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191. Please. Spare me.

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:37 PM

Feb 2013

I am so sick and tired of everyone thinking they can "fix" every dog out there with just enough love and goo-goo eyes. Working dogs were bred for a reason and to think you can out socialize their genetics is stupid, stupid, stupid. There is a REASON top retriever guys pay $3,000 for a pup from champion parents just like there is a reason FCI German Shepherds only have an 8% incidence of hip dysplasia vs. over 40% for AKC dogs.

I have three German imported dogs right now that are in their kennels that will flat out have your lunch if you go in their kennels without me letting you in. I can assure you they have been trained to a level maybe, maybe, 1 in every 10,000 achieve and were socialized from the time they were puppies.

When I am around, they know who handles the situations. I am the boss and they let me deal with it. THAT is training and socialization. When left to their own devices, they meet a threat as they see fit, which is usually territorial aggression (a trait they have been bred to exhibit for over 200 years). THAT is GENETICS!

Genetics count. Get over it.

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Pitbulls Used to Be Considered the Perfect "Nanny Dogs" for Children -- [View all] xchrom Feb 2013 OP

"There are no bad dogs, only bad owners." nt truebluegreen Feb 2013 #1

Nonsense Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #42

Nonsense. truebluegreen Feb 2013 #46

I have more dog sense in my little finger finger Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #92

and yet with all your "experience" you need to make your case with personal insults. Bad dog. TeamPooka Feb 2013 #108

Please. Spare me. Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #191

nothing you said addresses your use of insults in this debate and that's what I commented on TeamPooka Feb 2013 #195

Off the topic, but your posts are the most interesting The Second Stone Feb 2013 #236

I agree that they breed for genetics, hollysmom Feb 2013 #240

your imported GSDs sound dangerous shireen Feb 2013 #306

You do not understand Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #311

wth? uppityperson Feb 2013 #347

Again, you do not get it. Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #381

You do get your exercise, don't you? eom uppityperson Feb 2013 #396

You are so right. The problems start when fools purchase problem dogs. DollarBillHines Feb 2013 #324

You are absolutely correct! defacto7 Feb 2013 #333

Thank you for the experienced insight get the red out Feb 2013 #208

Who the heck are you talking about? OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #233

There are breeds that are bred for a purpose Aerows Feb 2013 #247

I don't pretend shit and that was not my point OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #302

Until one randomly rips your arm off Aerows Feb 2013 #356

oh how patently untrue very very very untrue and I know for experience azurnoir Feb 2013 #359

I do not believe it Aerows Feb 2013 #364

you know what I don't care it happened azurnoir Feb 2013 #368

Fair enough Aerows Feb 2013 #370

I believe you about your dog azurnoir Feb 2013 #374

I actually would love to have a smaller Aerows Feb 2013 #375

I'm waiting for the story about Aerows Feb 2013 #367

Yeah well OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #405

+1. Professional horse trainer/breeder here, and owner of JRTs. Agreed on all fronts. riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #230

I think that breeding any animal LWolf Feb 2013 #287

I've had a Doberman Aerows Feb 2013 #244

Too much to type about the "why's" but suffice it to say Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #254

They are good dogs Aerows Feb 2013 #344

Your post got me interested in this topic Blecht Feb 2013 #276

Even though LWolf Feb 2013 #288

I do not know your dog and how can I asses it from a picture? What I do know is Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #293

I can't read any of that, LWolf Feb 2013 #338

Website for F�d�ration Cynologique Internationale (in English) JHB Feb 2013 #383

You are lucky to have such intimate knowledge of DUer truebluegreen. I have only met a few uppityperson Feb 2013 #295

Anyone who does not understand that in America, we breed a ton of unhealthy, Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #299

I agree AKC and breeding practices for a physical trait is idiotic. Am just saying I am envious of uppityperson Feb 2013 #301

If my post was presumptuous, it was because Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #304

"nonsense" is preposterous. Oh. Kay. Have a good day. uppityperson Feb 2013 #308

Any dog CAN be bred indiscriminately and there can be bad dogs but uppityperson Feb 2013 #292

No it is not. Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #296

They CAN be bred indiscriminately but I know people who breed them and are very careful of uppityperson Feb 2013 #303

Really? I would like you to expand on this. Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #305

Good dog, friendly, smart, no health problems=possibility of breeding. Simplistically put. uppityperson Feb 2013 #348

In other words, you have no standards. Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #380

This is an internet forum, not a Master's Dissertation. eom uppityperson Feb 2013 #395

You are so right. Our vet says most problems are blamed on appleannie1 Feb 2013 #57

That's very well put! truebluegreen Feb 2013 #59

That's true. Anecdotal evidence: Us. JanMichael Feb 2013 #103

Mine, too. And that's what I've read. But I have a dog... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #151

I've been hearing that argument for years yet.... retired rooster Feb 2013 #62

Don't see anything in your response about their owners. truebluegreen Feb 2013 #76

Owners are the issue Aerows Feb 2013 #248

So now it's "pit bull type dogs"? What the hell does that mean? Recursion Feb 2013 #179

A "Pit Bull type dog" is anything with 4 legs & a tail that the media wants you to be afraid of. baldguy Feb 2013 #189

Bingo Drale Feb 2013 #201

I'll note that I had a massive Doberman Aerows Feb 2013 #249

Bullshit. baldguy Feb 2013 #251

Pit bulls are not "pain intolerant" or even "pain tolerant", that is a myth. uppityperson Feb 2013 #298

Uh Aerows Feb 2013 #371

You wrote "they are pain intolerant". uppityperson Feb 2013 #373

So they just fly around on their own, you think? Scootaloo Feb 2013 #228

The problem is that they're all jaw Warpy Feb 2013 #379

Deaths by dogs > Pit bulls 71 %. Your argument is exactly the same as "guns don't kill people" KittyWampus Feb 2013 #70

Who owns pit bulls? truebluegreen Feb 2013 #77

Who owns guns? The analogy is exact. Pit Bulls were intentionally bred to be killers. KittyWampus Feb 2013 #78

The analogy IS exact. randome Feb 2013 #125

The analogy CAN'T be exact. Dogs are living creatures with their own thoughts and instincts... Moonwalk Feb 2013 #196

Your wrong Drale Feb 2013 #202

Yeah, you're right. It does happen in some locations. randome Feb 2013 #210

BSLs are designed precisely to take away peoples pets. baldguy Feb 2013 #343

Pit bulls have never been bred to kill people, that I've heard. Where did you hear that? Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #134

When I had to put my Black Lab down because of old age, I asked the vet to .... spin Feb 2013 #194

The problem with that is...lots of injuries are blamed on "pit bulls" that aren't actually pit bulls Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #133

Because hysterias like this make witnesses identify every dog as a "Pit Bull" Recursion Feb 2013 #174

Propaganda from a biased anti-Pit Bull web site. baldguy Feb 2013 #207

Statically speaking... defacto7 Feb 2013 #336

And such "statistics" are bullshit. baldguy Feb 2013 #339

Thank you for your kind reminder to read the OP defacto7 Feb 2013 #361

Your link doesnot support your thesis. baldguy Feb 2013 #363

Nope, I was very clear. defacto7 Feb 2013 #365

I'm not suprised that you can't provide supporting documentation for your misguided ideas. baldguy Feb 2013 #377

From YOUR link... Nine Feb 2013 #386

If you don't provide the full context, it's for sure "out of context". baldguy Feb 2013 #388

Heh. Now you say there are "problems with this report" - a report you yourself introduced! Nine Feb 2013 #389

You "don't dispute" this, you "don't dispute" that & "don't dispute" this other thing - baldguy Feb 2013 #390

Sorry to make things difficult for you Nine Feb 2013 #391

So, the SPCA, Michigan State University, the ABA, the National Canine Research Council, baldguy Feb 2013 #400

er, no, that's not what a strawman argument is Nine Feb 2013 #401

That's what you're arguing against: scientific peer-reviewed research. baldguy Feb 2013 #402

There may be no bade dogs DBoon Feb 2013 #135

I call bullshit -- and here is one example of why . . . markpkessinger Feb 2013 #238

That's a very dangerous situation and animal. Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #250

I agree -- and very worrisome! n/t markpkessinger Feb 2013 #334

I have a boxer/ rottie pet. He's like another child. He will bark like an idiot if glowing Feb 2013 #2

i thought it was just my female boxer /rottie mix was the only one... madrchsod Feb 2013 #14

You are right about that one. His bark is crazy sounding, no one would bother glowing Feb 2013 #43

Yeah, I honestly just think they are happier after they are "fixed". LisaLynne Feb 2013 #37

less testosterone is a good thing for many male dogs, and if you don't fix a female, you will be glowing Feb 2013 #53

