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fujiyama

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190. These comparisons work to a very limited extent

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 01:45 AM

Jan 2013

Yes, there is a psychological factor of your safety being reinforced by owning the bigger gun or driving the bigger vehicle. We live in a very paranoid and distrustful society and it seems to have got worse over the years. Skepticism has given way to wholesale paranoia and fear.

The reality is that for some, SUVs serve a purpose (especially small and mid-range). But even a Ford Excursion or Expedition or a Chevy Suburban serves some utilitarian purpose - of fitting more people, hauling more stuff, or towing more weight.

Semi-Automatic guns and Assault weapons are exactly that. They're weapons. Guns are meant to kill, hurt, or destroy - whether it's for warfare, hunting, or sports - it's meant to send a projectile at a target. They're inherently and intrinsically destructive tools. That's what they're made to do. They're made with that particular purpose.

No civilian really needs an AR-15 and very few need a Ford Excursion, but the former has no real practical value for hunting or home defense. The latter is a monstrosity but can be used in public in a safe manner. Yes, an AR-15 can also be used safely (at say, a firing range or in a remote area), but ultimately they are either weapons of warfare or close enough to it. The real question is whether we as a society should behave as if individuals are always on a war-footing. It strikes me as an odd way for a society to function.

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Reason people buy AR-15 type guns is similar to the reason why people buy Huge SUVs... [View all] srican69 Jan 2013 OP

Husbands buy huge SUV's for their wives and kids because big means more protection DainBramaged Jan 2013 #1

There is a peer reviewed study on this .. I am not giving my 'opinion' srican69 Jan 2013 #2

Fail DainBramaged Jan 2013 #3

if you say so. srican69 Jan 2013 #4

I remember this study of Hummer drivers... KansDem Jan 2013 #81

Some of us need MichaelHarris Jan 2013 #176

That is why I had one back when. HubertHeaver Jan 2013 #179

That would not explain SUVs in Southern California. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #191

I don't know them MichaelHarris Jan 2013 #192

In Michigan, during a snowstorm, the easiest place to find an SUV FrodosPet Jan 2013 #227

can't argue with logic like that.. frylock Jan 2013 #20

What? You don't find "Fail!" to be a compelling argument? Squinch Jan 2013 #80

Fail DainBramaged Jan 2013 #99

Doorknob Squinch Jan 2013 #103

Ignored DainBramaged Jan 2013 #104

Yay! Squinch Jan 2013 #114

You should get a gold star sharp_stick Jan 2013 #170

Thank you ! Squinch Jan 2013 #171

Only one prize is suitable: muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #199

. Squinch Jan 2013 #221

You win Major Nikon Jan 2013 #181

BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA we can do it Jan 2013 #122

Thanks! Squinch Jan 2013 #123

+1000 we can do it Jan 2013 #85

Link? diphthong Jan 2013 #10

I cant find the peer reviewed article but here is the interview on CBS 60 minutes srican69 Jan 2013 #23

Go back to DU v.2 and search under my old name "Cryingshame". I posted this info numerous times. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #52

Starting to search old info: KittyWampus Jan 2013 #54

Same psychology as the bullet bumpers on the '55 Cad - "don't mess with me" message to others. leveymg Jan 2013 #62

Please provide enough information so I can hunt down that study. Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbq6lUgG8gA srican69 Jan 2013 #30

Is the study about cars "peer-reviewed," or your opinion about AR-15s and reptiles? Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #34

A search of Psychlit shows no peer-reviewed articles for Clotaire Rapaille. Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #39

"peer reviewed" is the most absurdly overused DU phrase. Rapaille makes a living on marketing psych KittyWampus Jan 2013 #56

"four-wheel-drive behemoth carries more carrots than climbing gear" Americans? "carrots"? Yavin4 Jan 2013 #77

Big macs? we can do it Jan 2013 #136

Much better n/t Yavin4 Jan 2013 #140

the appeal of "peer reviewed" is the peers doing the reviewing... Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2013 #108

"Freud Explorer"!! Great pun. nt tblue37 Jan 2013 #128

Almost as good as a Freud Probe? we can do it Jan 2013 #167

Sounds like he's following in the footsteps of Edward Bernays deutsey Jan 2013 #197

Thanks for the info. Sounded pretty cantilevered. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #64

One of the men who was involved in the marketing wrote about this. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #53

Marketing what, SUVs or AR 15s? And what is the import of this? Thanks. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #66

