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seabeyond

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58. btw liberal, i love your posts about your husband.

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:51 PM

Jan 2013

i am glad you are living that life. i have for a lifetime only had men like that around me. and it is who my husband is. i wouldnt allow anything less in my life. so i get and respect that.

we disagree on this because over the years i have seen men declare themselves feminist and then proceed to prove to me how they are not. men convinced me otherwise. i use to think men could be feminists.

and i have personal experience with tavs posts.... and you know, he is consistently on womens sides with rights. but no, i do not see it in other posts when it comes to other issues with feminism.

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My problem isn't self-identifying as a feminist in front of men, it's women [View all] Taverner Jan 2013 OP

did you mean... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #1

Thanks, missed that Taverner Jan 2013 #2

ok. here is a thought... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #7

at first I thought you were talking into the mirror, and thought that kinda shit could be the root bettyellen Jan 2013 #9

I try not to worry too much about how people react to labels I claim Recursion Jan 2013 #3

LOL ..."I don't walk up to women...." funny Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2013 #32

If you are a male boston bean Jan 2013 #4

Why? Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #11

Why not? boston bean Jan 2013 #13

If you say so. Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #16

absolutely not, and I think that is exactly the issue. boston bean Jan 2013 #17

So you want to change the label as a means of achieving what? Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #19

huh? Definetely looking through the wrong lense. boston bean Jan 2013 #22

I used the "You" in reference to men, as if you were speaking, not you boston bean... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #35

Did you read this OP? Was it not critical of women? boston bean Jan 2013 #40

Yes, I read the OP Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #44

I have no idea of your age, do you know mine? boston bean Jan 2013 #70

You too. Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #87

You must be kidding. HERVEPA Jan 2013 #63

Nope I'm not kidding, and I'm not excluding you from anything. nt boston bean Jan 2013 #64

Seems like you are excluding me from referring to myself as a feminist HERVEPA Jan 2013 #83

In my book you are a feminist ally, I think from what you say. boston bean Jan 2013 #89

"he wants to control" tama Jan 2013 #72

Of course feminists have differing opinions. boston bean Jan 2013 #73

I agree tama Jan 2013 #82

Go tell the NAACP they need to make room for white persons voices and.... boston bean Jan 2013 #92

I'm certainly not going to tell you how to proceed. Deep13 Jan 2013 #99

No, I am a feminist Taverner Jan 2013 #46

datasuspect is universal love, the yoni and lingam datasuspect Jan 2013 #5

I like that liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #49

It's like being a wealthy socialist Astrad Jan 2013 #6

Bull HERVEPA Jan 2013 #67

i think there are as many jerky women as men.... and the whole thing trying to discredit bettyellen Jan 2013 #8

Doesn't bug me. I don't usually call myself a feminist (though I thoroughly am), Evoman Jan 2013 #10

You are a very thoughtful person. redqueen Jan 2013 #18

my husband has had a profound affect on how I view good men liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #42

I seem to remember having this conversation before el_bryanto Jan 2013 #12

... seabeyond Jan 2013 #20

Thank you. redqueen Jan 2013 #33

I do nt Taverner Jan 2013 #47

"Imagine all the people . . . " patrice Jan 2013 #14

+1 liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #52

More criticism about women from a self proclaimed "feminist". boston bean Jan 2013 #15

we should be applauding men who treat women with respect liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #21

I'm not sure that treating women with respect should be applauded as something above and beyond Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #23

whether it is your mother, your teacher, your spouse, your friend, whoever liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #24

I totally agree with that. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #26

+1 redqueen Jan 2013 #25

I didn't want to mention the c-word, Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #27

I show appreciation to my wonderful husband everyday liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #28

Does your husband consider himself a feminist? boston bean Jan 2013 #29

Yes he does liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #30

I show appreciation for acts of advocacy. redqueen Jan 2013 #31

excuse me? straight allies and allies who fight for minorities get appreciation but men who liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #34

You misread. redqueen Jan 2013 #36

I consider the way people treat each other to be activism liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #38

We disagree on that, then. nt redqueen Jan 2013 #39

Look - I don't want no goddamn cookies Taverner Jan 2013 #50

Why are you cussing at me? I was replying to someone else. And it is *very* different. redqueen Jan 2013 #54

Wasn't really cussing at you - I just talk that way Taverner Jan 2013 #56

Aw thanks... redqueen Jan 2013 #60

No - I don't want cookies, I just don't want the eyeroll Taverner Jan 2013 #48

I appreciate men who are advocates of women's rights gollygee Jan 2013 #37

Sometimes I don't get it either. Evoman Jan 2013 #45

Nicely stated. n/t Helen Reddy Jan 2013 #81

I'm going to post something else here too gollygee Jan 2013 #41

A subset of women are responding that way. They don't reperesent all woman. HERVEPA Jan 2013 #69

I'm talking about the OP gollygee Jan 2013 #71

Thank you! ananda Jan 2013 #43

+1. seabeyond Jan 2013 #51

this would be an indicator for you tav. YOU are a feminist, you say. the end. it does not matter seabeyond Jan 2013 #53

that's what everybody has to do for themselves liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #55

it is a womans movement. a movement about gays. christianity, political parties seabeyond Jan 2013 #57

All he is asking is to not have people roll their eyes at him. liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #59

no, he is calling out women saying they are a problem. if they disagree, he, the man, is seabeyond Jan 2013 #62

And all women are asking for is a modicum of empathy. We don't know what her day was like. redqueen Jan 2013 #65

Empathy is natural tama Jan 2013 #84

Wow. So by excluding men from *the use of a title in a women's movement*, women are now 'othering' redqueen Jan 2013 #85

Those are huge generalisations tama Jan 2013 #86

btw liberal, i love your posts about your husband. seabeyond Jan 2013 #58

oh I have no doubt I have probably disagreed with him on other topics liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #61

but, that is the point. seabeyond Jan 2013 #66

apparently there is no satisfactory definition of feminism liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #75

the woman is free to roll his eyes, and he is free to not agree and declare himself a feminist, seabeyond Jan 2013 #76

he defines who he is. no one else does. liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #79

If you get the eye roll, take it as a sign. Gormy Cuss Jan 2013 #68

Your problem might be that you have posted this OP too many times. nt ladjf Jan 2013 #74

Be self-actualized Cary Jan 2013 #77

Thanks Cary. freshwest Jan 2013 #96

As a woman, I don't think you have to be a woman to be a feminist. Jennicut Jan 2013 #78

OH. MY. GOD. MissMarple Jan 2013 #80

My thoughts? Sissyk Jan 2013 #88

The vast majority of DUers accept that a man can indeed be a feminist. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #90

Do you volunteer this info, or do they ask? Recursion Jan 2013 #91

My sister made fun of me for it loyalsister Jan 2013 #93

Darlin', you can call yourself anything you damn well please. Zorra Jan 2013 #94

keeping people seperated and categorized doesn't help anybody liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #95

I'm an egalitarian... uriel1972 Jan 2013 #97

You'd never get the eye roll frogmarch Jan 2013 #98

K&R smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #100

besides being women do they have anything else in common? La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2013 #101

I don't generally tell people that I am a feminsit, or a feminst ally. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #102