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Bluenorthwest

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21. And those scams were in place last time as well.
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 12:21 PM
Jan 2013

And there is a huge difference between serious intent and actual accomplishment, as 2012 results show us. Read DU from the weeks before the election, many were certain they were going to steal it no matter what, they'd say 'Romney looks like he knows the fix is in' and other stunningly irrational things to try to get others to think that there was no way for us to win, when in fact there was no way for Mitt to win. We spoke of PA for weeks as if we needed it, when in fact only Mitt needed it.
They are scum, but not talented scum. This is why people should focus on election reform in their own States. A bit of effort and the scum is defeated. A State that allows a scam to be run on them in broad daylight really needs to wake up and deal. Those long lines we see on TV are shameful, and Democrats should be ashamed in those States if they are not doing all they can to reform that process and to oppose new scams as they come up. If the Republicans are proposing crappy election law, Democrats should propose good election law. The VA Republicans already seem like they don't have the stomach for this sort of cheating.
The fact that cheats cheat does not mean they will prevail. Their plans this time did not work out.
Back in 2008, CA, my homestate, moved their Primary date forward because they were sick of being a large State that voted last and was thus not as influential. That was my first cycle here in Oregon. California friends and family could hardly bear the fact that in the one year in which our primary was protracted and interesting, they pushed their way to the front to 'gain influence' when that influence in this case came on the back end. I had people sending me emails demanding that I make up my mind-'CA is sick of this shit' one of them said and I said well, you wanted to go first, so you did and now you can sit there and wait until we pick the candidate. They still say 'if we had not voted so early, Obama would have taken CA' and that is probably true. The point is that even fairly innocent changes made to attempt 'more influence' can backfire, for no two elections are the same. CA wanted to go earlier, then that was not as good a choice as they were sure it was. They weren't rigging they were just wanting to be 'more important because we are so big'. It did not work because 08 was not like previous elections and because no one can predict the future.
It is possible that Republican scams and plans will do as well for them next time as they did last time. They worked hard to rig, to suppress and it did not work. Because we were organized, people got pissed a them for rigging, and we won the election. They rigged, and we still won.

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Not sure it would help.... ewagner Jan 2013 #1
So splain why the 100,000 did not take over the State Capitol and shut the place down? Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #4
Middle class reteachinwi Jan 2013 #39
yes. ewagner Jan 2013 #41
Midterm elections marions ghost Jan 2013 #2
Caving on REAL Filibuster Reform is a good start at demotivating voters for the midterms Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #9
Shouldn't be marions ghost Jan 2013 #15
yet it is not a motivator Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #16
Got any ideas about what would? marions ghost Jan 2013 #18
Well Dems can actually start acting like Democrats instead of Republicans, that would be a really Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #20
Sure but it's not the whole story marions ghost Jan 2013 #24
Well you seem to know the answer so what is it? Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #25
I don't have all the answers marions ghost Jan 2013 #29
I agree. Indyfan53 Jan 2013 #33
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As always, I will point out that the last midterms, 2010, had record setting turn out in Oregon Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #13
Your post marions ghost Jan 2013 #22
Becasue Honey Boo Boo and Football are more important Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #3
Lady GAGA, The Super Bowl, American idol, Dancing with the Stars, The Kardashians Bennyboy Jan 2013 #5
Can I go there? JustAnotherGen Jan 2013 #6
Because the government is all powerful regjoe Jan 2013 #7
Don't worry, I'm on top of it. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #8
Nobody is listening. They've already told us that banksters won't be prosecuted. Without that...nt Romulox Jan 2013 #10
That's my take on it as well. No one in power gives one shit about a protest, no matter how Nay Jan 2013 #54
We don't have midterm turnout problems here. What State do you live in? Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #11
Lotsa scams in the process to undo all of that. Smarmie Doofus Jan 2013 #14
And those scams were in place last time as well. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #21
Swing states marions ghost Jan 2013 #17
I care, it is the States that allow cheating that don't care enough to prevent it. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #28
Whew, talk about a blame game marions ghost Jan 2013 #31
I mean by state legislature. Indyfan53 Jan 2013 #34
lol tjwash Jan 2013 #12
Bonefish, Carrabbas, Outback, are all filled to capacity almost every night. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #19
Unless people are being effected directly they just don't care. fishiefish Jan 2013 #23
People are being affected directly marions ghost Jan 2013 #26
Got me. ananda Jan 2013 #27
People don't march in the streets because we have the internet. former9thward Jan 2013 #30
I think that's true marions ghost Jan 2013 #32
I thought we did, but the government considered us terrorists Fawke Em Jan 2013 #35
Yep. n/t RoseMead Jan 2013 #40
American Idol. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #37
In reference to John Locke, Royal Sloan 09 Jan 2013 #38
My $.02 ewagner Jan 2013 #42
OK marions ghost Jan 2013 #43
Okay... ewagner Jan 2013 #44
I'm not a great political strategist marions ghost Jan 2013 #45
Primaries are very important. Indyfan53 Jan 2013 #46
Yes primaries too marions ghost Jan 2013 #47
Concur in part; dissent in part... ewagner Jan 2013 #48
Thanks for your thoughts ewagner marions ghost Jan 2013 #49
just a couple more thoughts.. ewagner Jan 2013 #50
This thing right here is the reason why no one is marching in the streets... liberal N proud Jan 2013 #51
People do march in the streets all the time lunatica Jan 2013 #52
Why in the world would you Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #53
What is it that you want in the end? MrYikes Jan 2013 #55
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