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yellowcanine

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40. I am not against whistle blowing. That isn't what the student did, imo.

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 01:46 PM

Jan 2012

Whistle blowing in this instance would have been the student taking the picture of the sleeping teacher, showing it to school administrators AND THEN, IF the administrators simply ignored the infraction of the sub and only punished the student for violating school policy - going to a higher authority - or maybe even a news media outlet with the information. Whistle blowing is not unjustified violations of a person's privacy by posting pictures of them on the web without permission. The sub was sleeping, not abusing a student or committing some kind of crime against a student or another teacher. It is not ok to take pictures of people and post them on the internet without their permission. It just isn't. That is a much more basic principle than making sure that a sleeping teacher gets reprimanded.

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Picture of Snoozing Sub Gets Student Suspended [View all] Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 OP

Corrected the title. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #1

Yep, as usual, punish the messenger. RKP5637 Jan 2012 #2

I love the trumped up charges against the student. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #3

Yep, it sends the message to the student, submit to authority right or wrong, ask no questions, RKP5637 Jan 2012 #4

Teachers/authority is never wrong. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #5

The student was wrong to post the pic. Could have gone to school admin. instead. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #16

One of the things I find troubling today is that many events like this that would have RKP5637 Jan 2012 #41

Don't get me wrong - I am not defending the teacher. The teacher is being paid to supervise that yellowcanine Jan 2012 #47

This happened soooo long ago, it didn't seem to be a problem way back then. RKP5637 Jan 2012 #49

A lot of crap happened long ago in schools and didn't seem to be a problem. But it was. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #55

That was certainly true!!! Fortunately, I was in a very progressive school system that was RKP5637 Jan 2012 #56

Unfortunately I was not as lucky. I had some teachers who were downright sadistic. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #60

That's horrible that kids should be subjected to this type of crap. I would be still RKP5637 Jan 2012 #61

Yeah it pissed me off and even at the time I knew it was wrong. Public school also, btw. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #62

a substitute teacher is not a very powerful figure Enrique Jan 2012 #18

I nodded off once during surgery, but we were able to fix the colon I slightly nicked. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #22

My mother is an RN mackattack Jan 2012 #57

I recall well that sometimes the pressure was so great at work that many of us use to sleep RKP5637 Jan 2012 #27

I still do DerBeppo Jan 2012 #38

The stress on teachers today is incredible. It's one of the most worthwhile professions IMO, yet RKP5637 Jan 2012 #42

that's what it sounds like, but we don't know the details Enrique Jan 2012 #6

You touched on a good point I often think about, we never seem to get the RKP5637 Jan 2012 #11

There was that story mackattack Jan 2012 #58

This looks like a case where a picture is worth a 1000 words. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #13

Have you seen the picture? I couldn't find it. Brickbat Jan 2012 #15

Have a feeling it's been scrubbed. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #17

Oh, the way you were talking, I figured you had seen it, instead of just reading a vague story. Brickbat Jan 2012 #34

I have the same as you. The words of a parent and the words of some school officials. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #35

Was this the picture? lol RKP5637 Jan 2012 #48

Really? What does the picture say about the circumstances at that point in time? Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #37

I'm sure the other students can corroborate. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #39

Facts not in evidence. Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #46

If that was the case, then I hope that comes out. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #50

One would wonder if nykym Jan 2012 #7

if the sub had connections Enrique Jan 2012 #14

Pretty short on details. Nothing about whether this was during class time or what, so hard to get Brickbat Jan 2012 #8

If any student taking a pic of a teacher or other student and posting it gets suspended - Ok. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #9

"The student could have gone to school administrators" Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #10

So you would rather train a little James O' Keefe disciple? yellowcanine Jan 2012 #19

The powerful tend to protect their own. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #20

I imagine you have a very, very low bar for what you consider power... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #25

Compared to a student, very much so. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #26

Again, the bar you set for power is rather low. LanternWaste Jan 2012 #29

The gap in power between any teacher and a student is wide. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #31

Having the "proof" didn't require posting it for everyone to see. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #30

Yes, it would have been better to bring it to his parents and contact a lawyer. Agreed. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #33

I am not against whistle blowing. That isn't what the student did, imo. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #40

I would be afraid the administrators would just confiscate the camera and delete the photo. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #45

Openly taking a picture in a public setting also is not a crime Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #68

Taking the picture is not but posting it on the internet might be - at least in some jurisdictions. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #71

LOL. Ridiculous. tabasco Jan 2012 #72

Room full of students? Not the same as posting the pic on the WWW. No the student does not have yellowcanine Jan 2012 #73

So many missing details its hard to comment, but montanto Jan 2012 #12

Sounds like the wrong "follow up action" was taken n/t OhioChick Jan 2012 #21

So what did the student learn? Rex Jan 2012 #23

... and sleep during class. a simple pattern Jan 2012 #36

Hope the student, or the student's family, sues. eom tawadi Jan 2012 #24

My granddaughter was suspended for texting during class. LiberalAndProud Jan 2012 #28

I think we need to revisit the legality of low-power Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #69

Wasn't there a recent thread extolling the benefits of iPads in classrooms. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #32

Yes, I fail to see the relevance though. The school isn't banning cell phones, just using them in yellowcanine Jan 2012 #43

Pretty easy to take a picture where it looks like someone is sleeping. cbdo2007 Jan 2012 #44

Oh, look - it's an anti-teacher thread! Hugabear Jan 2012 #51

You view this as anti-teacher? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #52

Hell - I've had classes so boring Aerows Jan 2012 #53

I used to have a history class 2-3, and about 2:30 I used to almost fall asleep. The teacher was RKP5637 Jan 2012 #63

That one time Aerows Jan 2012 #65

Funniest one I ever had was in college. Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #70

LOL! Aerows Jan 2012 #75

I substitute at elementary schools on a regular basis Jennicut Jan 2012 #54

Just pointing out that we don't actually know that anyone was napping. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #59

Sleeping is the LAST thing I would do as a substitute. Are_grits_groceries Jan 2012 #64

how do they know he was sleeping and not just closing his eyes for a few moments and thinking ? JI7 Jan 2012 #66

My thoughts exactly. Quantess Jan 2012 #67

There's got to be more to this. Initech Jan 2012 #74