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maggiesfarmer

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48. thanks! I gave it 10 minutes of overview, mostly focused on the data section....

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:42 PM

Jan 2013

My conclusion is that there appears to be enough here to warrant further research by some graduate student in psychology, but not enough to draw a conclusion just yet.

- sample size is >4000, which is significant by my standards
- data was gathered 1994 - 1996; the authors readily admit this questions whether their findings would still apply today
- the authors used some statistical methods for handling incomplete data that many will object to. I don't have the stat background to comment further but they do cite the methods they used and discuss their application
- data suggests that more egalitarian marriages have sex 1.6 times less per month, over a 20% reduction that's significant
- paper doesn't provide a sample survey, so complete understanding of the question order and wording isn't obtainable, but the authors do discuss question formation around the two topics

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move over and pass me a beer, please.... mike_c Jan 2013 #4

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Maybe because they realize how tired you get trying to work 2 jobs? loudsue Jan 2013 #2

I call shenanigans on that study n/t blogslut Jan 2013 #3

GMTA - sounds like BS we can do it Jan 2013 #24

because you don't like it? cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #38

I would like to see the actual study blogslut Jan 2013 #39

The headline language "get more sex" is a sexist giveaway. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #146

The data is nearly 20 years old mythology Jan 2013 #111

Perhaps the causal relationship ... surrealAmerican Jan 2013 #6

In the casual relationships, I'd guess it would be the opposite Thor_MN Jan 2013 #143

I've done a study and I can confirm that supposition. bluedigger Jan 2013 #160

Perhaps men empathetic enough to join in housework chores as a group may also be more honest? Uncle Joe Jan 2013 #7

With their wives? Or in general? jberryhill Jan 2013 #8

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The hand wringing brigade is at it again Katashi_itto Jan 2013 #149

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Ahhh an attempt at a "biting comment" ..zzzzzz Katashi_itto Jan 2013 #194

Par for the course Scootaloo Jan 2013 #141

"I think in general" Scootaloo Jan 2013 #142

Uh huh. Aerows Jan 2013 #9

Does this mean wives typically prefer their man to be a macho, macho man? indepat Jan 2013 #10

More sex doesn't necessarily mean a good lover wryter2000 Jan 2013 #18

The macho man who doesn't do housework will invariably report that he has more sex than Nay Jan 2013 #54

Oh, yeah! So true. narnian60 Jan 2013 #55

Total B.S. A caring man with no preconceived ideas of "his" role vs. "hers" is de facto CTyankee Jan 2013 #11

I think you've hit on the secret. The study is accurate. FBaggins Jan 2013 #177

yep. great reply. absolutely right. my sons in law are stellar examples.... CTyankee Jan 2013 #178

Yeah, and it's possible that an asshole who doesn't help around the house Evoman Jan 2013 #12

You. Are. Correct. n/t mia Jan 2013 #75

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Tell me about it. sadbear Jan 2013 #13

Well, duh Bok_Tukalo Jan 2013 #14

Trashing....3....2...1....Bye-Bye!! nt. OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #15

You'd think it would be the opposite. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #16

Reminds me of a joke: A man gets a visit from God. "You've been good so I'll... BlueJazz Jan 2013 #22

Haha! MrSlayer Jan 2013 #31

I believe it is. Nothing kills desire like resentment. smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #44

Hmmm, why would you score extra points for doing what needs to be done to run a household? Sadiedog Jan 2013 #58

Going above and beyond the call of duty deserves a reward. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #66

Yeah, what is that? Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #152

OK, now, see, Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #106

So, working at a job doesn't count for anything? MrSlayer Jan 2013 #121

You didn't just say this: Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #123

wow. right? liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #125

Everyone is different. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #129

didn't say you had to care liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #131

Exactly. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #134

I do think it is neanderthal thinking but like I said I'm not married to you liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #137

Fair enough. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #139

okay that made me smile. You have a good day too. Hope I did not offend and if I did I apologize. liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #140

Nah, it's cool. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #144

It is a traditional scenerio, yes. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #126

sex as a reward? liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #128

Yeah. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #133

I guess for me it's just not directly relatable, maybe indirectly liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #136

Haha! Well it's not like that exactly. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #147

"Sometimes both people have to work." Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #130

Many women work all fucking day AND the have to do all the damn housework. alarimer Jan 2013 #173

I know. Read down. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #175

Thankfully, I find the opposite true. I'd hate to resent cooking. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #19