I have a male and female, both fixed. He tries to mount her sometimes. She thinks it's a game. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #153

Our fixed male tries to mount one of our female's head! sweetloukillbot Feb 2013 #175

That made me chuckle. That's pretty weird. But whatever floats his boat. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #198

You have a mutt. Just saying. Sounds like a sweetie pie! KittyWampus Feb 2013 #55

He came from a pure boxer and a pure rottweiler used for breeding. glowing Feb 2013 #63

how do you know... actslikeacarrot Feb 2013 #60

Its being responsible. And they are fully functional without these bits and parts. glowing Feb 2013 #68

i know. actslikeacarrot Feb 2013 #75

Really? blueamy66 Feb 2013 #69

I'm not trying to make you feel bad. actslikeacarrot Feb 2013 #74

And for their puppies' inconvenience, when they are ion the pound. blueamy66 Feb 2013 #90

Go to a city animal OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #88

They don't "chop off" the balls. They snip the bag... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #154

They are happier when they don't have roody Feb 2013 #215

I have a old Tien1985 Feb 2013 #3

I've read that the aggressiveness can start at about two years old. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #155

I am a firm believer Tien1985 Feb 2013 #162

Wow, you sound so responsible! Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #200

I've heard Tien1985 Feb 2013 #222

We adopted a 2-year old pit mix YarnAddict Feb 2013 #261

They do have dogs to Tien1985 Feb 2013 #264

I wish for the best for her YarnAddict Feb 2013 #269

Has anyone considered what might happen thucythucy Feb 2013 #271

I hadn't even considered that! YarnAddict Feb 2013 #272

You might want to run this possibility by thucythucy Feb 2013 #273

I will talk to her ASAP YarnAddict Feb 2013 #274

Welcome to DU! Recursion Feb 2013 #279

It's interesting that the attacks don't seem related thucythucy Feb 2013 #280

Here is the link to the Pets forum/group on DU. Come on over. uppityperson Feb 2013 #291

I Remember When I Was Younger Being Taught... dballance Feb 2013 #277

I'm far from being an expert YarnAddict Feb 2013 #313

Here's a picture of her YarnAddict Feb 2013 #318

You answered your own question in your original post. baldguy Feb 2013 #341

Huh. Your beloved, well-treated, seemingly wonderful pit suddenly attacked. Nine Feb 2013 #387

Welllllll...... onlyadream Feb 2013 #4

What's your point? n/t theaocp Feb 2013 #5

See post 1 rosesaylavee Feb 2013 #6

When I was a kid my mother's Silky Terrier did the same thing. baldguy Feb 2013 #7

Probably not, Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #27

Exactly - case by case basis OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #114

Yep... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #132

I agree OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #168

Had an extremely powerful Doberman Aerows Feb 2013 #369

Hey there... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #384

Exactly LOL Aerows Feb 2013 #403

No, you were not wrong. But with a rescue dog, special care needs to be taken. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #137

My brother had to have his nose rebuilt after a black lab acosted him while being pet. They Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #184

Your friends gave reprieve to a psychologically damaged animal Scootaloo Feb 2013 #229

A Doberman? Aerows Feb 2013 #376

Looked straight-up doberman; no papers though Scootaloo Feb 2013 #378

"...parents often recoil in horror when they spot one of these animals." secondvariety Feb 2013 #8

A pit mix is a mutt. It's not a pit bull. KittyWampus Feb 2013 #56

"A pitmix is a mutt." secondvariety Feb 2013 #89

If my pit mix bites someone, then it will be called a full pit bull. Lucky Luciano Feb 2013 #115

Since what you have is a mutt, how would they identify her as a pit mix? Is that what you say she Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #140

The police there have flexibility to determine. Lucky Luciano Feb 2013 #216

Oh, I see. How awful some reacted to your pet that way. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #219

I knew someone who worked at a vet Lordquinton Feb 2013 #239

I rescued a pit 'bait dog'... ColesCountyDem Feb 2013 #9

I don't have a pit mzteris Feb 2013 #112

you did a good thing. liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #123

doesn't this call for some kind of action? Enrique Feb 2013 #10

There are hundreds of OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #156

Why fight at all? randome Feb 2013 #159

Because OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #166

It's not a hard concept to grasp. randome Feb 2013 #170

There is no easy answer here OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #186

