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jmg257

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89. I agree with alot of that, but not the private militias. I am sorry,

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:27 PM

Jan 2013

but the true Militias just about always existed with state oversight and governmental authority. Especially constitutionally.

You did mention they would register, so I imagine you mean they would be part of a governmental entity? If not, then no way would I trust the...ideals of those who are most likely to form "private militias' as being in step with the good of the nation. There is nothing to keep them now, as they have in the past, from becoming unlawful combinations in support of only their own selfish notions. And no way should the people be allowed to arm themselves with whatever firearms they want without governmental regulations, simply under the guise of 'a militia'. That is not freedom, it is a mob in arms.

Background checks, registration are all fine. Capacity limits on handguns or something should also be considered. Plus all the usual criminal deterents - penalities, more LE etc.

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"We stop being something to be proud of when we love our guns more than we love our children" [View all] kpete Jan 2013 OP

This is surely one of the main things leading to our downfall. logosoco Jan 2013 #1

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ignorant is your borderline illiterate and dimwitted post cali Jan 2013 #3

How incredibly ignorant. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #4

NOT ONE SINGLE massacre has EVER been stopped by a civilian with a gun. NOT ONE. guardian Jan 2013 #13

The Mother Jones criteria are a catch 22, unfortunately Recursion Jan 2013 #15

a police officer even a former police officer is not a civilian Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #28

so what is the minimum "training and experience" guardian Jan 2013 #71

What about former military? ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #110

Really? RC Feb 2013 #122

Good thought...I was Army. What about Army vets or those with a CIB? ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #123

coming out of the woodwork Skittles Jan 2013 #6

We're pulling double shifts in MIRT Recursion Jan 2013 #7

looks like their dittomasters put the word out Skittles Jan 2013 #9

MIRT's Efforts Are Greatly Appreciated. (nt) Paladin Jan 2013 #10

indeed they are! Skittles Jan 2013 #11

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That IS a great idea! zappaman Jan 2013 #76

Message deleted by the DU Administrators lobo9er Jan 2013 #5

Bwahahaha! america has NEVER "loved our children"! Corrupted, sexualized, yes; WinkyDink Jan 2013 #8

and used as cheap labor in the day. nt Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #105

Nixon's strategy of god, guns, and gays is becoming increasingly irrelevant. Initech Jan 2013 #14

Now part of my sig line DainBramaged Jan 2013 #16

Its not an offense, its our RIGHT thefool_wa Jan 2013 #17

Why do you need assault weapons and high capacity magazines again? IveWornAHundredPants Jan 2013 #19

Defense against tyranny...read it again, its in there. thefool_wa Jan 2013 #20

A tank would be a better defense against tyranny, don't you think? IveWornAHundredPants Jan 2013 #21

but you CAN, if you have the money. thefool_wa Jan 2013 #23

Speech is limited, you can not go into a theatre and yell fire, you can not slander someone. Thinkingabout Jan 2013 #93

ALLOW, REALLY! thefool_wa Jan 2013 #95

It seems these weapons are already in the hands of some who clearly does not need them. Thinkingabout Jan 2013 #102

To an extent, I agree but... thefool_wa Feb 2013 #108

With a military that is larger than the next 10 militaries of the world ... Kennah Feb 2013 #111

Need is not a legitimate factor. Yes there are those with guns who should not have them ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #113

WHAT "TYRANNY"??? HughBeaumont Jan 2013 #22

IMaginary? Really? thefool_wa Jan 2013 #26

We made our voices known against GWB, and he ended up as one of history's worst presidents. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #30

I doesnt matter how people remember him thefool_wa Jan 2013 #35

Ok, you have a list of grievances & usurpations; when is your AR going to start helping? nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #32

this. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #127

WHO gave you the privilege of defining "tyrant" for EVERYONE else? You didn't ask me. If you had, patrice Jan 2013 #34

???? thefool_wa Jan 2013 #42

When that "necessity" comes WHO will identify it? WHO defines "tyrant"? Do I get a vote in your patrice Jan 2013 #46

You are viewing this from a very narrow angle thefool_wa Jan 2013 #47

I am viewing this from the angle of people who say they are going to start shooting "corruptive patrice Jan 2013 #58

Enjoy the real tyranny when it arrives thefool_wa Jan 2013 #60

100% Self-fulfilling prophecy & Now that I'm the "tyrant", though unarmed, I guess I should fear patrice Jan 2013 #62

Back at ya thefool_wa Jan 2013 #63

This is all you're idea not mine. My name is probably going in your "corrupting influence" book. patrice Jan 2013 #64

WOW thefool_wa Jan 2013 #73

"Per NBC news 203 people shot today as of 6pm"...not for nothing, that better be one fucking jmg257 Jan 2013 #70

Those were most likely criminals thefool_wa Jan 2013 #74

1st off, Constitutionally a regulated Militia isn't 'private military', it is a state entity. Period jmg257 Jan 2013 #75

Never mind - found it... nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #77

There is nothing that says that thefool_wa Jan 2013 #83

Since you are quoting some of the Second amendment you never quoted anything which said they cannot Thinkingabout Jan 2013 #104

I have not said zero regulation thefool_wa Jan 2013 #106

Actually, thoughtful notion jmg257 Jan 2013 #78

I feel the same way about an assault weapons ban thefool_wa Jan 2013 #81

I agree with alot of that, but not the private militias. I am sorry, jmg257 Jan 2013 #89

When you say "violence becomes necessary" logosoco Feb 2013 #116

When they are YOUR kids getting massacred, despite ALL your gun-huggin 'constant guard', jmg257 Jan 2013 #54

Don't Kid yourself thefool_wa Jan 2013 #57

Plenty of negative posturing about how ineffective the people and govt will be in jmg257 Jan 2013 #67

I never said PSYCHOS should have access thefool_wa Jan 2013 #79

I found your solution - thanks! addressed elsewhere. The 'problem' I see with the Militia jmg257 Jan 2013 #80

"that is exactly what I expect out of people here." Curious why you are a member then? jmg257 Jan 2013 #69

no - fair question thefool_wa Jan 2013 #84

The notion that the Second Amendment was to enable people to take up arms against the gov't ... markpkessinger Jan 2013 #43

Again, read deeper thefool_wa Jan 2013 #48

Nope, like the NRA, you're making sh*t up.... joeybee12 Jan 2013 #72

Read a history book. nt thefool_wa Jan 2013 #88

Great comeback...I'm impressed...read the Militia Acts of 1792...asshat...nt joeybee12 Feb 2013 #120

So when the Government comes marching down the street SomethingFishy Feb 2013 #130

The "tyranny of the government" line is bull to the shit. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #24

I'm gald to see you have already surrendered. thefool_wa Jan 2013 #33

People like you SCARE me. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #36

And people like you scare me thefool_wa Jan 2013 #37

Like I said: Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #39

I don't believe that will happen again thefool_wa Jan 2013 #44

"There is no MLK"--because Martin Luther King was shot by an idiot thucythucy Jan 2013 #97

I stand by it thefool_wa Jan 2013 #100

That's a ridiculous assertion, unsupported by any facts. thucythucy Feb 2013 #117

Right "tyranny comes in many forms" & If you can't recognize your OWN tyranny, you ARE the most patrice Jan 2013 #41

If you don't like the rights gauranteed to americans thefool_wa Jan 2013 #49

Love it or leave it? laundry_queen Jan 2013 #103

THIS IS A RIGHT! thefool_wa Feb 2013 #107

My right to life laundry_queen Feb 2013 #109

You do realize your 'protection against tyranny' was your right & duty to participate in a jmg257 Jan 2013 #29

You say you're sickened... ReRe Jan 2013 #31

There is no stopping it thefool_wa Jan 2013 #45

Seriously...that is your reply? ReRe Jan 2013 #56

School shootings in america go back to 1764 thefool_wa Jan 2013 #59

Well, now you are sounding a little more coherent... ReRe Jan 2013 #68

Bottom Line thefool_wa Jan 2013 #91

I couldn't disagree with you more... ReRe Jan 2013 #96

I don't understand how thefool_wa Jan 2013 #98

Wrong again Doctor_J Feb 2013 #121

Admit it, you would sacrifice ANYTHING & everything for your gun, even all of the potentials of your patrice Jan 2013 #38

No thefool_wa Jan 2013 #53

It's NOT your right if you oppress the rights of others by means of it; that makes it a PRIVILEGE. patrice Jan 2013 #40

2nd amendment, bill of RIGHTS thefool_wa Jan 2013 #55

Yo! Over-reactionary dumbass....I don't know how old you are, but WHEN JanMichael Jan 2013 #66

Thanks for the reasonalbe reply thefool_wa Jan 2013 #86

Your post is preposterous, from the get-go Doctor_J Feb 2013 #119

Idea for an editorial cartoon, if it hasn't already been done: Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #18

They have FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2013 #82

I think it's possible to demonstrate that the guns have become an absolute end in and of themselves patrice Jan 2013 #25

And yet people who do are posting, as we speak, in the gungeon... villager Jan 2013 #27

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2013 #50

Watch out! You're going to get deemed "a corrupting influence". nt patrice Jan 2013 #65

Wow again thefool_wa Jan 2013 #85

Here is what I support thefool_wa Jan 2013 #51

What are you scared of? FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2013 #87

Prove it, don't just assume because it backs your point. thefool_wa Jan 2013 #90

It's not a right to have a gun FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2013 #92

You don't know unless you try. thefool_wa Jan 2013 #94

The guns in norway FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2013 #99

Your argument is invalid thefool_wa Jan 2013 #101

You're not seeing the problem FunkyLeprechaun Feb 2013 #114

Eloquent. Elegant. True. duhneece Jan 2013 #52

Yes, and someone needs to contact the Commandant of the Marine Corps and put a stop to flyover22 Jan 2013 #61

Epic context fail. I don't think anyone is talking about taking guns away from the Armed Forces. Electric Monk Feb 2013 #112

I think the poster might be saying the opposite CJCRANE Feb 2013 #115

I took it as sarcastic/humorous as well ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #124

Yes, I took it as the poster being against the rifleman's creed. nt CJCRANE Feb 2013 #126

I'd refer you to my own post: Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #125

Huh?? WHERE in that is that the rifleman must love his rifle more than his children? MH1 Feb 2013 #128

It's a shame you cannot comprehend simple English as stated in the 'creed'. flyover22 Feb 2013 #129

there's almost nothing left in the US to be proud of Doctor_J Feb 2013 #118