If anyone finds the text of the complete study report, please link or post it. maggiesfarmer Jan 2013 #20

. Go Vols Jan 2013 #26

thanks! I gave it 10 minutes of overview, mostly focused on the data section.... maggiesfarmer Jan 2013 #48

What the hell is a "masuline task"? Texasgal Jan 2013 #21

Well, you know, like paying the bills! Rex Jan 2013 #29

LOL, my mom always paid the bills. n/t winter is coming Jan 2013 #59

This seems all akin to, our charts say 'women should stay in the kitchen' dogma. Rex Jan 2013 #95

I'm pretty skeptical about any statistics that rely on people winter is coming Jan 2013 #162

I agree, too subjective. Rex Feb 2013 #195

Typo. Masculine "tusk" TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #43

Yard work, digging up the garden, cleaning the storm gutters, painting. bluestate10 Jan 2013 #46

Something like... Union Scribe Jan 2013 #167

heh! Texasgal Jan 2013 #184

If both do the same quantity of work, maybe One_Life_To_Give Jan 2013 #23

Scientific poll on what women think of their ass: Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #25

Is this from The Onion? Rex Jan 2013 #27

I'll take this with a grain of salt. Romulus Quirinus Jan 2013 #28

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lol Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #32

oh boy name not needed Jan 2013 #33

... "get less sex" ... at home ... RKP5637 Jan 2013 #34

Too busy cleaning to have an affair NoOneMan Jan 2013 #35

What if both spouses are men? alphafemale Jan 2013 #36

That does it, this is the last time I wash dishes or vacuum liberal N proud Jan 2013 #37

Clearly, then, the answer is to avoid marriage. Z_I_Peevey Jan 2013 #41

I would question the study LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #45

So??? Vattel Jan 2013 #47

despite my snarky answer above... mike_c Jan 2013 #49

Dont need it as often DJ13 Jan 2013 #51

. . . Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #110

That depends on how good they are at it. randome Jan 2013 #52

Maybe THEY are too tired HockeyMom Jan 2013 #53

sounds like the beginning of a case for gay marriage 0rganism Jan 2013 #56

I call bs on this study kimbutgar Jan 2013 #57

Totally can't be true. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #60

Maybe, just maybe laundry_queen Jan 2013 #61

Correlation is not causation Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #62

Exactly Paulie Jan 2013 #72

the authors are not implying causation. it's hard to say what they are implying La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2013 #172

The lead author definitely is Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #174

This home cook begs to differ. Glassunion Jan 2013 #63

Ummm, kinda off topic Beearewhyain Jan 2013 #89

Thank you. Glassunion Jan 2013 #104

Copying and saving Beearewhyain Jan 2013 #118

Good eye... It is a NY strip. Glassunion Jan 2013 #120

Artists always push boundaries Beearewhyain Jan 2013 #122

That would ...um...work for me. smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #168

Quite happy. Glassunion Feb 2013 #197

IMO study funded by "macho" men who refused to do housework. nt Raine Jan 2013 #64

you're probably right liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #105

I was about to do the dishes. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #65

Doing housework is tiring and it's hard, fadedrose Jan 2013 #71

It plays into the stereotype that women find macho men or alpha males to be sexier than other men davidn3600 Jan 2013 #67

A stereotype with some basis in truth. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #69

yada yada yada. evo psych. i cannot believe anyone is still buying into this cult. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #70

Not a cult. Established science. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #73

nah. the scientists say, please, stop.... but their following sucks the garbage up. check out seabeyond Jan 2013 #76

You are trying to claim that we are not animals. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #79

so really, you are just making it up as you go to fit the story you want. that is all evo psych is seabeyond Jan 2013 #80

I can easily list names of real scientists. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #85

guesses. story telling. they take todays thinking and apply it to beginning of time seabeyond Jan 2013 #86

Dawkins is also a real scientist. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #90

dawkins wrote his book what? in the 70's? even 2003 is out dated. they are finding things out seabeyond Jan 2013 #92

You are arguing with an agenda that can't allow the proof of galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #161

wow, if you did not manage to pile in a lot of loaded bullshit into this one post seabeyond Jan 2013 #163

I'm a giver! galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #165

a man, no... no you are not a giver. per your evo psych. that would be the woman. seabeyond Jan 2013 #166

in all honesty, evo psych is a misnomer galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #176

but it is the woo woo that is being spouted. not biological biology. seabeyond Jan 2013 #179

The concepts espoused are repeatable and to a skilled observer galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #180

this is the atheist version of the patriarchy of religion. no more. for those men to use in the seabeyond Jan 2013 #185

Shaming no matter how veiled in prose is still an attempt to shame, but of course I called it. galileoreloaded Feb 2013 #196

So rich men get ladies by taking out trash and digging gardens? leftstreet Jan 2013 #82

Social status plays a big part for female mate selection. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #83

do you think it might have something to do with women NOT allowed to work, dependent on man to EAT seabeyond Jan 2013 #87

Put your strawman back in the barn. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #91

it is not a strawman when i address the exact point you put out. you are the one that said women seabeyond Jan 2013 #93

Yeah but the open doors for women hasn't really changed their habits davidn3600 Jan 2013 #103

that wouldnt have to do with that evo theory but more the dynamics we have to work with seabeyond Jan 2013 #107

In hunter gatherer tribes tama Jan 2013 #135

men who help cook and clean get the ladies because they give the lady liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #101

So true. smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #169

We are animals tama Jan 2013 #127

Woo. The Earth isn't warming either I suppose and Jesus rode a dinosaur. Bonobo Jan 2013 #186

evo psych is a whole other animal of story telling. but then.... seabeyond Jan 2013 #187

You have created, as usual, a strawman to diassemble. Bonobo Jan 2013 #188

i am challenging the evo psych. that is what was being spewed. because i challenge what was being seabeyond Jan 2013 #189

Well it sounds like you are attacking the entire concept of evolutionary psychology as if Bonobo Jan 2013 #190

i am attacking, as is real scientist attacking, evo psyc. that is not the same as evolutionary seabeyond Jan 2013 #191

I am in agreement that this study is foolish. nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #192

My wife's been bugging me to change the oil in the Prius rightsideout Jan 2013 #68

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I can vouch for this!!! nt Courtesy Flush Jan 2013 #77

Less doesn't necessarily mean worse daleo Jan 2013 #78

Oh, how I long for the old "unrec" button. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #81

LOL- Thanks, I needed that. UtahLib Jan 2013 #138

I think a man vacuumming is pretty darn sexy! n/t onestepforward Jan 2013 #88

I have always found a man who really, I mean really knows how to cook very sexy liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #108

They "GET" less sex? hmmm. nt Zorra Jan 2013 #96

amazing huh, that the story is all about the men and how much they get, the womans sexuality seabeyond Jan 2013 #99

Yeah, I caught that too. Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #113

Well now, my wife will love this post! B Calm Jan 2013 #97

Not in my house. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #98

traditional women are obligated to have sex liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #100

i dont get this. i did not read where the woman is solely responsible for amount of sex. seabeyond Jan 2013 #112

just simply offering a hypothesis why traditional men may have more sex liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #117

no... you missed the point. everyone is talking about men having more sex. guess what. women are seabeyond Jan 2013 #154

How is paying bills manly? Politicalboi Jan 2013 #109

I call BS on this study Hekate Jan 2013 #115

My fianc�e is this way LittleBlue Jan 2013 #119

My recent observation is that a 54-year-old unmarried man who lives alone and does all the housework slackmaster Jan 2013 #124

Now that I stopped laughing. reverend_tim Jan 2013 #145

A friend of mine died a year ago yesterday. I helped her family clean up her stuff. slackmaster Jan 2013 #158

Not that bad yet. but I fear it. reverend_tim Jan 2013 #164

OK, that was funny! Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #153

No worries, really. I'll turn 55 on Sunday. I've had more than my share of fun. slackmaster Jan 2013 #159

or fatigue for all the housework. nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #132

Over 27 years of marriage quaker bill Jan 2013 #148

that is the difference i see. being a stay at home, i get everything done at the house. so we both seabeyond Jan 2013 #155

You mean all this time... rucky Jan 2013 #150

I don't believe that. And no, I didn't read the article. I just flat don't believe it. nt raccoon Jan 2013 #156

good because once you read the actual info, it is a bullshit head line and not seabeyond Jan 2013 #157

Nonsense CBGLuthier Jan 2013 #170

i wish i had the actual study. i wonder if its based in self-reports and what they controlled for La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2013 #171

this one gives a little more info, i think seabeyond Jan 2013 #181

i found the original work. it's long and i'll read it later La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2013 #182

gee.....i`ve done that stuff since i was a kid..... madrchsod Jan 2013 #183

Not in this house. OnionPatch Jan 2013 #193

LOL! JesterCS Feb 2013 #198