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Luminous Animal

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78. Shoving a photo of a bloody piece of meat into the face of someone who

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 11:40 PM

Jan 2013

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advocates for the scientifically based fact that a vegetable based diet is better for human and environmental health is indeed defensive. If the internet was around during the lead paint activism, I could totally imagine people posting photos of children chewing on lead paint furniture to support the industries propaganda that it was safe. I could imagine people saying, "I'm going to run out right now and buy lead paint and paint my child's room!"

The average meat eaters CAN'T start threads and make a reasonable argument that their choice is both healthful and environmentally sound because there is no science to back it up.

The FDA recommends 5 1/2 ounces of meat AND other protein sources per day an equivalent to, combined, 1 oz of meat, fish, or poultry, 1 TABLESPOON OF PEANUT BUTTER, 1/2 nuts, and a quarter cup of beans or peas.

Most U.S. Americans, even of they eschew nuts and legumes, will eat far more that 5 1/2 oz of meat per day.

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Why are those here who eat meat so defensive? [View all] MoonRiver Jan 2013 OP

no idea but why do non meat eaters feel the need to lecture or moralise. i think its a two way stre loli phabay Jan 2013 #1

Defensive for just asking a question? MoonRiver Jan 2013 #4

personally i dont care if someone dosent eat meat same as its none of their business if i cut the loli phabay Jan 2013 #7

I am a vegetarian and I do not lecture to anyone RebelOne Jan 2013 #13

yup thats the best attitude loli phabay Jan 2013 #15

why are MichaelHarris Jan 2013 #2

I just asked if a picture could change somebody's opinion. MoonRiver Jan 2013 #6

no, you asked MichaelHarris Jan 2013 #18

So you just wanted numbers? sylvi Jan 2013 #35

I would say don't worry about whether a picture would change somebody's opinion liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #62

oking your finger in someone's eye isn't a sign of being defensive at all. LanternWaste Jan 2013 #132

That seems to be one of the rules of veganism jmowreader Jan 2013 #187

...because we're animals and need lots of protein for various DU wars. BlueJazz Jan 2013 #3

And i must say donco Jan 2013 #14

LOL! Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #148

Why are those who don't so ambivalent about agricultural deforestation? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #5

Just food for thought yewberry Jan 2013 #20

You don't grow food to feed my meat NoOneMan Jan 2013 #26

But the acreage used to produce that meat... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #89

I support thousands of bambis, plus antelope, elk, coyote, bear, wild turkey, feral pigs, quail, DeschutesRiver Jan 2013 #173

80% or more of soy production is used for animal feed. Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #24

Yeah, thats stupid. I think 40% of corn....another 40% goes to fuel NoOneMan Jan 2013 #28

2% of corn goes to direct human consumption and 8% towards additives Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #36

Ultimately it isn't a solution NoOneMan Jan 2013 #41

Yeah, yeah. I know. Everyone on DU either eats humanely raised meat or hunts their own. Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #40

No, they don't NoOneMan Jan 2013 #44

that is how it seems stuntcat Jan 2013 #162

My meat is purely free range grassfed grown a mile from my home... peacebird Jan 2013 #47

Ok, I give up on you dedicated meat eaters. MoonRiver Jan 2013 #8

Give up trying to do what, exactly? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #32

if you thought you were going to convert duers, it probably was going to be a long shot quinnox Jan 2013 #42

Are you trying to change minds here? nobodyspecial Jan 2013 #43

That's ok, I gave up on Mormons myself (nt) The Straight Story Jan 2013 #46

I know that feeling backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #110

If I graphically described and showed you pictures of what plants actually go through jeff47 Jan 2013 #59

Or, would you stop drinking? JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #133

Just like I wouldn't judge you if you had an abortion, it is your choice MiniMe Jan 2013 #67

Thrilled. WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #160

. stuntcat Jan 2013 #167

Thank you. HappyMe Jan 2013 #168

Everything that anybody eats was once alive panader0 Jan 2013 #9

Knock off the dualism, either/or skirmishing. We be omnivores. Teeth and digestive tract prove it. ancianita Jan 2013 #10

THANK YOU! laundry_queen Jan 2013 #21

Don't want to argue, only wish to correct a factual error in your post. Doremus Jan 2013 #38

You are wrong. It's not a fact. laundry_queen Jan 2013 #51

You'll excuse me if I take the word of credentialed authorities Doremus Jan 2013 #70

Not irrefutable. You didn't even read my post did you? laundry_queen Jan 2013 #82

Lot's of opinions tama Jan 2013 #159

Your brain is made of fat, the fats from meat and seafood Viva_La_Revolution Jan 2013 #97