My pitbull Odie wouldn't hurt anyone sorefeet Feb 2013 #11

it would be interesting to read any primary sources from over a century ago datasuspect Feb 2013 #12

Here you go... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #35

didn't know that datasuspect Feb 2013 #93

LOL n/t Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #127

Actual historical analysis posted below. Pit bulls were NEVER nanny dogs. They were bred to fight. KittyWampus Feb 2013 #71

You are incorrect. They were called nanny dogs. The famous RCA dog? A pit bull. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #141

That famous RCA dog was named "Nipper" because he liked to bite JanMichael Feb 2013 #255

My ex's Springer Spaniel bit a neighbor boy, and he growled & barked at me.... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #260

Your Springer Spaniel neighbor Aerows Feb 2013 #372

I don't know where you get your info, but pits don't have pain intolerance, and their jaws Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #404

Pit bulls are more aggressive. Why does anyone want to defend that? randome Feb 2013 #13

Ignorant post. Lucky Luciano Feb 2013 #16

Anecdotal evidence proves nothing. randome Feb 2013 #18

This deserves a good face palm and a fuck off. Lucky Luciano Feb 2013 #21

No one is trying to take that away from you. randome Feb 2013 #24

The article linked in the OP grntuscarora Feb 2013 #34

I read it now. Laboratory setting testing doesn't change much. randome Feb 2013 #39

I would never turn by back on a strange dog, either. grntuscarora Feb 2013 #41

I hear you. randome Feb 2013 #47

Ok OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #109

I agree that is preferable. randome Feb 2013 #122

Some serious OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #182

Nothing but agreement there! randome Feb 2013 #183

Yet anecdotal evidence is your proof also. Can't have it both ways. uppityperson Feb 2013 #350

Your dog WAS A MUTT. Why is that so hard to grasp. She was categorically NOT A PITT BULL. KittyWampus Feb 2013 #72

Says who? secondvariety Feb 2013 #100

A mutt? Really? OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #206

I'm so sorry OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #211

Thank you do much. Lucky Luciano Feb 2013 #217

You're welcome OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #227

No, they aren't. They are what they are raised to be. glowing Feb 2013 #20

More anecdotal evidence. Look at the statistics below. randome Feb 2013 #22

The world secondvariety Feb 2013 #29

That's probably true. randome Feb 2013 #30

The problem is that any large Molosser that attacks anyone gets called a "pit bull" by witnesses Recursion Feb 2013 #169

"pit bull type dogs" not pit bulls. uppityperson Feb 2013 #351

How often do you read about a chihuahua killing a kid? cynatnite Feb 2013 #33

Then thats your choice, but placing a black mark on these dogs is not exactly fair. glowing Feb 2013 #48

Do you really think dogs care about a 'black mark' on their reputations? randome Feb 2013 #54

When it leaves them homeless or on the kill list, yeah, I think it effects them. glowing Feb 2013 #61

I'm not the one that put the black mark on them. The deaths left in their wake did that. n/t cynatnite Feb 2013 #165

I don't know about that. I have a Chihuahua RebelOne Feb 2013 #120

Ban any dog that weighs more than 5 lbs. Gotcha. uppityperson Feb 2013 #300

little yappy dogs don't kill people. Oh, and a rottie/boxer is a mutt. A MUTT. KittyWampus Feb 2013 #79

Ok, what do you think most pitt and rottie mixes are? They get tagged with a "brand". glowing Feb 2013 #86

How do you measure aggressiveness? MadHound Feb 2013 #45

Facts are... bvar22 Feb 2013 #80

Pit bull hysteria, you've got it. MadHound Feb 2013 #99

Your response does NOT refute anything that I posted. bvar22 Feb 2013 #105

Sure it does, you just want to hang on to your precious pit bull hysteria. MadHound Feb 2013 #107

Its not ME desperatly clinging to a delusion. bvar22 Feb 2013 #218

Do you hear of death by Pomeranian? MadHound Feb 2013 #224

Any adult Molosser breed can crush a child's skull with its bite Recursion Feb 2013 #173

I didn't say ANYTHING about banning dogs. bvar22 Feb 2013 #286

Then your issue is with large molossers, not pit bulls per se Recursion Feb 2013 #171

Worse, Assault weapon bans have grandfather clauses Lordquinton Feb 2013 #243

Another DUer for banning all dogs of a certain size, but not breed. uppityperson Feb 2013 #352

And THAT is a complete fabrication. bvar22 Feb 2013 #358

So what are you saying? That all big dogs are dangerous? Or more dangerous than smaller dogs? uppityperson Feb 2013 #362

Because... bvar22 Feb 2013 #394

I don't think that's true, objectively speaking. They can be made to be aggressive, Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #142

Factually incorrect. Try again. flvegan Feb 2013 #234

My American Pit "Rocky" raidert05 Feb 2013 #15

Our chihuahua is a baby and wouldn't hurt a fly.... cynatnite Feb 2013 #36

Your probably right raidert05 Feb 2013 #84

We had a poodle that hated my husband... cynatnite Feb 2013 #167

Chihuahuas can be feisty, by nature. But of course, if they bite you, it doesn't kill you. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #143

That may have been true then laundry_queen Feb 2013 #17

careful breeding that may have been in place back then no longer exists Corgigal Feb 2013 #278

Jet and me would disagree about the wonderfulness of pitbulls KG Feb 2013 #19

how is he doing? JanMichael Feb 2013 #104

he's forgotten I think. I haven't tho. KG Feb 2013 #118

Not forgotten by me War Horse Feb 2013 #160

Is that a minpin? Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #145

the worlds greatest min-pin. KG Feb 2013 #164

Well, of course! That goes w/o saying! nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #199

I pull my kids close when they are in striking range of any dog that looks like it could kill them alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #23

The underlying problem with a lot of dogs, SheilaT Feb 2013 #25

Amen! You are so right. KitSileya Feb 2013 #284

It wasn't the media that did it. aandegoons Feb 2013 #26

Excuse me, but the media is, and has been, a large part of the problem. MadHound Feb 2013 #49

2012 38 fatal us dog attacks. aandegoons Feb 2013 #110

First of all, some perspective for you MadHound Feb 2013 #192

And you look exactly like some gun nut. aandegoons Feb 2013 #262

What is it with you pit haters, trying to link pits with guns, MadHound Feb 2013 #263

I love pitbulls and have met quite a number of them that are fine animals. aandegoons Feb 2013 #406

Wow, that is a non-sequitor, MadHound Feb 2013 #407

Why'd the breeders do it? jeff47 Feb 2013 #366

�vicious dog ownership may be a simple marker of broader social deviance.� yardwork Feb 2013 #28

The only thing about the pitbulls I've been around is that you can get a little bruised up playing brewens Feb 2013 #31

the eternal problem of going to dog parks. xchrom Feb 2013 #38

"assault dogs" krispos42 Feb 2013 #32

In all my years of being around all types of dawgs MynameisBlarney Feb 2013 #40

My wife and I found a stray pit last year sweetloukillbot Feb 2013 #190

Thank the Goddess Helen Reddy Feb 2013 #44

"Nanny Dog? Not so much." A dude bothers to do actual research on the Nanny Dog claim alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #50

Thanks so much. I don't demonize any breed but do realize the reality of dog breeding KittyWampus Feb 2013 #64

No obvious bias there. Occulus Feb 2013 #65

No doubt the guy is anti-pit alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #66

LOL! It's got a lot of actual historical sources. It was highly educational with REAL information. KittyWampus Feb 2013 #82

he supports his claims with primary sources. datasuspect Feb 2013 #95

What a laughingly biased website, MadHound Feb 2013 #96

I'd make an example of you now flvegan Feb 2013 #235

Any dog can snap and I would never take a chance on a pit bull never snapping. MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #51

Horses injure & kill more people each year than Pit Bulls. baldguy Feb 2013 #73

Cars kill and injure more people each year than Pit Bulls. Guns kill more people than Pit Bulls. KittyWampus Feb 2013 #81

Magnificent response! Orrex Feb 2013 #349

You should try to read some of the actual OP and the linked article baldguy Feb 2013 #353

the opening post is absolute nonsense. Pit Bulls were NEVER "nanny dogs". KittyWampus Feb 2013 #392

Except that they were. baldguy Feb 2013 #399

Wow, the further I read into this thread, the numbers go up and up and up uppityperson Feb 2013 #354

So what? MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #85

No one ever talks about banning horses. baldguy Feb 2013 #97

So if the dangers of one animal is ignored, the dangers of all animals should be? MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #102

No, it means that animals should be properly trained & rerspected - then they won't be dangerous. baldguy Feb 2013 #119

I'll tell that to my neighbor, whose leashed dachshund was attacked by another neighor's MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #121

I'll tell you about the time my leashed Pit Bull was attacked by a neighbor's Standard Poodle. baldguy Feb 2013 #130

Since I know someone who was attacked by a pitbull MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #136

I hope your neighbor's Dachound never turns on you. Lordquinton Feb 2013 #245

Since I was attacked by a St Bernard, I will continue to be careful around all dogs. uppityperson Feb 2013 #355

LOL OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #307

I brought her over to my sister's Super Bowl party, and she had an, um..."incident". baldguy Feb 2013 #340

so the media is simply making up the statistics . . . I see DrDan Feb 2013 #52

They are being trained as service dogs at Villalobos appleannie1 Feb 2013 #58

I've seen the results of several dog attacks before. bobclark86 Feb 2013 #67

Famous Last Words of Pit Bull Owners: bvar22 Feb 2013 #83

I gotta take issue with this insistence. The "media" didn't do anything but report on MADem Feb 2013 #87

really? shanti Feb 2013 #91

Meh, if I think I could devote the time necessary to train/socialize one... Left2Tackle Feb 2013 #94

I gave pit bulls the benefit of the doubt until 4 weeks ago. Hatchling Feb 2013 #98

A few weeks ago XemaSab Feb 2013 #101

I used to raise and breed Saint Bernards. Hatchling Feb 2013 #282

I find it interesting OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #106

Pete from Our Gang was a pit bull. appleannie1 Feb 2013 #111

Um, why do you think they had to keep on replacing the kids? Bucky Feb 2013 #281

Because like all kids, they grew older. Even the dog was replaced. appleannie1 Feb 2013 #283

A sweet "nanny dog" savagely dismantled our family pet whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #113

Did you know the family and the dog? Was it a full breed? Did you sue them? Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #148

We share a tall fence at our backyards whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #157

Oh, how horrible. He got out of his yard into yours? How horrible. Your poor dog... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #203

You sound like a great owner whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #221

Thanks for writing this; JanMichael Feb 2013 #259

That Bolt dog is a cutie. You sound like a good owner, too! Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #265

Thanks for writing that! You are too kind...but, the "Dog Whisperer" JanMichael Feb 2013 #319

pit bull timdog44 Feb 2013 #116

A great deal of training and abuse goes into making a dog - any dog - into a killer. baldguy Feb 2013 #129

You said "I don't trust any dog." So why are you posting to a dog thread... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #149

to honeycomb timdog44 Feb 2013 #177

It's simple! You hate flaming dogs! randome Feb 2013 #180

While I'm no huge fan of guns OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #161

Emotions always get heated when this comes up War Horse Feb 2013 #117

Sometimes it is the circumstances more than the dog. hollysmom Feb 2013 #242

small dogs attack more often than big dogs liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #124

How often do they kill? whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #126

this is going to be one of those nasty threads where the only thing that liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #131

I insulted your argument whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #139

do they inflict as much damage? DrDan Feb 2013 #144

That's true. I love all dogs, but if you own a large dog, it's a big responsibility... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #146

I read this a long time ago. It's not just the media, though, that did this to the pitbull. It's the Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #128

Pit bulls don't have some magical death bite Recursion Feb 2013 #185

I agree with you there. People tend to call any nondescript dog that bites a "pit." nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #197

Little Rascals: Pete was a pit bull. no_hypocrisy Feb 2013 #138

said no sane person ever... JCMach1 Feb 2013 #147

They can't have been "responsible owners" if they weren't on a leash. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #150

Rural area in the late 1970's... I was a child JCMach1 Feb 2013 #237

Really? Pit Bulls? Am Staffs or APBTs? Recursion Feb 2013 #172

Fine. Any dog that can fire more than 7 rounds at a time should be banned. randome Feb 2013 #176

OK, we're in agreement there! (nt) Recursion Feb 2013 #178

Some don't need 7 rounds guardian Feb 2013 #385

That's hard. Geez I don't know. The 2nd pic? They're called devil dogs... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #252

UTTER BULLSHIT. PROPAGANDA. Nine Feb 2013 #152

Here's some evidence for you, that unlike yours, is not bullshit propaganda. MadHound Feb 2013 #193

More propaganda. The ATTS is a sham. Nine Feb 2013 #204

Hmm, who to believe, who to believe, MadHound Feb 2013 #205

Believe the statistics. Nine Feb 2013 #213

Your attempt to link pit bull ownership to gun ownership is laughable, MadHound Feb 2013 #223

also as the article states Drale Feb 2013 #214

I agree they are more dangerous than many other dogs, but the owners aren't Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #253

