You've been had. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #99

Actually, I neglected to post the disclaimer about that... OneGrassRoot Jan 2013 #101

So If I buy one of those games I'll feel more manly? el_bryanto Jan 2013 #2

Well, lucky for you the Bushmaster comes with an actual Man Card. Squinch Jan 2013 #79

So how did each one make you feel when you owned them? regjoe Jan 2013 #3

Never owned one. Qualified in the army with one and with the M-14 and 1911. flamin lib Jan 2013 #11

Tired? regjoe Jan 2013 #19

I'm not concerned about my masculinity, don't feel the need, at this point, for male enhancement flamin lib Jan 2013 #22

Then why assume others think differently? regjoe Jan 2013 #26

The OP posts a cogent, well laid out observation (argument) - and you claim they're assuming? Melinda Jan 2013 #35

The OP is an "observation" based on a predetermined opinion regjoe Jan 2013 #57

You claim his analysis "predetermined", lacking in criteria Melinda Jan 2013 #74

The OP begins from the point of "guns = manhood" regjoe Jan 2013 #85

Then could you please explain this... Melinda Jan 2013 #87

One of many gun manufacturers hack89 Jan 2013 #90

It's only one of the images the OP uses, and it *is* by Bushmaster, afterall. Melinda Jan 2013 #102

Yes - that ad is appealing to masculinity to sell guns hack89 Jan 2013 #103

Hello (revised) not so new person... Melinda Jan 2013 #104

Ya' know what? There are enough assholes in the discussion without you aspiring to become one. flamin lib Jan 2013 #110

I think he just got check-mated, no? Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #60

Personal observation. nt flamin lib Jan 2013 #44

Fair answer regjoe Jan 2013 #50

understood. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #63

It is merely a rifle hack89 Jan 2013 #4

I personally FirstLight Jan 2013 #8

The civilian ARs aren't machine guns. One trigger pull, one bullet although flamin lib Jan 2013 #12

That's not a machine gun. loose wheel Jan 2013 #15

"the second one is more than enough" Animal Chin Jan 2013 #23

it is a MILITARY rifle, designed to SELL MORE to civilians, once again farminator3000 Jan 2013 #36

We don't need to switch rifles hack89 Jan 2013 #37

of COURSE, you completely ignore the 6 round thing farminator3000 Jan 2013 #42

I can understand your frustration hack89 Jan 2013 #45

my webcam is not on farminator3000 Jan 2013 #46

I support the EOs and universal background checks. hack89 Jan 2013 #47

right- you'd get to keep your 'gun', so why bother pooping on an AWB farminator3000 Jan 2013 #48

We have another OP psycho-analyzing gun owners hack89 Jan 2013 #49

I don't shoot very often but I really like the Swiss 7.5, replacement for the Schmit Ruben 31. flamin lib Jan 2013 #61

i've got a WWII Mossberger .22 farminator3000 Jan 2013 #64

Farminator, this country is ALL about looks. The AR 15 is just a semi-auto with tail fins... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #62

oh jeez farminator3000 Jan 2013 #73

My own personal experience is that it most definitely not very accurate especially when compared Bandit Jan 2013 #75

I would use an AR10 in .270 or .300 WSM if I wanted to hunt deer. hack89 Jan 2013 #82

Tricked out legaleagle_45 Jan 2013 #5

Shouldn't we also be talking about the "in-crowd" card? Tell me capitalism doesn't live & breathe on patrice Jan 2013 #7

Important element of this argument, and one not often raised! Squinch Jan 2013 #80

other issues: would love to look into how many gun-fellowship groups there are in churches, a patrice Jan 2013 #81

What does the OP have to do with guardian Jan 2013 #9

Hiding gun threads, not guns. Beleive it or not some peoplr are bored by it all. nt flamin lib Jan 2013 #13

Okay guardian Jan 2013 #17

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #10

Not demonizing anything, just opining about why some people buy some products over others of flamin lib Jan 2013 #18

You are incorrect about Sandy Hook RoseMead Jan 2013 #29

"That the Newtown shooter left his AR-15 in the trunk of his car and used pistols... jmg257 Jan 2013 #30

Thank you. n/t RoseMead Jan 2013 #32

Cheers - you too! nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #33

"This is a way to so increase gun and ammo sales that the number of privately owned firearms jmg257 Jan 2013 #34

Veterans tend to like the model of rifle they trained on Recursion Jan 2013 #14

first let me say I don't own any military style rifles backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #16

The accuracy comes in from fine tuning DonP Jan 2013 #24

oh well their it can make a difference backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #25

That's kind of like running a stock Linux distribution Recursion Jan 2013 #39

sure but ANY gun can be modified backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #83

How quickly can you change calibers on your 30-06? hack89 Jan 2013 #122

Marketing. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #20

A Honda Accord and a Ford Model T are basically the same too kudzu22 Jan 2013 #27

When was the last time anyone saw a yung'un driving around in a Buick or Oldsmobile? SayWut Jan 2013 #28

"Folding Battle Sights" On The AR-15-Style Rifle, With Three 30-Round Magazines Included. Paladin Jan 2013 #31

Folding battle sights are what I learned to shoot on Recursion Jan 2013 #38

Were You In The Military When You Used Such Sights? (nt) Paladin Jan 2013 #40

Yes. They fold so you can use them in daytime or nighttime Recursion Jan 2013 #43

In The Military? Yeah, That's What I Figured. Paladin Jan 2013 #53

I'm down with magazine size limits Recursion Jan 2013 #54

he was also in the military when he drove a manual transmission in a jeep, SQUEE Jan 2013 #71

you got it farminator3000 Jan 2013 #41

Free float tubes are for accuracy.. Not heat dissipation, helping prevent flex on the barrel. SQUEE Jan 2013 #68

so what? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #91

"Free floating" a barrel is done on hunting guns for accuracy. X_Digger Jan 2013 #97

You don�t get the fancy free floating quad rail hand guards, farminator3000 Jan 2013 #107

No, you can't grab one off the internet. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #100

maybe in your alternate reality farminator3000 Jan 2013 #105

In an attempt to educate, not that you care. SQUEE Jan 2013 #109

no, i really don't care. at all. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #111

If you don't care, then let me spend my money SQUEE Jan 2013 #112

you don't have enough guns already? you haven't stocked up like everybody else? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #117

Many of my firearms are NFA. And established under a trust SQUEE Jan 2013 #118

i wish google translate did 'gunspeak', but i'll take a 'shot' at this anyhoo farminator3000 Jan 2013 #119

I do not own any automatic weapons. SQUEE Jan 2013 #120

well, THAT'S a relief... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #121

What else would you call a non transferable registration scheme. SQUEE Jan 2013 #126

Folding Battle Sights = BUIS SayWut Jan 2013 #51

I haven't heard anyone claim that high-capacity magazines are cosmetic. Animal Chin Jan 2013 #52

Do you propose the outlawing of Picatinny rails, one-size-fits-all barrel shrouds, etc.? Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #67

These are like big exhaust pipes, wings, giant tires, and huge suspension lifts thetonka Jan 2013 #55

Didn't say ban anything. Just opining about why so many want this over that. nt flamin lib Jan 2013 #56

Just go to a gun store and watch yahoos touch, fondle and drool over the dang things. Hoyt Jan 2013 #58

I've been to plenty of gun shows, nick of time Jan 2013 #65

Members of gun culture don't usually recognize such bad behaviour in other cultist. Hoyt Jan 2013 #66

I'm not part of your so called gun culture, nick of time Jan 2013 #72

Spend a lot of time in gunstores? SQUEE Jan 2013 #69

Because it's a better rifle? rbuchanan Jan 2013 #70

Bingo. Much of it is emotional. Like when you see that shiny new car on the dealers lot. geckosfeet Jan 2013 #76

Oh goody! More "Democraticgunsaround." n/t rzemanfl Jan 2013 #77

The 742 is too long in the stock ileus Jan 2013 #78

So you admit the .223 AR15 is not a "hunting caliber" gun. jpak Jan 2013 #93

I admit you are having some reading rbuchanan Jan 2013 #94

You have multiple user names? jpak Jan 2013 #98

Not for big game, no, nick of time Jan 2013 #95

Not for big game? The M-16A1 was designed and sold to the Military to take down flamin lib Jan 2013 #106

Most states outlaw the use of the .223 round for deer hunting nick of time Jan 2013 #108

The vast majority of deer hunting is with the more powerful .30-06 round SpartanDem Jan 2013 #123

So all the posters in this thread who cite hunting as a reason to own an AR, the vast majority flamin lib Jan 2013 #124

The .223 is fine for smaller game SpartanDem Jan 2013 #125

So what you're saying is that since the late '60s the DOD has been outfitting soldiers to flamin lib Jan 2013 #127

Um...no. What exactly are you trying to say? SpartanDem Jan 2013 #128

I'm trying to say that the .223 round fired by the AR type guns is a deadly round flamin lib Jan 2013 #129

You're right it is deadly SpartanDem Jan 2013 #130

Turkey, coyotes, crows. ileus Jan 2013 #113

Not for turkey in Maine and other states jpak Jan 2013 #115

I don't live in Maine. ileus Jan 2013 #116

I don't need to be an AR-15 totin', mancard ownin' douche in order to tell if I'm a man ... chemenger Jan 2013 #84

For me keeping and bearing arms is more about self-reliance more than machismo. aikoaiko Jan 2013 #86

Here's what I've observed: ecstatic Jan 2013 #89

Agree marions ghost Jan 2013 #114