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seabeyond

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66. but, that is the point.

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:03 PM

Jan 2013

what if a feminist had seen some of the behavior that we have on du, and he declares himself a feminist and she is saying, this this this suggest you are not.

and he does a rant on du, saying women need to shut up and accept he is a feminist. but, you know, i do not. love tav, but i dont. he is consistent with womens rights. yea. i respect that. but, he is not gonna tell me he is a feminist and that he is right about womens issues and experience and i need to nod in agreement.

isnt that the very issue women have always lived under the patriarchy?

what feminist would go along with it. and if they did, are they truly feminists to allow themselves to be cowed by a man?

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My problem isn't self-identifying as a feminist in front of men, it's women [View all] Taverner Jan 2013 OP

did you mean... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #1

Thanks, missed that Taverner Jan 2013 #2

ok. here is a thought... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #7

at first I thought you were talking into the mirror, and thought that kinda shit could be the root bettyellen Jan 2013 #9

I try not to worry too much about how people react to labels I claim Recursion Jan 2013 #3

LOL ..."I don't walk up to women...." funny Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2013 #32

If you are a male boston bean Jan 2013 #4

Why? Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #11

Why not? boston bean Jan 2013 #13

If you say so. Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #16

absolutely not, and I think that is exactly the issue. boston bean Jan 2013 #17

So you want to change the label as a means of achieving what? Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #19

huh? Definetely looking through the wrong lense. boston bean Jan 2013 #22

I used the "You" in reference to men, as if you were speaking, not you boston bean... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #35

Did you read this OP? Was it not critical of women? boston bean Jan 2013 #40

Yes, I read the OP Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #44

I have no idea of your age, do you know mine? boston bean Jan 2013 #70

You too. Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #87

You must be kidding. HERVEPA Jan 2013 #63

Nope I'm not kidding, and I'm not excluding you from anything. nt boston bean Jan 2013 #64

Seems like you are excluding me from referring to myself as a feminist HERVEPA Jan 2013 #83

In my book you are a feminist ally, I think from what you say. boston bean Jan 2013 #89

"he wants to control" tama Jan 2013 #72

Of course feminists have differing opinions. boston bean Jan 2013 #73

I agree tama Jan 2013 #82

Go tell the NAACP they need to make room for white persons voices and.... boston bean Jan 2013 #92

I'm certainly not going to tell you how to proceed. Deep13 Jan 2013 #99

No, I am a feminist Taverner Jan 2013 #46

datasuspect is universal love, the yoni and lingam datasuspect Jan 2013 #5

I like that liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #49

It's like being a wealthy socialist Astrad Jan 2013 #6

Bull HERVEPA Jan 2013 #67

i think there are as many jerky women as men.... and the whole thing trying to discredit bettyellen Jan 2013 #8

Doesn't bug me. I don't usually call myself a feminist (though I thoroughly am), Evoman Jan 2013 #10

You are a very thoughtful person. redqueen Jan 2013 #18

my husband has had a profound affect on how I view good men liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #42

I seem to remember having this conversation before el_bryanto Jan 2013 #12

... seabeyond Jan 2013 #20

Thank you. redqueen Jan 2013 #33

I do nt Taverner Jan 2013 #47

"Imagine all the people . . . " patrice Jan 2013 #14

+1 liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #52

More criticism about women from a self proclaimed "feminist". boston bean Jan 2013 #15

we should be applauding men who treat women with respect liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #21

I'm not sure that treating women with respect should be applauded as something above and beyond Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #23

whether it is your mother, your teacher, your spouse, your friend, whoever liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #24

I totally agree with that. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #26

+1 redqueen Jan 2013 #25

I didn't want to mention the c-word, Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #27

I show appreciation to my wonderful husband everyday liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #28

Does your husband consider himself a feminist? boston bean Jan 2013 #29

Yes he does liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #30

I show appreciation for acts of advocacy. redqueen Jan 2013 #31

excuse me? straight allies and allies who fight for minorities get appreciation but men who liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #34

You misread. redqueen Jan 2013 #36

I consider the way people treat each other to be activism liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #38

We disagree on that, then. nt redqueen Jan 2013 #39

Look - I don't want no goddamn cookies Taverner Jan 2013 #50

Why are you cussing at me? I was replying to someone else. And it is *very* different. redqueen Jan 2013 #54

Wasn't really cussing at you - I just talk that way Taverner Jan 2013 #56

Aw thanks... redqueen Jan 2013 #60

No - I don't want cookies, I just don't want the eyeroll Taverner Jan 2013 #48

I appreciate men who are advocates of women's rights gollygee Jan 2013 #37

Sometimes I don't get it either. Evoman Jan 2013 #45

Nicely stated. n/t Helen Reddy Jan 2013 #81

I'm going to post something else here too gollygee Jan 2013 #41

A subset of women are responding that way. They don't reperesent all woman. HERVEPA Jan 2013 #69

I'm talking about the OP gollygee Jan 2013 #71

Thank you! ananda Jan 2013 #43

+1. seabeyond Jan 2013 #51

this would be an indicator for you tav. YOU are a feminist, you say. the end. it does not matter seabeyond Jan 2013 #53

that's what everybody has to do for themselves liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #55

it is a womans movement. a movement about gays. christianity, political parties seabeyond Jan 2013 #57

All he is asking is to not have people roll their eyes at him. liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #59

no, he is calling out women saying they are a problem. if they disagree, he, the man, is seabeyond Jan 2013 #62

And all women are asking for is a modicum of empathy. We don't know what her day was like. redqueen Jan 2013 #65

Empathy is natural tama Jan 2013 #84

Wow. So by excluding men from *the use of a title in a women's movement*, women are now 'othering' redqueen Jan 2013 #85

Those are huge generalisations tama Jan 2013 #86

btw liberal, i love your posts about your husband. seabeyond Jan 2013 #58

oh I have no doubt I have probably disagreed with him on other topics liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #61

but, that is the point. seabeyond Jan 2013 #66

apparently there is no satisfactory definition of feminism liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #75

the woman is free to roll his eyes, and he is free to not agree and declare himself a feminist, seabeyond Jan 2013 #76

he defines who he is. no one else does. liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #79

If you get the eye roll, take it as a sign. Gormy Cuss Jan 2013 #68

Your problem might be that you have posted this OP too many times. nt ladjf Jan 2013 #74

Be self-actualized Cary Jan 2013 #77

Thanks Cary. freshwest Jan 2013 #96

As a woman, I don't think you have to be a woman to be a feminist. Jennicut Jan 2013 #78

OH. MY. GOD. MissMarple Jan 2013 #80

My thoughts? Sissyk Jan 2013 #88

The vast majority of DUers accept that a man can indeed be a feminist. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #90

Do you volunteer this info, or do they ask? Recursion Jan 2013 #91

My sister made fun of me for it loyalsister Jan 2013 #93

Darlin', you can call yourself anything you damn well please. Zorra Jan 2013 #94

keeping people seperated and categorized doesn't help anybody liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #95

I'm an egalitarian... uriel1972 Jan 2013 #97

You'd never get the eye roll frogmarch Jan 2013 #98

K&R smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #100

besides being women do they have anything else in common? La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2013 #101

I don't generally tell people that I am a feminsit, or a feminst ally. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #102