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forthemiddle

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95. Drunk driving

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:39 PM

Jan 2013

Last year, in my town, we had a young 16 year old girl go into her parents refrigerator, steal some beer, get in her car and proceeded to kill herself, and another innocent family that had the misfortune of being on the road at the same time.

This girl had NEVER been caught drinking before. In fact no one that knew her had any idea if she had ever drank before, this may have been her first time (shes dead so we can't ask her).

Is that the parents fault? In this case the deadly weapon (both alcohol, and car) were not even locked up. Do you blame the parents? Remember, they are now victims also, they lost their only child.

As far as I know, as of right now, we have NO idea how much info Mom, or Dad had on Adams mental state. We have some speculation from people who knew them, but no idea if Adam was ever even seen by a mental health professional, much less diagnosed with a disorder that would deem him unlawful to own a gun.

Until we get concrete past history information, from a legal source, everything is speculation.

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A law abiding gun owner was responsible for Newtown. [View all] onehandle Jan 2013 OP

Sorry, no. Deep13 Jan 2013 #1

No Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #2

His mother should not have had guns in the house with him. elleng Jan 2013 #4

+1000 Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #13

Excellent post. Union Scribe Jan 2013 #19

I Blame His Mother otohara Jan 2013 #87

He went on to say, elleng Jan 2013 #3

I'm thinking Nancy Lanza would have Cha Jan 2013 #7

Almost all, if not all of theses mass shootings ThoughtCriminal Jan 2013 #5

every man a potential rapist, and law abiding until iiibbb Jan 2013 #15

Not every person is a potential mass shooter. Only gun owners. Robb Jan 2013 #48

Wrong. They take them from gun owners B2G Jan 2013 #53

Nine-tents of the law, buddy. Robb Jan 2013 #55

Bullshit. You stated that gun owners were responsible B2G Jan 2013 #57

I didn't say that. But I could, and be right. Robb Jan 2013 #59

My blood pressure is just fine, B2G Jan 2013 #60

Educate yourself. B2G Jan 2013 #62

If you are the legal gun owner, HockeyMom Jan 2013 #78

I agree. We live in a gun culture, and all of its enablers are complicit in these senseless deaths. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #6

just as much as Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #9

We've had all of those things you just listed in our society for a very long time. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #11

I will thank you, been killing paper squares for 30 years Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #16

don't try to reason with them Skittles Jan 2013 #37

We also have a thriving drug and alcohol culture hack89 Jan 2013 #75

There's no need to resort to insults, Hack89. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #91

So spreading the deaths out make them more acceptable? hack89 Jan 2013 #93

Don't deliberately miss my point; it's unbecoming and makes you look silly. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #94

So lets focus on the real "cultures" hack89 Jan 2013 #96

It's hard to get people to accept anything but the most obvious & direct connections between patrice Jan 2013 #8

agreed to a point Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #12

I want to respect gun owners' rights as much as possible. For that to happen, they need to patrice Jan 2013 #33

Why do gun sales spike when gun controllers speak iiibbb Jan 2013 #10

It's true; gun control in one state doesn't mean shit. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #14

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #17

Oh the horror Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #22

Whatever. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #25

must ban it Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #29

Agreed. Ban it. Get yourself a big stick and tie a butter knife to the end of it. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #43

this is someone who is proud of slaughtering DUCKS Skittles Jan 2013 #38

Yeah. I don't know why I'm bothering. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #44

I don't own a gun. I never have. I never will. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #23

well all you have to do Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #18

Amendments have been repealed before. That pesky one doesn't make a lot of sense today. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #20

I wish you luck Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #27

"more power to you"? Skittles Jan 2013 #39

I think he already has. nt Chorophyll Jan 2013 #45

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH!! Zoeisright Jan 2013 #24

No. No more than law abiding car-owners are responsible for DUI deaths. Skip Intro Jan 2013 #21

For the 9 millionth time: Chorophyll Jan 2013 #26

and they can both Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #28

Wrong. Union Scribe Jan 2013 #31

My car is registered and insured and I have to renew my driver's license on a regular basis. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #46

You do not need a registration and insurance for a car if it does not go on public roads. hack89 Jan 2013 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author Chorophyll Jan 2013 #90

The same DOES apply to guns B2G Jan 2013 #58

potential mass killers Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #32

Some of us don't drink SWTORFanatic Jan 2013 #51

every gun used to commit illegal gun violence... mike_c Jan 2013 #82

That's ludicrous. If you extract events outside of THE event, then Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #30

That's extremely stupid slackmaster Jan 2013 #34

Good grief, hyperbole much? Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #35

Lying low on this one. CANDO Jan 2013 #88

sorry but no. PrezHillary2016 Jan 2013 #36

I can't believe the replies in this thread FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2013 #40

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #42

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Nnnnnnope cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #47

so when will all of us law abiding gun owners... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #49

No. The person responsible killed himself. lynne Jan 2013 #50

It's easy to be a law abiding gun owner when there are loopholes. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #52

Wow. Talk about barking up the wrong tree. geckosfeet Jan 2013 #54

Yep, she certainly was, as was the lack of real control, which allows unfettered access to such jmg257 Jan 2013 #61

Wow, you got the LEO's full report on Sandy Hook? B2G Jan 2013 #63

Why - is there some confusion on your part as to what went down? nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #64

Actually, a ton B2G Jan 2013 #65

Doesn't REALLY matter what HIS motive was now does it? As it pertains to this conversation? jmg257 Jan 2013 #67

Blaming the victim. Well done. B2G Jan 2013 #69

Waaaaa. We weren't talking about root cause. We were talking about how his Mom's guns jmg257 Jan 2013 #72

And it's just as possible B2G Jan 2013 #74

Yep - but he didn't did he? He got them from her with little trouble at all. jmg257 Jan 2013 #79

so you dont think WHY he did it... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #70

Not as it relates to this thread, which deals with responsibility in how he got the guns. jmg257 Jan 2013 #71

Adam Lanza basically stole his mother's guns and then shot her with them RZM Jan 2013 #66

Hmm...but he didn't steal someone else's guns did he? So who's guns did he steal? jmg257 Jan 2013 #68

Just not buying it RZM Jan 2013 #73

Maybe you should...she was murdered with HER OWN GUNS. jmg257 Jan 2013 #80

Drunk driving forthemiddle Jan 2013 #95

Whose guns were they? Was the possession of those guns forced upon the Mom? jmg257 Jan 2013 #97

Agreed. We'll never hear it, of course, but I would love to LibDemAlways Jan 2013 #85

"That she, too, became a victim is ironic." Isn't that the truth? jmg257 Jan 2013 #89

His mother was at fault. Rider3 Jan 2013 #76

Again, we don't know how those guns were accessed B2G Jan 2013 #77

BUT! Rider3 Jan 2013 #81

Yep - so just maybe NOT owning them would have turned out MUCH better for her, him jmg257 Jan 2013 #83

Do you really think that all guns B2G Jan 2013 #84

No - I don't think all guns are going to be banned. jmg257 Jan 2013 #86

If you cannot guarantee the security of your guns Robb Jan 2013 #92

Can you guarantee the saftey of your car? B2G Jan 2013 #98

Or death...depending which end of the barrel you are on. Unless of course there jmg257 Jan 2013 #99

True. And if we reduce the number of cars on the road B2G Jan 2013 #100

Agreed...except that traffic accident fataties don't surpass gun related deaths by much jmg257 Jan 2013 #101

61% of those deaths are due to suicide B2G Jan 2013 #102

Its actually talked about quite a bit. And only a very small percentage are accidents. jmg257 Jan 2013 #105

I can. Quite literally. Robb Jan 2013 #103

No. There is a difference B2G Jan 2013 #104

Yes, but if you won't even deign to take responsibility, why should we trust you? Robb Jan 2013 #106

You're juding gun owners to be irresponsible B2G Jan 2013 #107

Responsibility for your guns is some kind of unicorn for you. Robb Jan 2013 #108

WTF does this even mean? B2G Jan 2013 #109

I'm not stereotyping. I'm talking about you. Robb Jan 2013 #111

Show me where I balked at insurance B2G Jan 2013 #113

We do know this - that you are trying to defend another former gun owner jmg257 Jan 2013 #112

Were the weapons belonging to AL's mother securely locked up? no_hypocrisy Jan 2013 #110