There are plenty of environmental and health issues about the production of meat and Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #29

The environmental arguments of eating farmed meat beat any others IMO NoOneMan Jan 2013 #39

Don't own a cell phone. There are lots of things that I don't own Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #50

Thats great for you NoOneMan Jan 2013 #53

Our teeth and jaws are puny, compared to real predators. ronnie624 Jan 2013 #118

that's because we have an opposable thumb liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #120

Totally with you on that. But we do still have four canines for tearing meat. Just sayin.' ancianita Jan 2013 #122

Did you miss "omnivores" in the post you replied to? FBaggins Jan 2013 #128

Nope, saw it. ronnie624 Jan 2013 #140

There's substantial evidence that as we learned to cook our food - including meat... trotsky Jan 2013 #153

+1 liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #154

That doesn't seem consistent with the process of natural selection. ronnie624 Jan 2013 #156

It meant that those individuals who possessed a gene mutation... trotsky Jan 2013 #157

+1 tama Jan 2013 #165

Perhaps the female neanderthals found males with narrow jaws and larger skulls to be more attractive FBaggins Jan 2013 #158

I did think of sexual selection. ronnie624 Jan 2013 #161

Chimpanzees eat meat tama Jan 2013 #169

We eat cooked food tama Jan 2013 #164

so one person started spamming dumb threads quinnox Jan 2013 #11

I think most people get defensive when they get a sense that they are singled out. bluestate10 Jan 2013 #12

I eat meat and I'm not defensive about it at all tkmorris Jan 2013 #16

I don't like to eat mammals because humans are mammals, Jeevus Jan 2013 #17

i share this view sigmasix Jan 2013 #103

Can't imagine why you would think anyone is "defensive" FBaggins Jan 2013 #19

Because anytime anyone posts anything in defense of animals OR the benefits of a vegetable Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #27

And why is that defensive? FBaggins Jan 2013 #45

Shoving a photo of a bloody piece of meat into the face of someone who Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #78

it isn't defensive at all. It's going on the offense FBaggins Jan 2013 #87

Ah no. An OP advancing a vegetable based diet is the offense. Bloody meat is the defense. Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #93

It's good to see that you recognize vegans are offensive! Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #104

Ha! Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #108

that does not make you superior to others. liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #112

What you eat, if what you eat is controlled by the corporate food industry, does indeed Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #115

You can fight for humane treatment of livestock without liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #116

Certainly. And telling people they shouldn't use lead paint was largely ineffectual for decades Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #121

well I'm glad your self rightousness keeps you warm at night liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #123

Yes... you "have a say"... FBaggins Jan 2013 #141

Food activists, like the most activist movement, start out with the vast majority on the other side. Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #145

You keep using that false example. FBaggins Jan 2013 #150

Since I've been a child, I was mocked for preferring vegetables... Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #22

Sigh. jeff47 Jan 2013 #73

Good post. nt laundry_queen Jan 2013 #83

*Sigh* lead was an additive and not necessary. Most of the western world abandoned lead Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #90

So, your memory of commercials is supposed to replace basic chemistry then? jeff47 Jan 2013 #94

I grasp the chemistry. I also grasp why the rest of the western world abandoned lead Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #101

Actually, the US effectively banned leaded gas in 1975 jeff47 Jan 2013 #174

It should have been banned long before then. It's toxicity from the getgo Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #179

IMO, the best way to advance vegetarianism: Open a good veget. Restaurant... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #155

There are quite a few great vegetarian restaurants in San Francisco and most others Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #163

Now you have gone TOO FAR! FBaggins Jan 2013 #172

Sounds good. Hope to get a feral pig soon. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #182

Are you hunting pig or is it a gift? Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #184

Hunting, when the opportunity arises. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #185

Good observation :) kentauros Jan 2013 #170

The place I go to doesn't have an extensive menu, but Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #183

I am here and I eat meat and I'm not defensive. Lex Jan 2013 #23

"Democratic" specifically refers to the political party Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #25

+1000 Curmudgeoness Jan 2013 #60

Heh. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #30

Defensive? Iggo Jan 2013 #31

Me? Defensive?! Nuh-uh! nt Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #33

I am a vegetarian, and I see more vegetarians in the face of non-vegetarians then the reverse still_one Jan 2013 #34

Exactly. "Miltiant Veganism" is a proudly self-identified movement sir pball Jan 2013 #144

You "should" on people, they tend to get defensive Warpy Jan 2013 #37

Sounds like "Why did you stop beating your wife?" NT Bonobo Jan 2013 #48

Defensive? That's what my gun is for! How else will I kill my meat? kwassa Jan 2013 #49

Bwahahaha Matariki Jan 2013 #52

Because Vegans can be JUST as defensive and unreasonable. DainBramaged Jan 2013 #54

Well, there's always the fact that humans are omnivores. longship Jan 2013 #55

BRB doccraig67 Jan 2013 #56

You should really consider pan frying that ribeye. sadbear Jan 2013 #100

we're not defensive pscot Jan 2013 #57

As an omnivore, I don't get the argument me b zola Jan 2013 #58

because we don't like to be proselytized to liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #61

Vegetarians also don't like being proselytized to. Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #63

Then don't mention it. Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #64

Then don't mention it. Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #68

WTF? Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #76

Your post #64 sounds like the rationalization many anti-gay bigots express Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #77

And atheists get this also, right? Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #81

Where did I imply that you were homophobic? Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #84

Ah, I see what you did there. Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #85

I made no such implication. Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #88

Don't you dare compare the two. name not needed Jan 2013 #113

sounds just like the argument that evangelical Christians make liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #114

I'm not comparing being gay to eating meat! Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #126

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Jan 2013 #166

Then don't mention it. Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #69

never tell anybody what I had for dinner unless they ask liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #65

and how often does that happen? FBaggins Jan 2013 #66

Happens plenty, Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #74

not really FBaggins Jan 2013 #79

+10,000 davidpdx Jan 2013 #72

Time to fortify the defenses guardian Jan 2013 #71

Thanks, now I'm hungry.....n/t kudzu22 Jan 2013 #96

Maybe because we don't like being told we are basically evil. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #75

What people eat is their own business Marrah_G Jan 2013 #80

Isn't it amazing how hard that seems to be for some people to understand ? FBaggins Jan 2013 #91

I don't know about other Democrats, but this one is not ashamed of eating meat. sadbear Jan 2013 #86

I don't know, but I have noticed that most meat eaters are really defensive about it. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #92

We know that given your druthers customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #95

I don't give a shit what you think about meat. Just stay away from mine. Throd Jan 2013 #98

Rib steak! aquart Jan 2013 #99

Defensiveness is a response to offensiveness. nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #102

I'm not. I am, however, in awe of the stupidness of PETA (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #105

It makes us mean libodem Jan 2013 #106

because of we weren't so vigilantly defensive, we'd be overrun by the meat. Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2013 #107

Whatever you're defending or offending, I highly recommend this great book. ancianita Jan 2013 #109

Why are some vegetarians so offensive? The Second Stone Jan 2013 #111

Maybe we aren't. Maybe those who don't eat meat are just a wee bit overly JDPriestly Jan 2013 #117

I don't know. I've been a vegetarian since I was a kid and never hassled a meat eater. I wish I Raine Jan 2013 #119

thank you for your consideration liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #124

YES! FINALLY! Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #125

Good grief! HappyMe Jan 2013 #130

That was the old days. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #180

No, August is Hiroshima month cemaphonic Jan 2013 #175

I'm having my pet bunny "Fred" for dinner Jersey Devil Jan 2013 #127

I don't care what anyone eats as long as they're not trying to cook me as long pig. hobbit709 Jan 2013 #129

"DEMOCRATIC" is a political party. HappyMe Jan 2013 #131

Democratic is also an adjective. MoonRiver Jan 2013 #135

Cute picture wouldn't change my mind. HappyMe Jan 2013 #136

It's an adjective with a reality behind it. FBaggins Jan 2013 #139

I'm not. LWolf Jan 2013 #134

That's strange. ananda Jan 2013 #137

I love meat. Chicken mostly, but I'm also fond of Pork, Beef, and Artichokes. nt el_bryanto Jan 2013 #138

Why do so many people make moronic generalizations? Just asking, honey. cali Jan 2013 #142

What does diet have to do with politics? KamaAina Jan 2013 #143

I only eat Republican beef, pork, or poultry. And yours may just be the ... 11 Bravo Jan 2013 #146

Wait....all Democrats are supposed to be vegan? Bettie Jan 2013 #147

I am not LuckyTheDog Jan 2013 #149

I'm here. I eat meat. I am Democratic. 99Forever Jan 2013 #151

Why are vegetarians such sactimonious jerks? abelenkpe Jan 2013 #152

What are you talking about? Blue_In_AK Jan 2013 #171

Don't act so innocent... Rider3 Jan 2013 #176

I'm an omnivore , Silentnomore Jan 2013 #177

Half of the time Recursion Jan 2013 #178

It's the way humans are. We're built to eat both. sakabatou Jan 2013 #181

I've never been healthier since becoming a vegan whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #186