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Blanks

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30. I appreciate your response.
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:48 PM
Jan 2013

I'd just like to point out: just because I want some change in the system doesn't mean I support charter schools. I don't necessarily oppose them, but that isn't an agenda that I am forwarding.

I'll admit I know nothing of the oversight that educators are currently required to comply with. What I do know is that I can't call up the school and say "how many of this teachers students met standards last year"; and get a meaningful answer. That's what I feel should be evaluated. It's the only way that I know how to determine if someone is an effective teacher; the proof that their students are learning.

I understand that certain subjects are difficult to evaluate by standard tests. What I hear is: "since some subjects are difficult to evaluate by standard tests; we shouldn't have any standard tests" (I don't actually hear it, but that seems to be the attitude).

It seems like those subjects that are important to me (history, math, science) that can be evaluated by standard tests are the ones that fall by the wayside, and the subjects that aren't so important to me (art, English etc) seem to get all the emphasis.

As far as charter schools; the students should have to take the same standard tests as public schools and if the students don't perform - then the schools should be shut down (same with parochial schools).

My point here is that developing a method of evaluating teachers shouldn't be that difficult. A teachers effectiveness can only be determined by evaluating their work: how much their students have learned.

When we, as parents, know which teachers are actually teaching; I think you'll find a lot less push back from parents.

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Thanks from one not yet retired. rateyes Jan 2013 #1
Those still teaching need to take care. madfloridian Jan 2013 #3
k&r Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #2
What is CA's "reform" movement like Recursion Jan 2013 #4
Yes, Parent Trigger laws got voted in here. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #5
Community Colleges xxqqqzme Jan 2013 #7
No California republicans Bigbluebrush Jan 2013 #6
K&R JDPriestly Jan 2013 #8
We need to get.... ReRe Jan 2013 #9
Amen to that. madfloridian Jan 2013 #20
Indeed, ReRe Oilwellian Jan 2013 #34
as jerry brown was an early proponent of charters as mayor of oakland, not sure what this HiPointDem Jan 2013 #10
Tried it and it didn't work, he was checking it out. Turns out charters don't do as well as regular diane in sf Jan 2013 #12
when did he have this revelation? because he went to a charter school rally in 2012. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #13
You might want to read Joy Resmovits at Huffpost. Interesting. madfloridian Jan 2013 #22
K&R Blue_In_AK Jan 2013 #11
I'm all for standing up for the teachers... Blanks Jan 2013 #14
"and it needs to come from somewhere." madfloridian Jan 2013 #17
Nobody likes to have oversight. Blanks Jan 2013 #24
The words you use are key words from the "reformers". madfloridian Jan 2013 #25
Whatever. Blanks Jan 2013 #28
The public schools DO have oversight. Teachers ARE evaluated constantly, have always been. madfloridian Jan 2013 #29
I appreciate your response. Blanks Jan 2013 #30
What the students show on a test is only a small portion of what learning is about. madfloridian Jan 2013 #31
You've hit the nail on the head. Blanks Jan 2013 #32
When I get to a real computer (I'm on a Nook right now), tblue37 Jan 2013 #15
Kudos to Governor Brown. LWolf Jan 2013 #16
It's finally happening madfloridian liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #18
It really matters that the parents are speaking out now. madfloridian Jan 2013 #27
Good for him... ljm2002 Jan 2013 #19
wow--too bad he's too old to run for president again. Maybe he should be the new Sec of Ed yurbud Jan 2013 #21
"a stark, single number to encapsulate the precise achievement level of every child." madfloridian Jan 2013 #23
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!! Squinch Jan 2013 #26
Oh my Oilwellian Jan 2013 #33
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