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muriel_volestrangler

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4. Figures for 3 years of England & Wales homicides

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:54 AM

Jan 2013

Sharp instrument 698
Hitting, kicking, etc. 401
Blunt instrument 167
Strangulation/asphyxiation 158
Shooting 140
Other 320
Total 1,884

(note the years for recording crime don't run from Jan-Dec, for some reason. So "combined data for 2008/09 to 2010/11" means 3 years, starting 2008, 2009 and 2010)

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/crime-research/hosb0212/hosb0212?view=Binary

These can be compared with the US data, available for 2008 here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/oct/05/us-homicide-rates
The US had a homicide by sharp instrument rate of 0.67 per 100,000 per year; England and Wales, roughly, 0.43 (about 55 million population). Hitting etc. - USA: 0.30; E&W: 0.25. So those 2 categories are roughly equal. Shooting: USA: 3.33; E&W: 0.09.

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What do the "bad guys" in Britain and Japan do without guns? [View all] moondust Jan 2013 OP

umm, not kill their fellow citizens in record numbers? n/t bench scientist Jan 2013 #1

record numbers?really? backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #8

The U.S. ALWAYS sets the records for firearm deaths in the developed world. EOTE Jan 2013 #10

that wasn't the question backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #11

Actually it WAS the question. EOTE Jan 2013 #12

It isn't a matter of comparing how violent our recent history to how violent our past history is. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #52

American gun deaths beat every other civilized nation. rustydog Jan 2013 #24

So which nations guardian Jan 2013 #42

There's a clear line between the first world and the rest of the world. EOTE Jan 2013 #80

So the guardian Jan 2013 #81

Sure, if that's the word you'd like to use. EOTE Jan 2013 #82

it's clear cut and not even close bench scientist Jan 2013 #71

they do less murdering of people than in the United States CreekDog Jan 2013 #77

aw, yea creekdog bench scientist Jan 2013 #79

dont know about japan but bad guys in the uk get guns too easily loli phabay Jan 2013 #2

Huge knife culture? Kingofalldems Jan 2013 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Jan 2013 #17

seriuosly do a search theres been campaigns to get knifes of the streets loli phabay Jan 2013 #23

And yet, as the figures in #4 show, knives kill slightly more in the USA muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #40

still does not mean there is not a knife culture in the schemes loli phabay Jan 2013 #41

But is it any smaller than the American knife culture? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #44

depends on where you live. on some schemes stabbings are everyday loli phabay Jan 2013 #46

Hysterical tabloids, stuff like that. Posteritatis Jan 2013 #68

Not to mention bows & arrows in Sherwood Forest. Pyrzqxgl Jan 2013 #78

They use knives and clubs. ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #3

I'd rather look at a knife than down the barrel of a gun. Squinch Jan 2013 #26

Really? guardian Jan 2013 #43

Guns are chosen by people intending to kill muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #45

Yes, really. And since it looks as if your link is to some photo of a wound, I don't really Squinch Jan 2013 #47

If an attacker has a knife, then I want a gun. Bake Jan 2013 #61

Figures for 3 years of England & Wales homicides muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #4

But but but malaise Jan 2013 #6

A point that CANNOT be over-emphasized Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #37

They commit far fewer homicides. DanTex Jan 2013 #5

Britons use knives, fists, beer glasses, and blunt objects. Japan doesn't have much violent crime. slackmaster Jan 2013 #9

The Japanese use swords. edbermac Jan 2013 #13

What drunks did in the US when booze was banned. dairydog91 Jan 2013 #14

Island nations have no black market? Robb Jan 2013 #18

Thank you, I just spewed coffee all over my desk. a la izquierda Jan 2013 #50

of course! there is not a single leaf of ganja in jamaica, for instance. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #62

Of course they have black markets. dairydog91 Jan 2013 #70

Japanese "bad guys" have plenty of guns obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #15

They must be lousy shots then. Robb Jan 2013 #19

Yakuza use firearms as a last resort formercia Jan 2013 #22

So, everybody was kung fu fighting instead? Bucky Jan 2013 #76

LOL! So true, it's funny! Squinch Jan 2013 #28

They don't use them much. Nor in Britain Recursion Jan 2013 #39

+1 HiPointDem Jan 2013 #48

id say a large part is cultural and another is the guns tend to be held loli phabay Jan 2013 #51

The question was if they had guns obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #74

This Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #16

Wound each other at approximately twice the US rate, in the UK at least. dmallind Jan 2013 #20

But kill each other a whole lot less. Squinch Jan 2013 #29

There are always firearms to be had, regardless of the laws formercia Jan 2013 #21

As for Britain, I think you can rule out biting. n/t Scurrilous Jan 2013 #25

Knives, swords, axes. PLARS1999 Jan 2013 #27

How bad are things when you carry a gun with bullets in it? Squinch Jan 2013 #30

If you don't trust your dealer, don't buy from him. PLARS1999 Jan 2013 #34

Huh? Squinch Jan 2013 #35

Hooligans. PLARS1999 Jan 2013 #36

I remember for a time it was double bladed Stanley knifes loli phabay Jan 2013 #31

I'm fairly confident that I have a much better chance of outrunning a bladed weapon LanternWaste Jan 2013 #66

Call Bush. Weapons of mass destruction. pampango Jan 2013 #32

Axes were preferred weapons in medieval times ...... oldhippie Jan 2013 #64

Who says the bad guys don't have guns there? (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #33

Even the Yakuza won't mess around with guns in Japan. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #38

Yakuza have guns, & traffic in guns. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #49

Only a small subset. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #53

not really the case. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #59

Some documentation would be a nice thing Kolesar Jan 2013 #55

... HiPointDem Jan 2013 #57

Wow, seven Kolesar Jan 2013 #58

Because they *don't* commonly use them to kill people. But they have them, they traffic them HiPointDem Jan 2013 #60

Is it the smell of cordite that brings the snot out from you? Kolesar Jan 2013 #65

what? the fact is, unless they've experienced it, americans tend to assume the yakuza operate HiPointDem Jan 2013 #67

They victimize the weak just like all bad guys do. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #54

Impulsive and unwise people don't kill others in commenserate numbers, though Kolesar Jan 2013 #56

Even gangsters live in fear of Japan�s gun laws by Jake Adelstein farminator3000 Jan 2013 #63

Prey upon the weak. loose wheel Jan 2013 #69

Swords ? JI7 Jan 2013 #72

Ever think that maybe Britain and Japan lock up their crazy people? kudzu22 Jan 2013 #73

We do too, but we use prisons instead of those mamby-pampy mental treatment centers Bucky Jan 2013 #75