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leveymg

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64. I already took those factors into consideration in giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 02:28 PM

Jan 2013

The fact is, whatever information he shared with the North Vietnamese is ultimately unknown, except to John McCain and his interrogators. He certainly cooperated to an unusually high degree and received better than average treatment. I don't think I'm being unfair.

As for whether he was really turned as a sort of Manchurian Candidate, as some have alleged, I just don't know. McCain certainly has done enormous damage to the United States as politician, particularly his role in pressing the Iraq War.

His skills as a pilot are really irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned.

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Were you, John McCain, a good pilot or a bad pilot? Yes or No? [View all] Stinky The Clown Jan 2013 OP

Worse than that CBGLuthier Jan 2013 #1

ok I don't like repukes but backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #2

OK, I edited and added a link CBGLuthier Jan 2013 #8

a link to rumormillnews?really? backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #12

WTF is a McCain lover doing here? CBGLuthier Jan 2013 #16

I HATE his politics BUT backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #21

Oh so now assumption is okay as long as you are doing it. Rex Jan 2013 #52

With you, bob. elleng Jan 2013 #58

Made for Vacation, hahahahahahahhaahahahaha oh.... HA HAH! kooljerk666 Jan 2013 #73

So now anyone who disagrees with you about McCain is a McCain lover? nick of time Jan 2013 #24

Would you prefer wikipedia jeff47 Jan 2013 #34

The rocket that started the whole mess was not fired from McCains aircraft. nick of time Jan 2013 #35

My "link" is to a cousin who was in a VA hospital in Vermont. truebluegreen Feb 2013 #83

bwb The Forrestal fire is something every recruit iearns about in bootcamp. denbot Jan 2013 #68

Exactly. nt truebluegreen Feb 2013 #84

I assume you have proof of your claim? nick of time Jan 2013 #9

This is from Truthdigg pscot Jan 2013 #30

A friend was in that fire The Wizard Jan 2013 #45

there is alot of reasons to hate mccain... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #15

This is false hack89 Jan 2013 #17

I think McCain was just being McCain that day Brother Buzz Jan 2013 #25

What would you do if you saw a disaster unfolding right before your eyes? nick of time Jan 2013 #26

I don't know, pitch in and help instead of going off to pack his AWOL bag? Brother Buzz Jan 2013 #29

Help do what? nick of time Jan 2013 #31

Standard procedure to airlift only Admiral's sons? Brother Buzz Jan 2013 #41

Possible. nick of time Jan 2013 #43

During a fire when the first response team is decimated all hands fight the fire. denbot Jan 2013 #71

Apparently not this Admiral's son. nick of time Jan 2013 #72

Hey! Landing on an aircraft carrier is HARD!! Bake Jan 2013 #61

One of my flight instructors cloudbase Jan 2013 #3

a quote from someone only you know backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #7

I'm not the only one who knows him. If it's not enough for you, so be it. cloudbase Jan 2013 #18

name him backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #23

Why are you demanding someone name names? HangOnKids Jan 2013 #44

Heard the same from a navy pilot friend Stuckinthebush Jan 2013 #46

Thank You! HangOnKids Jan 2013 #49

Agree LukeFL Jan 2013 #79

he appears to be a disingenuous, bitter and angry man who has a humongous ego and imagines Voice for Peace Jan 2013 #36

Well said. nt truebluegreen Feb 2013 #85

LOL. TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #4

Old Johnie is just bad Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #5

He was flying his 23rd bombing mission over Hanoi nick of time Jan 2013 #6

That was the fourth plane he lost CBGLuthier Jan 2013 #13

There were a lot of pilots back then that lost planes. nick of time Jan 2013 #19

Gee golly Good pilots don't crash perfectly fine airplanes. CBGLuthier Jan 2013 #20

Whatever dude. nick of time Jan 2013 #22

Poor Sidney! The fuckstick was in over his head and made everyone pay for it HangOnKids Jan 2013 #47

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. nick of time Jan 2013 #48

Thanks Nick HangOnKids Jan 2013 #53

I've no doubt that he is, was, and will always be a class A asshole. nick of time Jan 2013 #55

Only Four? aka-chmeee Jan 2013 #75

Only four confimed kills Brother Buzz Jan 2013 #78

From someone who knew McCain and was also a pilot in Vietnam: AndyA Jan 2013 #10

He did not crash - he was shot down hack89 Jan 2013 #11

I think the more apt question is whether he was a good or bad POW? leveymg Jan 2013 #14

You are now 4Q2u2 Jan 2013 #60

I already took those factors into consideration in giving him the benefit of the doubt. leveymg Jan 2013 #64

Benefit of Doubt? 4Q2u2 Jan 2013 #70

The media will NEVER hold McCain accountable. He'll run to the cameras as soon as he gets the first Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #27

What exactly lsewpershad Jan 2013 #28

Only the media as far as I can see. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2013 #54

Just think, in an alternate universe he is beginning his second term as President (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #32

in a different alternate world uncle ray Jan 2013 #62

Oh man. nick of time Jan 2013 #65

The real trurh about McCain The Wizard Jan 2013 #33

Can't hardly wait for that account. nick of time Jan 2013 #38

Is this how you want to tear him down. 4Q2u2 Jan 2013 #63

That would be acting like Rove The Wizard Feb 2013 #81

Better Ways 4Q2u2 Feb 2013 #86

McCain is nuts. glinda Jan 2013 #37

Lousy Midshipman, lousy Naval Aviator, lousy Senator, lousy person. Scuba Jan 2013 #39

Yeah but JEB Jan 2013 #57

There's more Genghis_Sean Jan 2013 #40

Well, they did call him "ACE" bahrbearian Jan 2013 #42

Really don't care if he was a good pilot or not. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #50

Iteresting read JEB Jan 2013 #51

Another person unfit for office. Rex Jan 2013 #56

McCain will never get over the alsame Jan 2013 #59

Word! Brother Buzz Jan 2013 #67

Hagel was enlisted. McCain was an officer and "aviator" - haele Jan 2013 #74

And do you need JEB Jan 2013 #66

42 years as a professional pilot, this guy should santamargarita Jan 2013 #69

Great post! Rider3 Jan 2013 #76

Surely Senator McCain's paternal grandfather and father, both heroic 4-star admirals, turn over in indepat Jan 2013 #77

That question's already been answered. truebluegreen Feb 2013 #80

Brilliant. You were an expert VP picker, Yes or No nt Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2013 #82