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Johonny

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23. I think methane or other hydrocarbons still likely
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:52 PM
Jan 2013

hydrogen is generally a pain to store and transport. We are getting better and better at making hydrocarbons and fuel cells that run on methane should be available. That said there are some pretty cool hydrogen fuel cells out there these days. I'm not sold on the hydrogen economy though. I think hydrocarbons have a long track record and really can be incorporated more readily into most societies. The trick is to not use sequestered hydrocarbons but those generated from the CO2 in the air. Which many companies are working on, although their stock prices would indicate it isn't at all a mature process.

Once again oil, natural gas, a lithium battery, hydrogen or man made hydrocarbons are all the same thing. They are all energy storage devices that ultimately get their main energy from the sun. This is always going to be true unless fusion is finally conquered as a mature technology. The trick humans need to do is to stop using sequestered carbon and run on more modern energy storage devices. How rapidly we incorporate this technology is how different we live in the future. One thing is for sure, if human continue the current use rate of sequestered hydrocarbons the standard of living of those in the future is clearly going way down.

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Everything major happens by transition, kentauros Jan 2013 #1
The alternative is not merely a reduced standard of living (whatever that means). bemildred Jan 2013 #2
Well i think what it means is say the ability to eat fruits and vegetables in winter el_bryanto Jan 2013 #4
That's a good example of the problem. bemildred Jan 2013 #22
If my ex roomate hadn't cooked chili for herself. FrodosPet Jan 2013 #30
Oh hey, don't give up just because of one bad experience. nt bemildred Jan 2013 #35
As an engineer, I believe it is possible. We could make changes, but FSogol Jan 2013 #3
Keystone Pipeline earthside Jan 2013 #5
we "could" but we aren't KurtNYC Jan 2013 #6
So your contention is that the we could reduce our dependence on oil without significantly el_bryanto Jan 2013 #7
I think our standard of living has been steadily declining since about 1978 or so. KurtNYC Jan 2013 #9
It doesn't matter how much green energy sources are deployed NoOneMan Jan 2013 #32
I think it's entirely possible. HappyMe Jan 2013 #8
Hydrogen mn9driver Jan 2013 #10
Where do you get the Hydrogen from? Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #11
Ummm. I'm pretty sure I made the problems clear in my post. mn9driver Jan 2013 #15
I think methane or other hydrocarbons still likely Johonny Jan 2013 #23
The only way to stop or reverse global warming hogwyld Jan 2013 #12
The 'standard of living' for most people already sucks n/t leftstreet Jan 2013 #13
It now appears to be a matter of adapting to, not stopping climate change. GROW FOOD. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #14
I hate mowing grass but there is a great sense of satisfaction PLARS1999 Jan 2013 #16
Hey PLARS1999...Welcome to DU.. Tikki Jan 2013 #17
True! And welcome to DU! Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #19
COULD we do it. No doubt. Europeans live a much more environment-friendly life style. pampango Jan 2013 #18
Our standard of living will soon be substantially reduced for us whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #20
People literally die without air conditioning. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #21
Doubtful. But every small sacrifice we make now significantly raises the SOL for our descendants. raouldukelives Jan 2013 #24
We can't even stop CO2 rises Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #25
Thats important for people to understand NoOneMan Jan 2013 #31
By killing off 7 billion people yearning to emit like us, yes NoOneMan Jan 2013 #26
Runaway global warming will reduce our standard of living. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #27
Sure. Let's just redifine what constitutes a desirable standard of living. RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #28
right limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #29
Of course we can rightsideout Jan 2013 #33
The problem with these green promises is people think we have a handle on this NoOneMan Jan 2013 #34
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