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RiverNoord

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99. No, if it is neccesary to..

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 11:19 AM

Jan 2013

increase the probability of achieving the change that is being promoted by the protest, then offensiveness is entirely appropriate.

The thing is, a protest is worthless (in the sense of persuading people to bring about a change of an undesirable condition) if it doesn't actually effectively promote, to some degree, the change sought.

There's no point in a protest in which the change sought hasn't been carefully considered and the protest evaluated to be a potentially effective method of promoting it. Anything else is just 'yeah, right!' and bonding with people you already agree with. Maybe the bonding is personally gratifying, but it's just being having a social experience, which is just as easy to have if you're a good organizer, and the time better spent actually developing real strategies for the hard work of actual persuasion.

The people on the status quo side are doing that, you can count on it. Which means they win if you don't do the same thing, only better.

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