Will you please explain the failure in logic? ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #6

It depends on who you ask... Taverner Jan 2013 #12

They sure carry a shitload more comfortably DainBramaged Jan 2013 #21

might be your logic that's failing here? 0rganism Jan 2013 #24

Meh DainBramaged Jan 2013 #63

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. baldguy Jan 2013 #180

Meh, another DU grammar smith DainBramaged Jan 2013 #193

I too used to often dismiss others when they aptly illustrate me as an idiot. LanternWaste Jan 2013 #220

You again miss the point DainBramaged Jan 2013 #222

I drove station wagons which hold a shitload VERY comfortably. Without endangering other drivers. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #57

How many station wagons are there now that don't cost a forutne you can afford? DainBramaged Jan 2013 #65

Do they even make station wagons anymore? nick of time Jan 2013 #68

They ain't like what you think they are DainBramaged Jan 2013 #97

Auto makers stopped making station wagons in favor of SUVs baldguy Jan 2013 #195

Thank you for the info. nt. nick of time Jan 2013 #210

CAFE standards and the chicken tax discourage the production of large station wagons JVS Jan 2013 #208

Thanks for the info. nt. nick of time Jan 2013 #209

Thanks so very much for this information. It explains so much. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #226

Wow, a 1 second google search finds quite a few. But don't let facts get in the way of your fail. we can do it Jan 2013 #92

(sigh) $26,000 to $36 000, that's afforadable you bet DainBramaged Jan 2013 #94

Compared to big SUVs? Yes, they are. Is your google broke? $28,995 - $116,925 we can do it Jan 2013 #105

We own an SUV too, Worried senior Jan 2013 #59

Ever heard of a trailer? tabasco Jan 2013 #95

You folks ain't changing America's driving or buying habits for the next 50 years DainBramaged Jan 2013 #98

Spoken like someone with their head truly in the sand about climate change muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #200

This message was self-deleted by its author DainBramaged Jan 2013 #204

If you don't think DU makes a difference, and think we shouldn't live other people's lives muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #216

This message was self-deleted by its author DainBramaged Jan 2013 #217

Go bother someone else DainBramaged Jan 2013 #218

Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) says cars are safer (2013) we can do it Jan 2013 #126

Thanks! Taverner Jan 2013 #157

No problem, glad to help! I'm big on safety myself. we can do it Jan 2013 #158

Her FACTS are exactly correct. SUV's were intentionally marketed this way. INTENTIONALLY. I've poste KittyWampus Jan 2013 #50

Links please DainBramaged Jan 2013 #70

Generalize much? guardian Jan 2013 #82

Husbands buy big SUVs because of their small penises. Not because they are safe. we can do it Jan 2013 #69

And people make comments like that who have small brains DainBramaged Jan 2013 #71

Oh now I'm going to have to call the waaaambulance. It's big I'll be safe. we can do it Jan 2013 #72

+1000. nt. nick of time Jan 2013 #73

Fail. zappaman Jan 2013 #172

The desire of the SUV driver is to be big and strong - and intimidating. we can do it Jan 2013 #87

Did you even bother to read what you've posted? baldguy Jan 2013 #111

These are exactly the kind of people who need their "toys" taken away. we can do it Jan 2013 #120

Another Union basher.... DainBramaged Jan 2013 #148

How is any of this even remotely union bashing? we can do it Jan 2013 #152

Non sequiturs all around. baldguy Jan 2013 #173

I know laundry_queen Jan 2013 #187

Same here, but pretty equal between sexes, they are rarely dirty, let alone muddy. we can do it Jan 2013 #196

accusations of union bashing are the last refuge of the left wing scoundrel muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #201

A friend PasadenaTrudy Jan 2013 #5

I think you friend cculd be compensating too .. srican69 Jan 2013 #7

Possibly.. PasadenaTrudy Jan 2013 #11

And there it is, nick of time Jan 2013 #13

First SUVs, then AR-15s (something "peer-reviewed?"), then [bada-BOOM] com-pen-sa-ting! nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #36

It was so predictable. nt, nick of time Jan 2013 #37

When controllers speak of "predictability," that means they are about to relieve their load. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #42

Hit a nerve, huh? Zoeisright Jan 2013 #188

Nope, not at all. nick of time Jan 2013 #206

I'm not that short dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #14

That pretty much makes the OP's point we can do it Jan 2013 #117

We'd all be able to see better if their over-sized asses would get out of the way. we can do it Jan 2013 #175

Kind of a strange disconnect in your OP Union Scribe Jan 2013 #8

Subconscious emotion is a powerful thing The2ndWheel Jan 2013 #15

Given the compensating, reptilian peer-reviews, psychology should meld with shamanism. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #38

We need to understand them only for the purpose of devising more personal insults. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #74

I have an SUV because it's perfectly suited for farm work nick of time Jan 2013 #9

I thought pickup trucks were perfectly suited for farm work? Taverner Jan 2013 #16

The pick ups are for the my 3 employees. nick of time Jan 2013 #18

Ahhh gotchya Taverner Jan 2013 #19

The Expedition has maybe 8 inches of ground clearance Mosby Jan 2013 #44

The clearance on most SUVs is a myth ... kwassa Jan 2013 #49

Nothin' says I'm the boss like leather seats and 10 mpg and seating for 12 we can do it Jan 2013 #124

What about a family of 12? What are they supposed to do, walk? darkangel218 Jan 2013 #130

Uphill both ways in a blizzard with their AR197.6s or what evers? we can do it Jan 2013 #135

Bye bye. nt darkangel218 Jan 2013 #138

Does anyone know what the Duggarmobile looks like? JVS Jan 2013 #212

That's right. nick of time Jan 2013 #144

HA! we can do it Jan 2013 #145

They are, but the small ones were replaced by SUV which are a heck nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #91

Yeah - Chevy Luvs weren't that stable... Taverner Jan 2013 #109

you may have a perfectly valid reason to buy an SUV and an AR-15 sir .. srican69 Jan 2013 #25

That's fair enough. nick of time Jan 2013 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author we can do it Jan 2013 #139

Fixed it. nick of time Jan 2013 #146

no problem I will delete the other one we can do it Jan 2013 #147

True...we have to drown out the voices of the extremes from both sides...n/t Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #55

We use a pick up for farm work. How does shoveling manure into your SUV work? KittyWampus Jan 2013 #58

I also have 2 pick ups that my employees use for that kind of hauling. nick of time Jan 2013 #61

I have an SUV cuz it is hard to get through 6+" of snow in the mountains in a car Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #17

The Scandanavian's seem to do alright with Volvo's and Saab's GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #83

You are making WAY too much sense for this conversation. we can do it Jan 2013 #90

This thread is reading more like a SNL skit!!! All we need now are the visuals!!! LOL RKP5637 Jan 2013 #112

And a song........ we can do it Jan 2013 #119

Socialists who pay to plow the roads. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #127

My SUV gets better mileage than an XC90 so you want me to get a vehicle that uses more gas? Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #194

My 2000 Saab 9-3 gets 22 in town 35 highway. GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #202

So you stab your working brothers and sisters in the back, and buy a non US union made car Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #203

Saab was owned by GM at the time. GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #214

I know me first, I got it the first time Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #215

Are you always this charming? GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #223

Just very direct, sorry if you don't approve Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #224

I'm sure you are. GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #225

Ernesto Jan 2013 #22

here ya go! Ernesto Jan 2013 #26

He, he..., but don't forget that in places like cupcake land that's bragging rights for women too. patrice Jan 2013 #31

Or it's what they learned on One_Life_To_Give Jan 2013 #29

Don't have a SUV, but have an extended cab pickup - lynne Jan 2013 #32

fortune 500 companies flock to him to pay millions of dollars .. you still think he needs to get out srican69 Jan 2013 #33

You equate money to common sense? lynne Jan 2013 #35

I think they called it The Hidden Persuaders back in da 50s. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #40

My 2WD Ford F250 extendo cab diesel gets 30 MPG on the highway. Ernesto Jan 2013 #45

not just AR15 Locrian Jan 2013 #41

That is the truth laundry_queen Jan 2013 #189

SUVs mean that you'll survive a crash with a smaller vehicle, it's a kind of bullying flamingdem Jan 2013 #43

Trucks are useful. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #46

Guess you didn't hear: SUV drivers are less likely to die in a crash. REP Jan 2013 #47

No they are not we can do it Jan 2013 #75

Go play with your itty bitty imporred car DainBramaged Jan 2013 #101

What is imporred? we can do it Jan 2013 #132

Like the article says, Electronic Stability Control Major Nikon Jan 2013 #182

Pit bull owners as well michigandem58 Jan 2013 #48

Itty bitty dicks? NV Whino Jan 2013 #51

I guess that could be since I mostly see women driving SUVs... NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #60

