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laundry_queen

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21. THANK YOU!

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:09 PM

Jan 2013

THAT is the issue. Not vegan vs meat eaters. I can be a meat eater and still abhor factory farming and look for alternatives. I respect veganism and vegetarianism and have tried both. I just happen to have a body that does better on meat. And I hate that meat is horrid for the environment, and I hate the way animals are treated and I DO try to do different (I've bought cows from the local 4-h auction, where the cows are raised humanely and mostly on grass, I buy local, organic free range/run whatever eggs, free range chickens from local mennonites and so on). I strongly dislike (understatement) corporate farming that is reducing the diversity of our seeds and food supply. I try to buy organic or local and stay away from GMO ingredients whenever possible. I've caught my own fish...harvested apples from my mom's tree, gone out and picked berries and dandelion leaves, and have grown multiple container gardens (this year I will FINALLY be able to have a REAL garden!)

It's sooooo much more than just quitting meat. so much more.

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Why are those here who eat meat so defensive? [View all] MoonRiver Jan 2013 OP

no idea but why do non meat eaters feel the need to lecture or moralise. i think its a two way stre loli phabay Jan 2013 #1

Defensive for just asking a question? MoonRiver Jan 2013 #4

personally i dont care if someone dosent eat meat same as its none of their business if i cut the loli phabay Jan 2013 #7

I am a vegetarian and I do not lecture to anyone RebelOne Jan 2013 #13

yup thats the best attitude loli phabay Jan 2013 #15

why are MichaelHarris Jan 2013 #2

I just asked if a picture could change somebody's opinion. MoonRiver Jan 2013 #6

no, you asked MichaelHarris Jan 2013 #18

So you just wanted numbers? sylvi Jan 2013 #35

I would say don't worry about whether a picture would change somebody's opinion liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #62

oking your finger in someone's eye isn't a sign of being defensive at all. LanternWaste Jan 2013 #132

That seems to be one of the rules of veganism jmowreader Jan 2013 #187

...because we're animals and need lots of protein for various DU wars. BlueJazz Jan 2013 #3

And i must say donco Jan 2013 #14

LOL! Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #148

Why are those who don't so ambivalent about agricultural deforestation? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #5

Just food for thought yewberry Jan 2013 #20

You don't grow food to feed my meat NoOneMan Jan 2013 #26

But the acreage used to produce that meat... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #89

I support thousands of bambis, plus antelope, elk, coyote, bear, wild turkey, feral pigs, quail, DeschutesRiver Jan 2013 #173

80% or more of soy production is used for animal feed. Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #24

Yeah, thats stupid. I think 40% of corn....another 40% goes to fuel NoOneMan Jan 2013 #28

2% of corn goes to direct human consumption and 8% towards additives Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #36

Ultimately it isn't a solution NoOneMan Jan 2013 #41

Yeah, yeah. I know. Everyone on DU either eats humanely raised meat or hunts their own. Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #40

No, they don't NoOneMan Jan 2013 #44

that is how it seems stuntcat Jan 2013 #162

My meat is purely free range grassfed grown a mile from my home... peacebird Jan 2013 #47

Ok, I give up on you dedicated meat eaters. MoonRiver Jan 2013 #8

Give up trying to do what, exactly? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #32

if you thought you were going to convert duers, it probably was going to be a long shot quinnox Jan 2013 #42

Are you trying to change minds here? nobodyspecial Jan 2013 #43

That's ok, I gave up on Mormons myself (nt) The Straight Story Jan 2013 #46

I know that feeling backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #110

If I graphically described and showed you pictures of what plants actually go through jeff47 Jan 2013 #59

Or, would you stop drinking? JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #133

Just like I wouldn't judge you if you had an abortion, it is your choice MiniMe Jan 2013 #67

Thrilled. WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #160

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Thank you. HappyMe Jan 2013 #168

Everything that anybody eats was once alive panader0 Jan 2013 #9

Knock off the dualism, either/or skirmishing. We be omnivores. Teeth and digestive tract prove it. ancianita Jan 2013 #10

THANK YOU! laundry_queen Jan 2013 #21

Don't want to argue, only wish to correct a factual error in your post. Doremus Jan 2013 #38

You are wrong. It's not a fact. laundry_queen Jan 2013 #51

You'll excuse me if I take the word of credentialed authorities Doremus Jan 2013 #70

Not irrefutable. You didn't even read my post did you? laundry_queen Jan 2013 #82

Lot's of opinions tama Jan 2013 #159

Your brain is made of fat, the fats from meat and seafood Viva_La_Revolution Jan 2013 #97

There are plenty of environmental and health issues about the production of meat and Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #29

The environmental arguments of eating farmed meat beat any others IMO NoOneMan Jan 2013 #39

Don't own a cell phone. There are lots of things that I don't own Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #50

Thats great for you NoOneMan Jan 2013 #53

Our teeth and jaws are puny, compared to real predators. ronnie624 Jan 2013 #118

that's because we have an opposable thumb liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #120

Totally with you on that. But we do still have four canines for tearing meat. Just sayin.' ancianita Jan 2013 #122

Did you miss "omnivores" in the post you replied to? FBaggins Jan 2013 #128

Nope, saw it. ronnie624 Jan 2013 #140

There's substantial evidence that as we learned to cook our food - including meat... trotsky Jan 2013 #153

+1 liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #154

That doesn't seem consistent with the process of natural selection. ronnie624 Jan 2013 #156

It meant that those individuals who possessed a gene mutation... trotsky Jan 2013 #157

+1 tama Jan 2013 #165

Perhaps the female neanderthals found males with narrow jaws and larger skulls to be more attractive FBaggins Jan 2013 #158

I did think of sexual selection. ronnie624 Jan 2013 #161

Chimpanzees eat meat tama Jan 2013 #169

We eat cooked food tama Jan 2013 #164

so one person started spamming dumb threads quinnox Jan 2013 #11

I think most people get defensive when they get a sense that they are singled out. bluestate10 Jan 2013 #12

I eat meat and I'm not defensive about it at all tkmorris Jan 2013 #16

I don't like to eat mammals because humans are mammals, Jeevus Jan 2013 #17

i share this view sigmasix Jan 2013 #103

Can't imagine why you would think anyone is "defensive" FBaggins Jan 2013 #19

Because anytime anyone posts anything in defense of animals OR the benefits of a vegetable Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #27

And why is that defensive? FBaggins Jan 2013 #45

Shoving a photo of a bloody piece of meat into the face of someone who Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #78

it isn't defensive at all. It's going on the offense FBaggins Jan 2013 #87

Ah no. An OP advancing a vegetable based diet is the offense. Bloody meat is the defense. Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #93

It's good to see that you recognize vegans are offensive! Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #104

Ha! Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #108

that does not make you superior to others. liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #112

What you eat, if what you eat is controlled by the corporate food industry, does indeed Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #115

You can fight for humane treatment of livestock without liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #116

Certainly. And telling people they shouldn't use lead paint was largely ineffectual for decades Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #121

well I'm glad your self rightousness keeps you warm at night liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #123

Yes... you "have a say"... FBaggins Jan 2013 #141

Food activists, like the most activist movement, start out with the vast majority on the other side. Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #145

You keep using that false example. FBaggins Jan 2013 #150

Since I've been a child, I was mocked for preferring vegetables... Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #22

Sigh. jeff47 Jan 2013 #73

Good post. nt laundry_queen Jan 2013 #83

*Sigh* lead was an additive and not necessary. Most of the western world abandoned lead Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #90

So, your memory of commercials is supposed to replace basic chemistry then? jeff47 Jan 2013 #94

I grasp the chemistry. I also grasp why the rest of the western world abandoned lead Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #101

Actually, the US effectively banned leaded gas in 1975 jeff47 Jan 2013 #174

It should have been banned long before then. It's toxicity from the getgo Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #179

IMO, the best way to advance vegetarianism: Open a good veget. Restaurant... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #155

There are quite a few great vegetarian restaurants in San Francisco and most others Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #163

Now you have gone TOO FAR! FBaggins Jan 2013 #172

Sounds good. Hope to get a feral pig soon. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #182

Are you hunting pig or is it a gift? Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #184

Hunting, when the opportunity arises. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #185

Good observation :) kentauros Jan 2013 #170

The place I go to doesn't have an extensive menu, but Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #183

I am here and I eat meat and I'm not defensive. Lex Jan 2013 #23

"Democratic" specifically refers to the political party Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #25

+1000 Curmudgeoness Jan 2013 #60

Heh. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #30

Defensive? Iggo Jan 2013 #31

Me? Defensive?! Nuh-uh! nt Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #33

I am a vegetarian, and I see more vegetarians in the face of non-vegetarians then the reverse still_one Jan 2013 #34

Exactly. "Miltiant Veganism" is a proudly self-identified movement sir pball Jan 2013 #144

You "should" on people, they tend to get defensive Warpy Jan 2013 #37

Sounds like "Why did you stop beating your wife?" NT Bonobo Jan 2013 #48

Defensive? That's what my gun is for! How else will I kill my meat? kwassa Jan 2013 #49

Bwahahaha Matariki Jan 2013 #52

Because Vegans can be JUST as defensive and unreasonable. DainBramaged Jan 2013 #54

Well, there's always the fact that humans are omnivores. longship Jan 2013 #55

BRB doccraig67 Jan 2013 #56

You should really consider pan frying that ribeye. sadbear Jan 2013 #100

we're not defensive pscot Jan 2013 #57

As an omnivore, I don't get the argument me b zola Jan 2013 #58

because we don't like to be proselytized to liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #61

Vegetarians also don't like being proselytized to. Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #63

Then don't mention it. Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #64

Then don't mention it. Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #68

WTF? Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #76

Your post #64 sounds like the rationalization many anti-gay bigots express Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #77

And atheists get this also, right? Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #81

Where did I imply that you were homophobic? Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #84

Ah, I see what you did there. Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #85

I made no such implication. Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #88

Don't you dare compare the two. name not needed Jan 2013 #113

sounds just like the argument that evangelical Christians make liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #114

I'm not comparing being gay to eating meat! Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #126

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Jan 2013 #166

Then don't mention it. Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #69

never tell anybody what I had for dinner unless they ask liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #65

and how often does that happen? FBaggins Jan 2013 #66

Happens plenty, Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #74

not really FBaggins Jan 2013 #79

+10,000 davidpdx Jan 2013 #72

Time to fortify the defenses guardian Jan 2013 #71

Thanks, now I'm hungry.....n/t kudzu22 Jan 2013 #96

Maybe because we don't like being told we are basically evil. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #75

What people eat is their own business Marrah_G Jan 2013 #80

Isn't it amazing how hard that seems to be for some people to understand ? FBaggins Jan 2013 #91

I don't know about other Democrats, but this one is not ashamed of eating meat. sadbear Jan 2013 #86

I don't know, but I have noticed that most meat eaters are really defensive about it. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #92

We know that given your druthers customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #95

I don't give a shit what you think about meat. Just stay away from mine. Throd Jan 2013 #98

Rib steak! aquart Jan 2013 #99

Defensiveness is a response to offensiveness. nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #102

I'm not. I am, however, in awe of the stupidness of PETA (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #105

It makes us mean libodem Jan 2013 #106

because of we weren't so vigilantly defensive, we'd be overrun by the meat. Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2013 #107

Whatever you're defending or offending, I highly recommend this great book. ancianita Jan 2013 #109

Why are some vegetarians so offensive? The Second Stone Jan 2013 #111

Maybe we aren't. Maybe those who don't eat meat are just a wee bit overly JDPriestly Jan 2013 #117

I don't know. I've been a vegetarian since I was a kid and never hassled a meat eater. I wish I Raine Jan 2013 #119

thank you for your consideration liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #124

YES! FINALLY! Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #125

Good grief! HappyMe Jan 2013 #130

That was the old days. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #180

No, August is Hiroshima month cemaphonic Jan 2013 #175

I'm having my pet bunny "Fred" for dinner Jersey Devil Jan 2013 #127

I don't care what anyone eats as long as they're not trying to cook me as long pig. hobbit709 Jan 2013 #129

"DEMOCRATIC" is a political party. HappyMe Jan 2013 #131

Democratic is also an adjective. MoonRiver Jan 2013 #135

Cute picture wouldn't change my mind. HappyMe Jan 2013 #136

It's an adjective with a reality behind it. FBaggins Jan 2013 #139

I'm not. LWolf Jan 2013 #134

That's strange. ananda Jan 2013 #137

I love meat. Chicken mostly, but I'm also fond of Pork, Beef, and Artichokes. nt el_bryanto Jan 2013 #138

Why do so many people make moronic generalizations? Just asking, honey. cali Jan 2013 #142

What does diet have to do with politics? KamaAina Jan 2013 #143

I only eat Republican beef, pork, or poultry. And yours may just be the ... 11 Bravo Jan 2013 #146

Wait....all Democrats are supposed to be vegan? Bettie Jan 2013 #147

I am not LuckyTheDog Jan 2013 #149

I'm here. I eat meat. I am Democratic. 99Forever Jan 2013 #151

Why are vegetarians such sactimonious jerks? abelenkpe Jan 2013 #152

What are you talking about? Blue_In_AK Jan 2013 #171

Don't act so innocent... Rider3 Jan 2013 #176

I'm an omnivore , Silentnomore Jan 2013 #177

Half of the time Recursion Jan 2013 #178

It's the way humans are. We're built to eat both. sakabatou Jan 2013 #181

I've never been healthier since becoming a vegan whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #186