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WilmywoodNCparalegal

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46. Response - lengthy
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:22 PM
Jan 2013

First of all, I've been working in U.S. immigration law for more than 13 years. This is more than theory - it's plenty of practice, I assure you. This kind of stuff is what I do every day. I have worked in law firms and I have worked in corporate settings. I currently work in a corporate setting so I am well aware of corporate policies and hiring practices. I am the only person who oversees immigration for a large company with over 70,000 employees.

H-1B employees transfer to/from employers all the time. H-1B workers are not cheap. It is actually very expensive for any business to hire an H-1B worker. Legal fees alone are at least $2,500. Filing fees owed to the U.S. government are $2,325 for many employers (less for smaller employers - more for H-1B-dependent employers). So, we are talking about nearly $5,800 that an employer must pay to have an H-1B worker.

At all employers I have worked with or where I am currently working, we have several H-1B employees who have joined us and/or who have left us. No one has been treated 'badly.' Since we are heavily unionized, I'm sure such a grievance would have been heard loudly. I have also had to decline job offers in cases where our salary was below the prevailing wage and the department managers were not able to increase the compensation. I am an immigrant myself and I don't look kindly upon those who take advantage of foreign workers - legal or illegal. I certainly am not going to approve if an employer wants me to commit visa fraud and pay someone less than prevailing wage.

When you file a change of employer H-1B petition for an employee who already has an H-1B with a different employer, the start date will change. For example, Company A petitions for Employee X. Employee X has valid H-1B visa with Company B from 10/01/2010 to 09/30/2013. Company A indicates on the forms a start date of 3/3/2013 and an end date of 3/2/2016. The maximum allotted time in H-1B status is 6 years. Therefore, assuming Employee X's initial date in H-1B status is 10/01/2010, he has until 09/30/2016.

If USCIS approves the petition, then Employee X's validity dates for the H-1B visa will be 3/3/2013-3/2/2016. This is because H-1B visas are employer-dependent. Changing an employer means changing validity dates. Note that USCIS only determines whether a person qualifies for a visa and what the validity dates are according to the visa's parameters. However, the Dept. of State is the sole party that determines whether a person can enter the U.S. (if abroad) and/or receive the full term of the visa. For instance, nationals of China may get a shorter time from DOS, different than what USCIS has approved. This is why the I-94 arrival/departure card which is obtained upon entry to the U.S. is the true determinant of the validity dates, not the visa approval itself.

Also, it is important to note that Employee X is free to begin working with Company A as soon as USCIS receives the petition. Employee X does not have to wait for an approved petition before switching employers. This is known as 'portability.' If the petition were to be ultimately denied (USCIS hardly denies something outright, by the way), then the employee would have to be terminated immediately and Company A would have to pay for return transportation (as per H-1B rules).

Most new H-1B visas will be dependent on the cap set by Congress per fiscal year. FY 2014 begins October 1, 2013. The earliest anyone can file a petition with USCIS is 6 months prior to the start date.

This means anyone who wants to file for a new non-cap-exempt H-1B must do so no later than April 1, 2013. This year, April 1 falls on a Monday. Therefore, this year's deadline is March 29, 2013 (petitions must be postmarked by that date in order to be accepted by USCIS). The idea that it's simpler for an employer to get a new H-1B visa instead of filing a change of employer petition for a current H-1B visa holder is ridiculous. First off, there is the cap issue outlined above. Secondly, the costs are the same. There is no advantage to getting a new H-1B visa instead of filing on behalf of a current H-1B visa holder at all.

One of the biggest misconceptions and errors - also evident in the post above - is that there is a job search for H-1B visas. There is no such thing. Again, I repeat, there is no job ad placed for H-1B visas.

There's no requirement to conduct recruitment for H-1B visas. You are confusing it with the PERM process (also known as labor certification), which is what the infamous video from that law firm is discussing (by the way, most of the stuff they were talking about is now not allowed).

PERM is the first step for most employment-based visa holders who are seeking to become permanent residents of the U.S. (a/k/a 'green card' holders). PERM does not involve USCIS at all - in fact, it only involves the Department of Labor and the state's labor office branches. It includes recruitment provisions that, at a minimum, require a job to be posted in a large circulation newspaper on two consecutive Sundays, in addition to internal postings and a posting on the particular state's employment website.

PERM recruitment is heavily guided by DOL. There are very strict requirements on how the job ad must be written (for example, it cannot be tailored to the foreign national's credentials) and how the review of any resumes/applications received in connection with the recruitment activities must proceed. These are too long to get into and not pertinent to the subject of H-1B visas.

As for misusing job titles to circumvent the prevailing wage requirements of the H-1B, what you point out was a lot easier to do when DOL didn't issue its prevailing wage determination. In those days, unscrupulous employers could have certainly gotten off by doing just that (though that would have been stupid for a variety of reasons, too long to get into).

However, now the things are much different. The DOL reviews the job description and, based on that, provides a prevailing wage report. H-1B rules require that the employer pay at least the prevailing wage as determined by DOL or above.

For all companies I've had the pleasure of working or doing business with, performance standards are uniformly applied, regardless of citizenship or immigration status. Unless an employer wants to get an EEOC charge, it is in the company's best interest to conduct itself properly, ethically and legally. I have never had a situation where a company utilized different standards for visa holders when evaluating performance, raises, bonuses, demotions, terminations, etc.

Many companies that have international business relationships also employ people from all corners of the world and who may have held a visa at some point. In fact, most H-1B visa holders eventually become permanent residents of the U.S. Moreover, H-1B visa holders have to pay the same amount of taxes that all others do.

The only visa holders who are exempted from certain payroll taxes are F/M (students) and J (trainee/intern/au pair/researcher) aliens.

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It's not about helping us. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #1
very sad still_one Jan 2013 #2
Yep Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #4
sorry, not corporations introducing this bill. it's dems and repubs in congress nt msongs Jan 2013 #11
Correct. On whose behalf do you suppose this little provision was introduced?? MrSlayer Jan 2013 #12
who exactly do you think they work for? Skittles Jan 2013 #13
That's adorable. nt Union Scribe Jan 2013 #14
the dems and pubs are bribed to introduce it. yes, bribed, because our system is one of legal HiPointDem Jan 2013 #18
"...the corporations write the bills, the legislators sign them..." KansDem Jan 2013 #53
Dems and Repubs bowing to their corporate overlords n/t OhioChick Jan 2013 #50
Naive much? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #56
I agree....worked for EDS a few years ago Gin Jan 2013 #28
This. nt redqueen Jan 2013 #47
thanks for saving me the typing n/t Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #69
BINGO! Foreigners are paid way less and corporations make billions! DearHeart Jan 2013 #73
+100000000000000 limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #78
It's always about the profits. Always. gateley Jan 2013 #85
you're absolutely right liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #90
It will help corporations make even MORE profits, which they will kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #3
It will help us by providing more low income service jobs for Americans. DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #5
I want to see the undocumented workers get help, but I absolutely do not want to see JDPriestly Jan 2013 #6
I agree with you, my disappointment was the high tech job visa still_one Jan 2013 #7
I would like to see e-verify become mandatory for 3-4 years amandabeech Jan 2013 #41
It Is Like What I Posted In The Past ---- WAGE PARITY WITH THE THIRD WORLD TheMastersNemesis Jan 2013 #8
+100000 Thank you. woo me with science Jan 2013 #51
Then what keeps them in the USA? KansDem Jan 2013 #54
Ask anyone in the high tech field if more LibDemAlways Jan 2013 #9
I know. I am a software engineer and I agree still_one Jan 2013 #10
My software engineer husband was laid off from LibDemAlways Jan 2013 #35
Sounds a lot like my situation. After 20 plus years they let us go. I too found a job, but took a still_one Jan 2013 #65
My husband was 59 when he was let go. The ageism he encountered LibDemAlways Jan 2013 #87
Appreciate and understand what you are going through still_one Jan 2013 #88
if the Americans are unemployed hfojvt Jan 2013 #32
Well, those jobs aren't being offered to Americans. LibDemAlways Jan 2013 #34
Because the Americans will have other options jeff47 Jan 2013 #36
but if they do not have other options now hfojvt Jan 2013 #45
They don't have the option to get massively underpaid jeff47 Jan 2013 #66
Employees won't just leave unless the pay in their job and/or the working conditions are JDPriestly Jan 2013 #76
FFS, try reading. jeff47 Jan 2013 #82
But the interest in unemployed Americans in finding jobs should be more highly considered JDPriestly Jan 2013 #89
When there are or were plenty of jobs, H1-B visas were not such a controversial subject. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #75
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #15
This will make the RICH us ... GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #16
So, only lower paid workers should lose jobs to immigrants? Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #17
as with everything, they start with those least able to defend themselves, with fewest allies, HiPointDem Jan 2013 #19
All immigrants are either children, retired/disabled or working age adults. If they are working age, pampango Jan 2013 #20
H1Bs aren't immigrants jeff47 Jan 2013 #21
I knew that but it is an important distinction, so thanks for pointing it out. pampango Jan 2013 #22
Which is why you chose to change the subject, I guess. Romulox Jan 2013 #26
From the poster I was responding to? pampango Jan 2013 #38
No. Not all immigrants should be low-paid workers. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #77
H-1Bs are non-immigrant visas that allow the holder to seek permanent residence WilmywoodNCparalegal Jan 2013 #24
You speak of theory. Here's how it works in reality jeff47 Jan 2013 #31
Response - lengthy WilmywoodNCparalegal Jan 2013 #46
Thank you for your post. MrYikes Jan 2013 #52
Your perspective is from an environment where people stay close to theory jeff47 Jan 2013 #68
A couple of responses WilmywoodNCparalegal Jan 2013 #74
unless the employer is committing fraud JDPriestly Jan 2013 #81
I'm well aware that there are penalties that are supposed to prevent fraud jeff47 Jan 2013 #86
The H1-B visas bring in people to fill jobs that Americans could be trained or are capable of doing. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #80
H1Bs are not cheap. athena Jan 2013 #49
They're cheaper than the alternative jeff47 Jan 2013 #67
There is no 'regular' visa that does not leave them at the whim of an employer WilmywoodNCparalegal Jan 2013 #70
Read your first damn 4 words jeff47 Jan 2013 #72
+1000 lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #57
What a ridiculous answer. TL;DNR version: "you gotta exploit SOMEBODY!". Romulox Jan 2013 #25
What does "TL;DNR version: you gotta exploit SOMEBODY!" mean? pampango Jan 2013 #33
Things change. earthside Jan 2013 #30
+1 area51 Jan 2013 #92
Still waiting for a *coherent* answer to this one. nt Romulox Jan 2013 #27
I don't think that you're going to get a coherent answer to any immigration amandabeech Jan 2013 #43
The story back when they were losing those jobs jeff47 Jan 2013 #39
Two reactions lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #58
The only "us" it helps are profiteers. ananda Jan 2013 #23
We call working class people "racists" for daring to ask this question. Why are white collar Romulox Jan 2013 #29
Good question. n/t amandabeech Jan 2013 #44
Heh. +1. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #59
H1Bs provide one of the few skilled labor pathways to citizenship in the United States ponsheki Jan 2013 #37
If you want to encourage such people to move here jeff47 Jan 2013 #40
Well said, jeff47. pampango Jan 2013 #48
That isn't what has been happening. There are plenty of highly skilled people here who want to work still_one Jan 2013 #61
There is a real shortage of EEs and MechEs Recursion Jan 2013 #71
H1-B visas take jobs from qualified Americans. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #83
Because they pay Social Security and Medicare taxes but don't receive benefits Recursion Jan 2013 #42
That is an interesting point, not necessarily fair to them still_one Jan 2013 #62
Not *remotely* fair to them Recursion Jan 2013 #63
Define "us". lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #55
Because skilled immigrants who earn good salaries buy cars, which helps car dealers. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #60
Skilled immigrants with regular visas who wait their turn can do that. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #84
An enormous group of engineers and scientists are in their later forties and fifties. bluestate10 Jan 2013 #64
It was even in the inauguration speech limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #79
It also creates a brain drain in developing countries LittleBlue Jan 2013 #91
K&R woo me with science Feb 2013 #93
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