Yeah, but do they have big guns in the rear window? NV Whino Jan 2013 #78

I can't tell. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #79

! NV Whino Jan 2013 #134

touche raidert05 Jan 2013 #162

Ever drive by a fast food joint? The drive thru's full of dudes in SUVs most of the time. we can do it Jan 2013 #159

No. I don't drive by them much NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #160

Funny, they have the opposite effect on me, I am flung out of orbit unless sucked into a milkshake.. we can do it Jan 2013 #161

It NEVER fails, people have a personal bone to pick with SUV's so DU is the bashing grounds DainBramaged Jan 2013 #67

small penises. Kip Humphrey Jan 2013 #76

Thoughtless, shallow pseudo mass mind-reading post is thoughtless and shallow slackmaster Jan 2013 #84

Good points. Rock on. n/t guardian Jan 2013 #86

Probably from the same place the pencil went! whistler162 Jan 2013 #125

substitute for a penis? lastlib Jan 2013 #88

I think like a dozen people have beaten you to that canard. Union Scribe Jan 2013 #198

Ok, explain those of us who need the ground clearance nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #89

You are talking to people who think they are smarter than the rest of us DainBramaged Jan 2013 #93

Well, we bought a 2004 Jeep nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #107

Not that many people buy them quaker bill Jan 2013 #96

They're popular because they're small, light, and low-powered Recursion Jan 2013 #116

loose vaginas and small tits The Straight Story Jan 2013 #100

Well said DainBramaged Jan 2013 #102

LOL - add the pics! RKP5637 Jan 2013 #113

ROFL!! darkangel218 Jan 2013 #118

You spelled it correctly, try again. we can do it Jan 2013 #141

His name is Dr. Clotaire Rapaille Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2013 #106

So im a "gun totting reptile because i drive an SUV?? darkangel218 Jan 2013 #110

Wow, I learn something new on DU everyday. justanidea Jan 2013 #115

The OP does say "Huge SUVs" - I don't think Wranglers are huge. we can do it Jan 2013 #165

Is that you, mayor Bloomberg?? darkangel218 Jan 2013 #121

It seems they both have the "I am more important than everyone else" attitude. we can do it Jan 2013 #129

And for those of you who equate small penises with driving SUV's DainBramaged Jan 2013 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Jan 2013 #133

To be fair, some of us just have no place to go. bluedigger Jan 2013 #137

Awesome picture. nick of time Jan 2013 #151

In the mountains between Ouray and Telluride, Colorado. bluedigger Jan 2013 #153

Thanks. nick of time Jan 2013 #154

Okay, one more. bluedigger Jan 2013 #155

Whole different perspective. nick of time Jan 2013 #156

So, like SUVs, AR15s are LESS safe than other models, despite accounting for <3% of gun homicide? nt OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #142

I have a huge SUV...no husband,kids or dogs.. HipChick Jan 2013 #143

I had a huge SUV . . . and a Golden Retriever, no kids, no husband. In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #205

Chomp! dawg Jan 2013 #211

So women driving SUv's are reptiles with itty bitty penises? DainBramaged Jan 2013 #149

Wo men recepticles of tiny penises beware!!!1111!!! I;m series1 we can do it Jan 2013 #174

People also bought them as an alternative to a minivan. krispos42 Jan 2013 #150

LOL Remmah2 Jan 2013 #163

So they don't get stuck in the snow? crazyjoe Jan 2013 #164

People who are obsessed with the correlation of penis size and personal possessions sylvi Jan 2013 #166

...or small minds Major Nikon Jan 2013 #183

I'm going to call it RODWIN'S LAW... cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #185

"Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people." JVS Jan 2013 #213

Yeah, that's pretty obvious tabasco Jan 2013 #168

it isn't that deep for me. Algebra Palin Jan 2013 #169

Oh, Man, you guys crack me up Adam-Bomb Jan 2013 #177

Welcome to DU. Hope you've got more going than gats 'n guzzlers... VOX Jan 2013 #184

Your message is lost in the weeds Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #178

Status symbol. Shows their income level. freshwest Jan 2013 #186

These comparisons work to a very limited extent fujiyama Jan 2013 #190

the reason is.....GROUPTHINK!!! yay narrow-minded insulting fools who can't read! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #207

My guess is that like other commodities, Madison Avenue has done a bang-up job LanternWaste Jan 2013 #219