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seabeyond

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93. it is not a strawman when i address the exact point you put out. you are the one that said women

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:10 AM

Jan 2013

dating men of higher status was yada yada yada.

i argued that point. i argued it well. i blew your theory out of the water with reality, fact.... history. it isnt guesses. it is there to actually see. you want to ignore what is in front of your face, and hold onto a made up story and proclaim it as a truth.

no strawman, my friend. argue what i say. i am curious. i am curious about women dependent on men to eat, thru mens dominance and control. and women being told that is an innate character. by MEN. then, when women are no longer dependent on men, that is no longer an issue. no longer an innate character of women. they evolved that much in a mere couple decades.

or, with independence and freedom. you know... conditions changing.

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yada yada yada. evo psych. i cannot believe anyone is still buying into this cult. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #70

Not a cult. Established science. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #73

nah. the scientists say, please, stop.... but their following sucks the garbage up. check out seabeyond Jan 2013 #76

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so really, you are just making it up as you go to fit the story you want. that is all evo psych is seabeyond Jan 2013 #80

I can easily list names of real scientists. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #85

guesses. story telling. they take todays thinking and apply it to beginning of time seabeyond Jan 2013 #86

Dawkins is also a real scientist. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #90

dawkins wrote his book what? in the 70's? even 2003 is out dated. they are finding things out seabeyond Jan 2013 #92

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wow, if you did not manage to pile in a lot of loaded bullshit into this one post seabeyond Jan 2013 #163

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a man, no... no you are not a giver. per your evo psych. that would be the woman. seabeyond Jan 2013 #166

in all honesty, evo psych is a misnomer galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #176

but it is the woo woo that is being spouted. not biological biology. seabeyond Jan 2013 #179

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this is the atheist version of the patriarchy of religion. no more. for those men to use in the seabeyond Jan 2013 #185

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do you think it might have something to do with women NOT allowed to work, dependent on man to EAT seabeyond Jan 2013 #87

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it is not a strawman when i address the exact point you put out. you are the one that said women seabeyond Jan 2013 #93

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that wouldnt have to do with that evo theory but more the dynamics we have to work with seabeyond Jan 2013 #107

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evo psych is a whole other animal of story telling. but then.... seabeyond Jan 2013 #187

You have created, as usual, a strawman to diassemble. Bonobo Jan 2013 #188

i am challenging the evo psych. that is what was being spewed. because i challenge what was being seabeyond Jan 2013 #189

Well it sounds like you are attacking the entire concept of evolutionary psychology as if Bonobo Jan 2013 #190

i am attacking, as is real scientist attacking, evo psyc. that is not the same as evolutionary seabeyond Jan 2013 #191

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amazing huh, that the story is all about the men and how much they get, the womans sexuality seabeyond Jan 2013 #99

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i dont get this. i did not read where the woman is solely responsible for amount of sex. seabeyond Jan 2013 #112

just simply offering a hypothesis why traditional men may have more sex liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #117

no... you missed the point. everyone is talking about men having more sex. guess what. women are seabeyond Jan 2013 #154

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or fatigue for all the housework. nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #132

Over 27 years of marriage quaker bill Jan 2013 #148

that is the difference i see. being a stay at home, i get everything done at the house. so we both seabeyond Jan 2013 #155

You mean all this time... rucky Jan 2013 #150

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good because once you read the actual info, it is a bullshit head line and not seabeyond Jan 2013 #157

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this one gives a little more info, i think seabeyond Jan 2013 #181

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