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In reply to the discussion: What's the plus side of Hagel? I'm not seeing it. [View all]TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)54. Here's a quote:
But that should also have triggered alarm bells about what they really wanted to do. Well, it did. I'm not defending our votes; I'm just giving a little history of how this happened. You have to remember the context of when that resolution was passed. This was about a year after September 11. The country was still truly off balance. So the president comes out talking about "weapons of mass destruction" that this "madman dictator" Saddam Hussein has, and "our intelligence shows he's got it," and "he's capable of weaponizing," and so on.
And producing a National Intelligence Estimate that turned out to be doctored. Oh yeah. All this stuff was doctored. Absolutely. But that's what we were presented with. And I'm not dismissing our responsibility to look into the thing, because there were senators who said, "I don't believe them." But I was told by the presidentwe all werethat he would exhaust every diplomatic effort.
You were told that personally? I remember specifically bringing it up with the president. I said, "This has to be like your father did it in 1991. We had every Middle East nation except one with us in 1991. The United Nations was with us."
Did he give you that assurance, that he would do the same thing as his father?
Yep. He said, "That's what we're going to do." But the more I look back on this, the more I think that the administration knew there was some real hard question whether he really had any WMD. In January of 2003, if you recall, the inspectors at the IAEA, who knew more about what Saddam had than anybody, said, "Give us two more months before you go to war, because we don't think there's anything in there." They were the only ones in Iraq. We hadn't been in there. We didn't know what the hell was in there. And the president wouldn't do it! So to answer your questionDo I regret that vote? Yes, I do regret that vote.
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And producing a National Intelligence Estimate that turned out to be doctored. Oh yeah. All this stuff was doctored. Absolutely. But that's what we were presented with. And I'm not dismissing our responsibility to look into the thing, because there were senators who said, "I don't believe them." But I was told by the presidentwe all werethat he would exhaust every diplomatic effort.
You were told that personally? I remember specifically bringing it up with the president. I said, "This has to be like your father did it in 1991. We had every Middle East nation except one with us in 1991. The United Nations was with us."
Did he give you that assurance, that he would do the same thing as his father?
Yep. He said, "That's what we're going to do." But the more I look back on this, the more I think that the administration knew there was some real hard question whether he really had any WMD. In January of 2003, if you recall, the inspectors at the IAEA, who knew more about what Saddam had than anybody, said, "Give us two more months before you go to war, because we don't think there's anything in there." They were the only ones in Iraq. We hadn't been in there. We didn't know what the hell was in there. And the president wouldn't do it! So to answer your questionDo I regret that vote? Yes, I do regret that vote.
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true dat. When did the two of them become in charge of the world? I missed that.
Laura PourMeADrink
Feb 2013
#14
Who? Let's hear some names. War hero, battle hardened, national defense experience....
Honeycombe8
Feb 2013
#6
If he thinks waging war is only a last resort, how do you explain his YES on invading Iraq?
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#20
You are wrong about that. 21 Democratic Senators voted NO in invading Iraq. 21. Not just Boxer.
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#42
Yeah, that's why I posted the list of Democratic Senators who voted NO before I posted the House.
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#61
He didn't give them the damaging headlines they pressed for, for eight hours.
TwilightGardener
Feb 2013
#47
You don't even have to leave the category of former Nebraska Senators to find a more decorated man
JVS
Feb 2013
#18
Hagel and Kerrey are good friends. He campaigned for him in Nebraska, which
TwilightGardener
Feb 2013
#50
He's not likely to lead the charge into a war with Iran. Maybe, that's too big for you to see.
leveymg
Feb 2013
#8
I have to differ: 1) tensions with Iran are higher now than in 2009; 2) the SOD exercises a
leveymg
Feb 2013
#19
Hagel's voting record does not support those theories at all. He voted for the Iraq Invasion which
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#24
Hillary did too and that turned out ok. But, I agree, if he could find someone who
Laura PourMeADrink
Feb 2013
#30
Like Kerry, he came out afterwards against the Iraq invasion and for restraint w/ Iran and a
leveymg
Feb 2013
#43
This is about the best one could possibly expect from the people running U.S. foreign policy.
leveymg
Feb 2013
#62
The difference between Hillary and Hagel (and Kerry) on this one is she endorsed the IWR and
leveymg
Feb 2013
#67
Hillary was a leading voice in the Senate for the IWR, didn't express doubts about WMD, and
leveymg
Feb 2013
#83
Both IWR votes proved wrong, but Hillary cheerled the war and influenced other Senators to vote yes
leveymg
Feb 2013
#84
Hillary and Kerry differ from Hagel in many ways. Here are a few of Hagel's bonus features.
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#73
What's ironic is that he and McCain thought they looked tough...but in actuality they looked
Laura PourMeADrink
Feb 2013
#31
Successful history with nuclear nonproliferation, and Obama trusts him on a personal level
Recursion
Feb 2013
#28
Hey! I have to say this is the first, the only statement in his favor that I have read on DU that
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#32
Glad to help! Nonproliferation is one of my "things", so I've followed Hagel for a while
Recursion
Feb 2013
#36
I have been challenging his supporters for weeks now, yours is the first actual factual piece of
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#40
Oh he's popular inside the beltway simply for being a Republican; that's the gushing
Recursion
Feb 2013
#41
The fans say things like 'every Democrat expect Boxer voted for the Iraq War'.
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#49
When was the last time someone who never had been a Republican had the position?
TheKentuckian
Feb 2013
#33
His hearing was not a hearing (for the GOP). It was intended to trap and disqualify him.
TwilightGardener
Feb 2013
#45
The biggest plus for Hagel is he has been war as a grunt. That alone qualifies him.
southernyankeebelle
Feb 2013
#53
He is a republican, and therefore is willing to serve the needs of the 1% without question, so
Zorra
Feb 2013
#56
He was one of the few who finally questioned why we spent so much man power and resources...
dmosh42
Feb 2013
#58
He voted for the Iraq War, while 23 Senators voted No, 21 of them Democrats.
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#68
I only claim that he at least did question his vote, while many of our own still haven't backed down
dmosh42
Feb 2013
#95
Well, sure hope you didn't vote for Kerry. Sure hope you don't vote for Clinton
TwilightGardener
Feb 2013
#79
I vote for Democratic nominees, none of the IRW yes voters had any support from me in primary
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#82
He voted Yes on the Iraq Invasion...later he claimed he was confused by the false data Bush
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#81
I'm with you. Less bad is not good. And when is he going to "reach across the isle"
Egalitarian Thug
Feb 2013
#86