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immoderate

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16. Killing people is not the function of a society.

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 02:34 PM

Jan 2012

It's dysfunction. It becomes obvious from the amount of solemn ceremony we cover it in. Nothing is gained and it chews away our dignity. To not kill, in spite of our predatory nature, is true human achievement.

Just because people deserve to die, doesn't mean we should accommodate them.

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This is one of those cases that I believe in the death penality [View all] jorno67 Jan 2012 OP

I don't.... mike_c Jan 2012 #1

Then I am wrong... jorno67 Jan 2012 #3

I too am wrong sometimes. Whisp Jan 2012 #70

The death penalty is NOT state sponsored murder MicaelS Jan 2012 #66

There are too many innocent people on death row rustydog Jan 2012 #113

EVERY district atty needs to do what the one in Dallas did. YellowRubberDuckie Jan 2012 #114

This guy would suffer a lot more hifiguy Jan 2012 #2

It's also cheaper to lock him up for life proud2BlibKansan Jan 2012 #5

Not cheaper for the taxpayers. RebelOne Jan 2012 #43

This has been proven. nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #51

Tax payers spend more on executions than life in prison. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #96

Yes it is cheaper due to legal costs attached to appeals of the death penalty proud2BlibKansan Jan 2012 #107

Wouldn't that depend on which he fears more? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #10

Why not lock him up the rest of his natural life? Quantess Jan 2012 #4

I don't know... jorno67 Jan 2012 #13

Wow, that's nauseating. Quantess Jan 2012 #41

He'll stew in his own juices Aerows Jan 2012 #52

I totally agree. I, too, am normally against the DP, but with this case and that of little Booster Jan 2012 #62

Dr. Pettit can no longer practice medicine. Some good news is that he is engaged to be CTyankee Jan 2012 #6

I didn't know Dr.Pettit is engaged Corgigal Jan 2012 #8

The girls' mother was strangled first. The older girl did get free of the rope binding her to the CTyankee Jan 2012 #80

Either you support it or not nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #7

Is the goal to make the world better? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #11

What is the goal in killing people? nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #14

I was under the impression it was punishment. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #15

Why not just lock him up for the rest of his life? Hugabear Jan 2012 #19

I always thought that was a lot more cruel. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #20

So you feel an extended false imprisonment would be a more serious NoGOPZone Jan 2012 #28

Are you saying this person would be falsely imprisoned? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #32

No. An Example NoGOPZone Jan 2012 #38

It would be to me. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #40

I feel the opposite but respect your consistency. Most people I pose NoGOPZone Jan 2012 #46

Punishment is application of negative stimulus. This is vengeance. immoderate Jan 2012 #21

Does the family deserve vengeance? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #25

Since when is our justice system based upon vengeance? Hugabear Jan 2012 #29

That was not what I asked. I asked if you thought the family deserved vengeance. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #30

Totally different situation Hugabear Jan 2012 #34

What if he killed him right after he committed the murders? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #37

It would be justifiable nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #48

Even if the convicted began to run in the opposite direction and the husband chased/shot him? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #50

That would be up to a jury to decide Hugabear Jan 2012 #49

My view is that if it was proven that the convicted committed the murders Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #53

After I read the last one, I agree nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #55

It's entirely outside of our legal system... JSnuffy Jan 2012 #99

is there any doubt that he did the crime? Adsos Letter Jan 2012 #18

to make sure they Carolina Jan 2012 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Jan 2012 #23

And a society that kills its citizens is superior how? nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #36

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I support it, and it is not revenge MicaelS Jan 2012 #68

That is what I wrote for my Death Penalty 410 class. blueamy66 Jan 2012 #105

Me too, Jorno67... Ecumenist Jan 2012 #9

Hmmmm Kelvin Mace Jan 2012 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Jan 2012 #27

Well, I did say Kelvin Mace Jan 2012 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Jan 2012 #79

Killing people is not the function of a society. immoderate Jan 2012 #16

What are your alternate suggestions for punishment? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #17

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Hugabear Jan 2012 #22

No. I am simply asking what you would rather see and why. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #24

Keeping them in prison seems to work pretty well Hugabear Jan 2012 #31

So locking them in an environment of rape and torture is preferable? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #35

Oh, so by killing them you are just "protecting" them nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #39

No. I'm just trying to see if the goal is to maximize punishment. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #42

Exactly what does "maximize punishment" mean? immoderate Jan 2012 #60

What about bank robbers and other violent criminals? Hugabear Jan 2012 #47

How is this RW or LW? Robbed items can be returned, lives not so much. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #54

Assuming we're talking about homocidal maniacs... immoderate Jan 2012 #44

+1 redqueen Jan 2012 #93

I agree wholeheartedly n/t OhioChick Jan 2012 #26

Actually, he did get life.... TheCowsCameHome Jan 2012 #33

Unfortunately, with appeals, it will be years later. chrisa Jan 2012 #78

Or they'll die of old age, whichever comes first. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2012 #87

My objection to the death penalty isn't about those that deserve it. Iggo Jan 2012 #56

I'm with Iggo on this one. No DUplicitous DUpe Jan 2012 #76

+1 redqueen Jan 2012 #94

I think you crossed the line ... GeorgeGist Jan 2012 #57

Really, in what way? Curious. Quantess Jan 2012 #71

While I won't lose any sleep over this particular case... Bruce Wayne Jan 2012 #58

What fraction of an innocent person are you willing to kill to get this guy? Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #59

You are either for capital punishment or you are not. MineralMan Jan 2012 #61

What if you're sort of ambivalent in cases like this? Quantess Jan 2012 #73

Again, you're either for or against the death penalty. MineralMan Jan 2012 #77

If you say so. Sounds like that means I'm for the DP, Quantess Jan 2012 #81

Then you are for the P obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #98

I'm not emotional about it at all, though. Quantess Jan 2012 #100

It is hard for me to be unbiased as I grew up in Cheshire and lived down the street from where Jennicut Jan 2012 #63

One other observation.... Kelvin Mace Jan 2012 #64

+1 jorno67 Jan 2012 #65

Cheshire police. No one there has ever dealt with anything. Jennicut Jan 2012 #69

Being improperly trained is not an excuse Kelvin Mace Jan 2012 #72

No, it is not. Jennicut Jan 2012 #75

I say genpop, for as long as it takes. cliffordu Jan 2012 #67

The Death Penalty should be abolished. white_wolf Jan 2012 #82

This is why I love the DU. It always makes me think. I can see both sides of the arguments... renie408 Jan 2012 #83

There definitely is room for ambivalence about the DP Quantess Jan 2012 #84

I am against the death penalty period. NYC Liberal Jan 2012 #85

Agreed. MrSlayer Jan 2012 #86

This killer of a 7-year-old girl deserved to die. RebelOne Jan 2012 #88

oook fascisthunter Jan 2012 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author RebelOne Jan 2012 #89

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One death does not get undone by another. I am opposed to the the death penalty. Stinky The Clown Jan 2012 #91

I think this is where I am at with this... jorno67 Jan 2012 #101

I will argue anything, sometimes just for the sake of arguing . . . . Stinky The Clown Jan 2012 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author RebelOne Jan 2012 #92

Why should we spend the extra resources on a murderer? ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #95

How many innocent people are you willing to put to death, in order to kill the truly guilty? Hugabear Jan 2012 #104

I am willing to sacrifice every living creature on Earth to make sure we kill the right one. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #111

Apologies Hugabear Jan 2012 #115

Happens all the time. No worries. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #116

Never could understand the death penalty, If they are dead their suffering has stopped krawhitham Jan 2012 #103

Nobody "deserves" the death penalty Major Nikon Jan 2012 #106

+1 trumad Jan 2012 #108

Resorting to execution is bad for humanity. surrealAmerican Jan 2012 #109

he's as bad as that awful guy who burned his family to death in Texas - oh, wait. nt arely staircase Jan 2012 #112

This is the story that Oprah did a story on in her last season. Firebrand Gary Jan 2012 #117

So I just saw Paradise Lost 3 last night jorno67 Jan 2012 #118

The state should not... meaculpa2011 Jan 2012 #119