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jmg257

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112. We do know this - that you are trying to defend another former gun owner

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:58 PM

Jan 2013

whose culpibility in her own murder and the murder of 26 other innocent people is beyond question.

"...authorities have said the gunman, her 20-year-old son Adam, used the guns she kept at their home to carry out a massacre that became the second-deadliest school shooting in U.S. history"

I think we also see a level of selfishness in YOUR arguments (not all gun owners). Maybe we are wrong, but it really doesn't seem that way.

edit: "culpability describes the degree of one's blameworthiness in the commission of a crime or offense"
"culpability is a measure of the degree to which an agent, such as a person, can be held morally or legally responsible."
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3. A person acts recklessly with respect to a material element of an offense when he consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the material element exists or will result from his conduct.
4. A person acts negligently with respect to a material element of an offense when he should be aware of a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the material element exists or will result from his conduct.

Yep - culpable & partly responsible.

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A law abiding gun owner was responsible for Newtown. [View all] onehandle Jan 2013 OP

Sorry, no. Deep13 Jan 2013 #1

No Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #2

His mother should not have had guns in the house with him. elleng Jan 2013 #4

+1000 Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #13

Excellent post. Union Scribe Jan 2013 #19

I Blame His Mother otohara Jan 2013 #87

He went on to say, elleng Jan 2013 #3

I'm thinking Nancy Lanza would have Cha Jan 2013 #7

Almost all, if not all of theses mass shootings ThoughtCriminal Jan 2013 #5

every man a potential rapist, and law abiding until iiibbb Jan 2013 #15

Not every person is a potential mass shooter. Only gun owners. Robb Jan 2013 #48

Wrong. They take them from gun owners B2G Jan 2013 #53

Nine-tents of the law, buddy. Robb Jan 2013 #55

Bullshit. You stated that gun owners were responsible B2G Jan 2013 #57

I didn't say that. But I could, and be right. Robb Jan 2013 #59

My blood pressure is just fine, B2G Jan 2013 #60

Educate yourself. B2G Jan 2013 #62

If you are the legal gun owner, HockeyMom Jan 2013 #78

I agree. We live in a gun culture, and all of its enablers are complicit in these senseless deaths. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #6

just as much as Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #9

We've had all of those things you just listed in our society for a very long time. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #11

I will thank you, been killing paper squares for 30 years Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #16

don't try to reason with them Skittles Jan 2013 #37

We also have a thriving drug and alcohol culture hack89 Jan 2013 #75

There's no need to resort to insults, Hack89. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #91

So spreading the deaths out make them more acceptable? hack89 Jan 2013 #93

Don't deliberately miss my point; it's unbecoming and makes you look silly. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #94

So lets focus on the real "cultures" hack89 Jan 2013 #96

It's hard to get people to accept anything but the most obvious & direct connections between patrice Jan 2013 #8

agreed to a point Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #12

I want to respect gun owners' rights as much as possible. For that to happen, they need to patrice Jan 2013 #33

Why do gun sales spike when gun controllers speak iiibbb Jan 2013 #10

It's true; gun control in one state doesn't mean shit. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #14

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #17

Oh the horror Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #22

Whatever. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #25

must ban it Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #29

Agreed. Ban it. Get yourself a big stick and tie a butter knife to the end of it. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #43

this is someone who is proud of slaughtering DUCKS Skittles Jan 2013 #38

Yeah. I don't know why I'm bothering. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #44

I don't own a gun. I never have. I never will. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #23

well all you have to do Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #18

Amendments have been repealed before. That pesky one doesn't make a lot of sense today. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #20

I wish you luck Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #27

"more power to you"? Skittles Jan 2013 #39

I think he already has. nt Chorophyll Jan 2013 #45

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH!! Zoeisright Jan 2013 #24

No. No more than law abiding car-owners are responsible for DUI deaths. Skip Intro Jan 2013 #21

For the 9 millionth time: Chorophyll Jan 2013 #26

and they can both Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #28

Wrong. Union Scribe Jan 2013 #31

My car is registered and insured and I have to renew my driver's license on a regular basis. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #46

You do not need a registration and insurance for a car if it does not go on public roads. hack89 Jan 2013 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author Chorophyll Jan 2013 #90

The same DOES apply to guns B2G Jan 2013 #58

potential mass killers Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #32

Some of us don't drink SWTORFanatic Jan 2013 #51

every gun used to commit illegal gun violence... mike_c Jan 2013 #82

That's ludicrous. If you extract events outside of THE event, then Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #30

That's extremely stupid slackmaster Jan 2013 #34

Good grief, hyperbole much? Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #35

Lying low on this one. CANDO Jan 2013 #88

sorry but no. PrezHillary2016 Jan 2013 #36

I can't believe the replies in this thread FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2013 #40

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Nnnnnnope cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #47

so when will all of us law abiding gun owners... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #49

No. The person responsible killed himself. lynne Jan 2013 #50

It's easy to be a law abiding gun owner when there are loopholes. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #52

Wow. Talk about barking up the wrong tree. geckosfeet Jan 2013 #54

Yep, she certainly was, as was the lack of real control, which allows unfettered access to such jmg257 Jan 2013 #61

Wow, you got the LEO's full report on Sandy Hook? B2G Jan 2013 #63

Why - is there some confusion on your part as to what went down? nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #64

Actually, a ton B2G Jan 2013 #65

Doesn't REALLY matter what HIS motive was now does it? As it pertains to this conversation? jmg257 Jan 2013 #67

Blaming the victim. Well done. B2G Jan 2013 #69

Waaaaa. We weren't talking about root cause. We were talking about how his Mom's guns jmg257 Jan 2013 #72

And it's just as possible B2G Jan 2013 #74

Yep - but he didn't did he? He got them from her with little trouble at all. jmg257 Jan 2013 #79

so you dont think WHY he did it... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #70

Not as it relates to this thread, which deals with responsibility in how he got the guns. jmg257 Jan 2013 #71

Adam Lanza basically stole his mother's guns and then shot her with them RZM Jan 2013 #66

Hmm...but he didn't steal someone else's guns did he? So who's guns did he steal? jmg257 Jan 2013 #68

Just not buying it RZM Jan 2013 #73

Maybe you should...she was murdered with HER OWN GUNS. jmg257 Jan 2013 #80

Drunk driving forthemiddle Jan 2013 #95

Whose guns were they? Was the possession of those guns forced upon the Mom? jmg257 Jan 2013 #97

Agreed. We'll never hear it, of course, but I would love to LibDemAlways Jan 2013 #85

"That she, too, became a victim is ironic." Isn't that the truth? jmg257 Jan 2013 #89

His mother was at fault. Rider3 Jan 2013 #76

Again, we don't know how those guns were accessed B2G Jan 2013 #77

BUT! Rider3 Jan 2013 #81

Yep - so just maybe NOT owning them would have turned out MUCH better for her, him jmg257 Jan 2013 #83

Do you really think that all guns B2G Jan 2013 #84

No - I don't think all guns are going to be banned. jmg257 Jan 2013 #86

If you cannot guarantee the security of your guns Robb Jan 2013 #92

Can you guarantee the saftey of your car? B2G Jan 2013 #98

Or death...depending which end of the barrel you are on. Unless of course there jmg257 Jan 2013 #99

True. And if we reduce the number of cars on the road B2G Jan 2013 #100

Agreed...except that traffic accident fataties don't surpass gun related deaths by much jmg257 Jan 2013 #101

61% of those deaths are due to suicide B2G Jan 2013 #102

Its actually talked about quite a bit. And only a very small percentage are accidents. jmg257 Jan 2013 #105

I can. Quite literally. Robb Jan 2013 #103

No. There is a difference B2G Jan 2013 #104

Yes, but if you won't even deign to take responsibility, why should we trust you? Robb Jan 2013 #106

You're juding gun owners to be irresponsible B2G Jan 2013 #107

Responsibility for your guns is some kind of unicorn for you. Robb Jan 2013 #108

WTF does this even mean? B2G Jan 2013 #109

I'm not stereotyping. I'm talking about you. Robb Jan 2013 #111

Show me where I balked at insurance B2G Jan 2013 #113

We do know this - that you are trying to defend another former gun owner jmg257 Jan 2013 #112

Were the weapons belonging to AL's mother securely locked up? no_hypocrisy Jan 2013 #110