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dairydog91

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33. Right. Hysteria to the contrary, SYG alone doesn't help this guy.

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 12:21 PM

Jan 2013

All that SYG eliminates is the duty to retreat. In a state with the duty, somebody who kills an assailant and fulfills the other conditions for a valid self-defense claim can still be convicted of murder if he failed to exercise his duty to retreat. SYG removes this duty, but someone who wants to use self-defense as a defense to a murder charge must still prove the other elements of a self-defense claim. I know of no state self-defense law that would normally encompass a situation in which a person shot somebody when the other person was retreating at high speed.

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Stand your ground? Bull s*$@*!!! [View all] mfcorey1 Jan 2013 OP

Has nothing to do with SYG. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #1

His lawyer has announced he had that kind of grounds, Do your research. Yes bottom line mfcorey1 Jan 2013 #2

I think his lawyer is going to claim anything he or she can to protect the client el_bryanto Jan 2013 #3

What's more telling Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #5

His lawyer will claim anything. That's his job. N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #14

His lawyer is not the final authority on what SYG encompasses. nt dairydog91 Jan 2013 #35

SYG and Castle Laws = excuses for Gun Hero murder jpak Jan 2013 #6

Perhaps you should rethink your support of murder. baldguy Jan 2013 #16

Perhaps you should quite false accusations. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #18

Nothing false in my post. You support the insane SYG laws which lead to murders like in the OP baldguy Jan 2013 #19

I support legitimate self-defense. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #20

Are you getting dizzy spinning like that? baldguy Jan 2013 #21

Spinning? rjj621 Jan 2013 #44

Bald knows this kind of smear is now legitimized on DU. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #45

Yet he'll get away with it, or get a relative slap on the wrist SWTORFanatic Jan 2013 #34

Doubtful. I think he will die in prison. N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #41

if somebody is in the car driving away GETTINGTIRED Jan 2013 #4

White shooter, Minority victim.... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #7

damn straight GETTINGTIRED Jan 2013 #10

I fear you are correct. LisaLynne Jan 2013 #11

As part of a recent gun thread... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #12

YES - exactly. LisaLynne Jan 2013 #15

You got that right. nt raccoon Jan 2013 #52

Attorney will try anything, including SYG - lynne Jan 2013 #8

that isn't SYG backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #9

Correct. n/t greytdemocrat Jan 2013 #13

Yes. Lawyers are paid to come up with SOMETHING... LisaLynne Jan 2013 #17

Right. Hysteria to the contrary, SYG alone doesn't help this guy. dairydog91 Jan 2013 #33

No matter what claim is made to try to get off the bottom line is that a person like this should not libtodeath Jan 2013 #22

How can you tell in advance? GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #23

LOL: "Although our present system works reasonably well" FSogol Jan 2013 #26

Your post is not a rebuttal. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #27

"It is rare for a legal gun owner to commit a criminal act with their gun." Robb Jan 2013 #29

What percentage of legal gun owners does the remaining 73% make up? GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #37

That they better avoid conviction does not make them "safer." Robb Jan 2013 #48

Where does the 80 million gun owner # come from? FSogol Jan 2013 #30

Link: GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #32

So why is everyone using the 80 million number? Seems made-up. FSogol Jan 2013 #36

Multiple gun owners in one household. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #38

LOL: "that would still leave you with almost all legal gun owners doing nothing wrong w/ their gun" FSogol Jan 2013 #40

That is why we don't outlaw beer, cars, roller coasters. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #42

There are thousands of laws and regulations involving toys, alcohol, amusements, etc. FSogol Jan 2013 #43

Internet gun hicks will figure a way to make the shooter a hero. Kingofalldems Jan 2013 #24

How many more like him out there? mokawanis Jan 2013 #25

Many like him KT2000 Jan 2013 #28

Hmm. Yet another hateful stereotype of old people. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #46

No - I live amongst them KT2000 Jan 2013 #47

I'm even older and I see little more strange behavior Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #53

This is MURDER, plain & simple! No SYG, no Castle Doctrine, just pure, unadulterated murder... Ghost in the Machine Jan 2013 #31

Thank you! csziggy Jan 2013 #39

There is no cure for stupid. Rex Jan 2013 #49

Regardless of whether or not SYG 'works' as this murderer's defense... RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #50

FACT: There are people who WANT TO SHOOT someone ANYONE, whatever opportunity patrice Jan 2013 #51