Other great ideas that used to be considered perfect thinking. 99Forever Feb 2013 #158

My pittbull sleeps with my 6 yr old Catherina Feb 2013 #163

Oh, dear. That's not a good idea, even if the dog is stable.... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #256

Oh geez, MadHound Feb 2013 #258

I wasn't talking about the breed, or about adults. Read my post again.... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #266

Again, oh geez. MadHound Feb 2013 #275

why risk even a small chance? ecstatic Feb 2013 #310

Well if you are that concerned about your children, MadHound Feb 2013 #315

I'm hijacking this thread. Anyone makes another post and it's curtains for fido! randome Feb 2013 #181

It's coitains for you, Rocky...coitains. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #257

to randome timdog44 Feb 2013 #187

Aw, hell, I couldn't shoot a dog. You called my bluff. randome Feb 2013 #188

Trouble is, the dog haters here *would* shoot the dog without batting an eye. baldguy Feb 2013 #209

How many people did the "nanny dog" kill last year? Nine Feb 2013 #212

Only if you actually believe "pit bull" identifications are accurate Recursion Feb 2013 #231

What dogs do you think are being mistaken for pit bulls? Nine Feb 2013 #289

I've seen cops and reporters identify a ton of different Molossers as "pit bulls" Recursion Feb 2013 #290

Show me cases where a dog who killed someone was misidentified. (nt) Nine Feb 2013 #294

Take the test, can you identify the pit bull? MadHound Feb 2013 #297

Here is a debunking of that test. Nine Feb 2013 #312

Oh geez, not that POS website again. MadHound Feb 2013 #316

So basically OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #232

I think the breed has been damaged by gangs and others Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #267

I generally love alternet, but this article is suspect. Quantess Feb 2013 #220

Message auto-removed jayfox122 Feb 2013 #225

So much stupid in this thread. flvegan Feb 2013 #226

+100 fucking thousand! It's astounding to see the ignorance Catherina Feb 2013 #397

I had the best Amstaffs Sierra89 Feb 2013 #241

" It's up to responsible owners to train, care for and socialize our bullies properly" Catherina Feb 2013 #398

..... DainBramaged Feb 2013 #246

Rachael Ray's Pit Bull Isaboo Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #268

Rescued Pit Bull Saves Owner�s Life xchrom Feb 2013 #270

That's a wonderful story. But it doesn't negate the negatives of the breed. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #285

ok, enjoy your pitt bulls, but for God's sake ecstatic Feb 2013 #309

By the way, here's a "nanny alligator." Nine Feb 2013 #314

Yeah, but did the AKC recommend alligators as the best dog for families for decades? MadHound Feb 2013 #317

You keep asserting that without backing it up. Nine Feb 2013 #320

Contact the AKC, they will show you the paperwork, MadHound Feb 2013 #321

Ha ha! Did they show you paperwork? Nine Feb 2013 #323

You can find out for yourself, contact the AKC. MadHound Feb 2013 #325

I'm not the author. Nine Feb 2013 #329

LOL, this coming from the poster who is using a bullshit biased blog, MadHound Feb 2013 #322

Biased? Sure, in the sense that it takes a stance. Nine Feb 2013 #326

the AKC is an abomination only interested in money. They don't give a crap about dogs or humans. KittyWampus Feb 2013 #393

Okay, you're going to have to tell us what search you used to find this. randome Feb 2013 #328

It's from that "bullshit biased" site MadHound hates. :) Nine Feb 2013 #330

"Mommy, can I come in now?" randome Feb 2013 #332

:D nt Nine Feb 2013 #335

Now they're BRED for AGGRESSION. nt valerief Feb 2013 #327

Our Pit Bull Mix Smilo Feb 2013 #331

The problem is not that pits are mean dogs. Nine Feb 2013 #337

That is true about any dog. Any dog. uppityperson Feb 2013 #345

Read the fucking article linked in the OP. baldguy Feb 2013 #346

After reading this thread, I'm glad to be a diehard cat person. Arugula Latte Feb 2013 #342

Which of these dogs have any pit bull in them? uppityperson Feb 2013 #357

And of course all this uninformed hysteria about Pit Bulls covers up one salient fact baldguy Feb 2013 #360

my experience Skittles Feb 2013 #382